Saw VI discussion thread

[Matt]

Its bound to happen, why not start talking?

Here's how I see it:

The only good way I can see this franchise ending while tying up loose strings is to have Hoffman fall from grace (and by grace I mean break the rules like Amanda did). Use the next movie to show his descent. He killed the one person who suspected him. John is dead and out of the way...Hoffman thinks he is untouchable. Like all serial killers, he feels he is God. Nothing is left to stop him. He becomes more and more sadistic with his killings. Throughout the movie we learn there are two Jigsaw killers operating and they appear to be independent. One is actually trying to teach lessons and giving his victims the opportunity to escape, as John did. The other is Hoffman who is just killing people like Amanda did and as he did to Seth. Throughout the movie we are led to believe the second Jigsaw is Jill. As Hoffman comes across more and more clues like "I know who you are," he becomes more and more paranoid of Jill and decides to kill her. The climax could be him killing Jill. However right afterwards, as he tries to leave the scene, he is attacked and knocked out....the ending can be Hoffman waking up in a trap. He ultimately perishes as a figure wearing the pig mask watches. After he dies, the figure walks off, and the camera pans down to him walking with a cane and an artificial foot, and that could be how the franchise ends.

What are your ideas, hopes, and fears about the supposedly final installment?

 

[CashforStash]

I yet have to watch Saw IV, and Saw V

 

[Symbiotic]

I like Matt's idea. Honestly, if

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Jill

turns out to be a part of this, then . Surely the filmmakers know that'd be too obvious.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I have yet to watch Saw II, III, IV, and will most likely not watch V, or VI, or VII...

 

[bullets]

I'd like to see a Detective actually outsmart the killer . Jill could put a stop to the madness by helping set up Hoffman. The really should end this with part 6 .

 

[thejon93]

...Okay, honestly... Is this crap still worth talking about?... Honestly. You think they're actually going to take it among themselves to try and make a "movie" out of this?

 

[bullets]

It never hurts to talk about it.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Ah it's nice to see the troll haters still come into a thread of a film they supposedly hate. But honestly where do I want the last film to go? I definitely don't want them to make it out to be that Jill was involved the entire time.

That concept or "twist" is WAY too obvious and it would be a disappointing end to the series.

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I remember one person on the SAW forum had a great idea on how to end the sixth film. His/her twist involved Strahm trying to be an apprentice and trapping Hoffman(killing him as well). Only for him to be locked in a room with an unconcious Jill and all of a sudden he finds a tape recorder. The recorder starts playing a familiar voice and it ends with the figure removing the pig mask and revealing Dr. Gordon. It would show flashbacks of Gordon cutting his foot off, Jigsaw keeping him locked away and so forth. It was a very, very well thought out theory and it's hard for me to explain because it's been a while since I've read it.

 

[Nirvana]

I still need to check out Saw V. Probably tomorrow or Monday.

 

[StrainedEyes]

...Okay, honestly... Is this crap still worth talking about?... Honestly. You think they're actually going to take it among themselves to try and make a "movie" out of this?

It's tradition.

The Saw movies are what they are. Get over it.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

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I've figured it out. Of course I could be wrong, but I don't think I am in this case.

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SAW III and IV were happening at the same time obviously, so I imagine V is taking place immediately after the events of SAW IV. Hoffman becomes paranoid that his his secret of being Jigsaw's apprentice is out and he's trying to eliminate all threats. Well when you think about it, he wouldn't have had time to go to the morgue where Jigsaw's autopsy was happening.

So he's busy trying to eliminate any threats to his secret and once he's done that he feels he has escaped. Since he is "the last man standing" it makes sense with the tape Jigsaw left. "Are you there detective? If so it's probably because you are the last man standing. Then perhaps you will succeed where the others have failed."

"By hearing this tape some will assume that this is over, but I am still among you. You think it's over just because I am dead. It's not over. The games have just begun.

I'm thinking the autopsy scene will be the opener of SAW VI.

 

[Eelectro 2]

the only people left alive that we know for SURE for part 6 are hoffman, jill, and the captain. jill will come to the captain because he isnt' even aware of her getting that box (i guess) and get hoffman caught. i highly doubt gordon will be involved, but i would like to hear that he died if he did. if he isnt' brought into part 6 tho, then he's dead too so either way i'm fine

 

[LastSunrise1981]

As I said before Gordon hasn't been accounted for at all. He's still missing and we know for sure his body hasn't been found. Now I am not going to get my hopes up for a Gordon return, but this is something to think about.

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The five test subjects were tied together due to the burning of an abandoned building/house that had eight people in it. The only abandoned building/house I could think of was the house in SAW II. When Strahm followed Hoffman to the house I recognized that the inside was that from SAW I and II. They said eight people were living in that house and I broke it down when I thought about it.

The eight people were the test subjects. You had Obi, Laura, Xavier, Addison, Gus, Jonas, Adam, and Zepp. Since Amanda was waiting for Eric and since Daniel was in the safe you have to take them out of the scenario. So the eight people were those who were already dead and they covered it up so no one would know about it. None of those confirmed that Gordon's body was found and if you noticed you saw a trail of blood in the hallway. Now where did that blood come from? That was a lot of blood to come from someone like Eric who just crushed his foot. So again, did Gordon get out? Did Jigsaw take Gordon to another location in the house and let him bleed out? But if that was the case wouldn't they have found his body?

Just something to think about.

 

[Jokerthug]

Shawnee Smith was not available for the filming of SaW 5, so hopefully they will include a few scenes of back story with Jigsaw, Amanda, and Hoffman in SaW 6 if she is availble for filming.

I think the series should end with 6. The writers better pull something amazing out of there asses. Hopefully someone that has been working with the series thus far has stored away some perfect plot ideas for the final movie. I would like to feel at the end of SaW 6 how I did after seeing the original SaW and that is going to be near impossible to do.

Only bad thing about going into SaW 6 is that there really isn't any one to cheer for anymore. I loved Detective Matthews character, and I didn't care for Strahm as much in saw 4, but really loved his character in saw 5, I even loved watching Rigg's character. I really hate Hoffman. Jigsaw is a character you can love and adore in a way. I hope they are not trying to get us to love Hoffman as a character, becuase it just isn't happening for me. I even had a notion that Detective Tapps could have lived past the first film since he has shot and then we never heard what happened to him, but that was ruined in SaW 5 when they confirmed he died by showing his picture. Would have been fricking badass if Tapps would have come back in SaW 6 to take down Hoffman! There just isn't anyone left to invest my interest in, and that worries me for saw 6. I think they should take a year off and come up with a supreme script and organize it so they can get as many actors as possible involved.

 

[Legion]

As I said before Gordon hasn't been accounted for at all. He's still missing and we know for sure his body hasn't been found. Now I am not going to get my hopes up for a Gordon return, but this is something to think about.

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The five test subjects were tied together due to the burning of an abandoned building/house that had eight people in it. The only abandoned building/house I could think of was the house in SAW II. When Strahm followed Hoffman to the house I recognized that the inside was that from SAW I and II. They said eight people were living in that house and I broke it down when I thought about it.

The eight people were the test subjects. You had Obi, Laura, Xavier, Addison, Gus, Jonas, Adam, and Zepp. Since Amanda was waiting for Eric and since Daniel was in the safe you have to take them out of the scenario. So the eight people were those who were already dead and they covered it up so no one would know about it. None of those confirmed that Gordon's body was found and if you noticed you saw a trail of blood in the hallway. Now where did that blood come from? That was a lot of blood to come from someone like Eric who just crushed his foot. So again, did Gordon get out? Did Jigsaw take Gordon to another location in the house and let him bleed out? But if that was the case wouldn't they have found his body?

Just something to think about.

I don't think Gordon got out. If I remember correctly Zepp came down a ladder to get to the room they were being held in. Gordon lost alot of blood so I doubt he had the strength to climb up with only one foot. He failed to cut off his foot and kill Adam before time was up, I doubt he would have gotten any assistance from Jigsaw even if he had won. Jigsaw probably disposed of the body in an incinerator or something.

So if he came back in a sequel I think it would be pretty lame.

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Jigsaw even stated in Saw V that anyone who passes one of his tests is instantly cured. Gordon didn't pass his test so he didn't obtain any kind of enlightenment and would have killed Jigsaw if he had the opportunity.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I don't think Gordon got out. If I remember correctly Zepp came down a ladder to get to the room they were being held in. Gordon lost alot of blood so I doubt he had the strength to climb up with only one foot. He failed to cut off his foot and kill Adam before time was up, I doubt he would have gotten any assistance from Jigsaw even if he had won. Jigsaw probably disposed of the body in an incinerator or something.

So if he came back in a sequel I think it would be pretty lame.

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Jigsaw even stated in Saw V that anyone who passes one of his tests is instantly cured. Gordon didn't pass his test so he didn't obtain any kind of enlightenment and would have killed Jigsaw if he had the opportunity.

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You could be right and he did lose a lot of blood. But I doubt Jigsaw would've gotten rid of the body like that. I mean he left Adam, Zepp, and Xavier where they were in the bathroom. But his statement of instantly rehabilitated doesn't hold true since Amanda was still unstable and ended up dying. I can imagine Jigsaw probably putting Gordon in another room or helping him out while saving him for another test. But as I said, Jigsaw has betrayed his own rules to an extent. Eric got out of the bathroom even after he failed his test and that should've counted as him passing, regardless of what he did to Amanda afterwards, he still got out of the bathroom and reacted on instinct when it came to his son.

 

[Legion]

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You could be right and he did lose a lot of blood. But I doubt Jigsaw would've gotten rid of the body like that. I mean he left Adam, Zepp, and Xavier where they were in the bathroom. But his statement of instantly rehabilitated doesn't hold true since Amanda was still unstable and ended up dying. I can imagine Jigsaw probably putting Gordon in another room or helping him out while saving him for another test. But as I said, Jigsaw has betrayed his own rules to an extent. Eric got out of the bathroom even after he failed his test and that should've counted as him passing, regardless of what he did to Amanda afterwards, he still got out of the bathroom and reacted on instinct when it came to his son.

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Well I don't think we need to know how exactly he got rid of Gordon's body. As for the test, what I'm trying to point out is that he didn't see any light or revelation that would make him become an apprenctice of Jigsaw.

As for him being set up for another trap, that's possible but I don't think there would be much of a point. At the end of Saw he believes his family is dead and his pretty much ready to die for them, although he was alittle too late. So if he was set up in another trap I don't think he would have much will to live. It would be like Saw IV revisited, just for some hype, watch a favorite character get tortured all over again. I just don't want it to go there.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

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Fair enough. The reason I bring it up is the makers of SAW kind of started the speculation on their own. You have the limping figure in SAW II who surgically placed a key behind Michael's eye and stitched it up nicely, you have all of Jigsaw's medical supplies in SAW III, the constant mentioning of Gordon or referencing his name, and the trap in SAW IV where Rex and Morgan have steel rods through their vital arteries. All of which should hold some water in terms of him being alive or an apprentice. Rumor has it that the upcoming SAW video game will show what happened to him.

But I do agree that he probably wouldn't have much will to live. If he's dead I imagine Jigsaw saw him on the way out and gave him another test, which possibly revolved around him either getting out of the basement or whatever, in which Gordon probably gave up and either committed suicide or just bled out.

 

[Legion]

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Fair enough. The reason I bring it up is the makers of SAW kind of started the speculation on their own. You have the limping figure in SAW II who surgically placed a key behind Michael's eye and stitched it up nicely, you have all of Jigsaw's medical supplies in SAW III, the constant mentioning of Gordon or referencing his name, and the trap in SAW IV where Rex and Morgan have steel rods through their vital arteries. All of which should hold some water in terms of him being alive or an apprentice. Rumor has it that the upcoming SAW video game will show what happened to him.

But I do agree that he probably wouldn't have much will to live. If he's dead I imagine Jigsaw saw him on the way out and gave him another test, which possibly revolved around him either getting out of the basement or whatever, in which Gordon probably gave up and either committed suicide or just bled out.

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I'll have to take another look at the limping figure. Although I think it was just because John was supposed to be so weak at the time. Also in Saw 1, Jigsaw planted a key in that guy as part of Amanda's test so I think he could do the same for someone else. He also poisoned Zepp and had an antidote. Really all of his plans and traps are unreal. The shackle and hack saw from the first movie was probably the most realistic and compelling of all the traps.

I think in order for Saw VI to be a success they will have to show that Jigsaw is still the mastermind even after death, and that Hoffman is still a pawn in one of his games. I think John was interested in more than just his copycat trap when he was gathering information on him. Maybe he is somehow connected to his origin or his wife's past?

 

[LastSunrise1981]

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I'll have to take another look at the limping figure. Although I think it was just because John was supposed to be so weak at the time. Also in Saw 1, Jigsaw planted a key in that guy as part of Amanda's test so I think he could do the same for someone else. He also poisoned Zepp and had an antidote. Really all of his plans and traps are unreal. The shackle and hack saw from the first movie was probably the most realistic and compelling of all the traps.

I think in order for Saw VI to be a success they will have to show that Jigsaw is still the mastermind even after death, and that Hoffman is still a pawn in one of his games. I think John was interested in more than just his copycat trap when he was gathering information on him. Maybe he is somehow connected to his origin or his wife's past?

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Jigsaw did have a little bit of a limp at the end of SAW I. However, I chalked that up to him being a state of paralysis for so long that it took him a while to regain feeling in his body. But the reason I mentioned SAW II is if you watch the figure at the begnning of the film, whoever it is limps very badly and they're limping on the leg that Dr. Gordon cut his foot from.

It takes a doctor to surgically place a key behind someone or into someone's eye and stitch it up nicely, it takes a doctor to be able to get Jigsaw's medical equipment without it looking suspicious, and it takes a doctor to be able to construct a trap of still rods going through two peoples vital arteries/organs without it killing them.

I'll show you the evidence I am talking about.

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Lawrence Gordon was a doctor and the man responsible with giving the diagnosis of cancer to John Kramer. Following his transformation into the serial killer known as Jigsaw, Kramer targeted Lawrence to be a victim in his 'game' due to an extra-marital affair with his medical student. Lawrence woke up, chained by his ankle to a pipe inside an industrial bathroom along with Adam Faulkner. Lawrence was tasked with killing Adam within a set time limit with failure. Gordon ultimately failed but escaped the trap by sawing off his foot and crawling out of the room. His fate is a mystery as he was never heard from again. It is a note however that he may still be alive as 8 people were mentioned in Saw V to have been killed in the warehouse, while in reality there were 10.(Gus, Obi, Jonas, Laura, Addison, Xavier, Zep Hindle, Adam Faulkner, Detective David Tapp, Dr. Gordon).

A special feature in the form of a farce documentary called "Piecing Together Jigsaw," available on the unrated edition of the first film, stated that his whereabouts are unknown as of one year after the first film's events. When Lawrence is mentioned in Saw III, Jigsaw said that he had been Lawrence's patient, and Lawrence had been his.

When Leigh Whannel asked Cary Elwes what he thought about his character's fate on the commentary for the Saw: Uncut Edition DVD, Elwes responded with, "Let's face it, guys. He's severed his whole leg off. The loss of blood alone, even with that pathetic tourniquet he made with his shirt. It's a wrap. He's not going to get two blocks." Also, Darren Lynn Bousman has said on the DVD commentaries for Saw IV that his intent was to leave Dr. Gordon's fate an unanswered question and let fans make up their own minds.

In Saw V it was revealed that Hoffman had set up Gordon as a suspect by placing his pen at Paul's crime scene. Also in Saw V, among the reports of other Jigsaw victims, a file on Lawrence Gordon can be seen on a shelf with them. It was also mentioned that eight people had died from from the warehouse (referring to the Saw and Saw II victims). To account there were actually 10 if you count Tapp and Gordon, which leaves the possibility that he may still be alive.

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(Look at Jigsaw's limp as he's leaving the bathroom.)

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(SAW II intro. Notice the figure is limping very badly as if he is dragging his foot.)

 

[GEO]

I really like these Gordon ideas.

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Not sure if this has already been mentioned. There's too much t read & catch up on. But does anyone think that the 5 burning building test subjects are related to the detective at the end, the one who was following Straham. And that he's the next test subject?

 

[Abstract]

Is there going to be a sixth? I thought I remember seeing somewhere that number 5 was the last of them. Maybe I imagined it . . .
I'll try and find a source.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I really like these Gordon ideas.

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Not sure if this has already been mentioned. There's too much t read & catch up on. But does anyone think that the 5 burning building test subjects are related to the detective at the end, the one who was following Straham. And that he's the next test subject?

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It's possible. When it comes to these films anything possible to transpire or to shock us, so there's absolutely no telling. But it's definitely something to think about. But drug addict said the guy disappeared and nothing happened, so who knows?

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Is there going to be a sixth? I thought I remember seeing somewhere that number 5 was the last of them. Maybe I imagined it . . .
I'll try and find a source.

No, there will be a sixth film. It was confirmed during the filming of the fifth film that there will be a sixth. Costas Mandylor and Tobin Bell signed up once again for the sixth film.

I do believe that SAW VI will be the last one though.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I do believe that they should bring SAW VI full circle and possibly have James Wan direct it. Don't get me wrong I love how David Hackl directed this film. It was very clear and he definitely knows how to direct.

But it would be nice to have James Wan return to SAW one more time, have Leigh Whannell(spelling?) write it again. But Leigh is still the executive producer, however, I was just thinking about it the other night after watching SAW V for the third time.