Saw VI discussion thread

[LastSunrise1981]

1. ehh, might as well drop that one if they haven't answered it by now they may never. I think they are just gonna leave it as is as its a good hot toic among fans and keeps ppl somewhat interested.
2. I wouldn't say Amanda killed Troy/Kerry as she was still taking Jiggs orders..Troy;was the drunk driver who killed Jeffs son..Kerry;because she was oppossed with the 'dead'...believe its all in Saw III.
3. Ya, Im not sure about the envelope and I guess we will find out in Saw VII
4. I don't forsee them hanging on that story arc at all,but ya never know.
5. I can't say she will or wont,but its always a possibility in these movies...

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-Now my take was the movie was done decently I guess I would say its on par with Saw V at least...They kindof used Saw III formula in the tests in ways(similar to jeffs imo). As always they did a good job of backtracking and tieing up loose ends..Though at times it did feel forced,especially with Jill's character...
The whole Jill-Hoffman parntership with the last set of tests felt kindof out of place imo. Did enjoy the extra Amanda stuff they added in made some of the stuff make a tad more sence(plus I really did the character).
I kindof enjoyed Hoffmans little situation at the end aka Amanda's mask and he was pretty smart to block the trap on the door...Makes ya wonder if he will survive and be tested somemore or left to rot in that cell...
I guess Jills gonna be the new jiggs now,if so I'm a tad disappointed as I always enjoy the twist endings(besides the test being for the mother/son) and this didn't have one.

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Timothy Young was the one who accidently killed Jeff's son. Timothy was the guy placed into The Rack. Jill will not be the new Jigsaw. Seeing as Hoffman knew about Amanda being involved in the loss of her and John's son, it was her way of getting revenge on him. It's safe to say she planned on Hoffman dying in the trap. The fact that he got out before it went off showed he had a survival instinct.

So I think Saw VII will take place two or three years time showing a disfigured Hoffman testing victims and planning revenge on Jill. You know he's going to want to kill her now.

 

[Matt]

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I don't think Amanda cared either way if Hoffman lived or died. She was simply testing him for John. It wasn't a personal thing. It was simply his test. Under Jigsaw's theory, he should have no desire for revenge as he will now appreciate life. Whether this works or not is yet to be seen, but I think John has a contingency plan in place to protect Jill from Hoffman. After all, he assured her before his death that he has an out for her

 

[LastSunrise1981]

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I don't think Amanda cared either way if Hoffman lived or died. She was simply testing him for John. It wasn't a personal thing. It was simply his test. Under Jigsaw's theory, he should have no desire for revenge as he will now appreciate life. Whether this works or not is yet to be seen, but I think John has a contingency plan in place to protect Jill from Hoffman. After all, he assured her before his death that he has an out for her

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Well, he's going to want revenge. He already went against the Jigsaw M.O. and murdered Erickson, Perez, and the lab assistant. So I definitely think he's going to go after Jill in the next film. That is the next logical step for his character because he's still free to do what he wants.

The public will still think Strahm is doing the Jigsaw murders and without any kind of proof(depending on what Jill dropped off at the doctors office), Hoffman is still a decorated officer. It's going to be interesting to see what they come up with.

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I do believe Jill was thinking Hoffman was going to die in that trap. You see there was no key for him to unlock it. That was definitely meant to kill him.

 

[nocomics]

Spoiler

Timothy Young was the one who accidently killed Jeff's son. Timothy was the guy placed into The Rack. Jill will not be the new Jigsaw. Seeing as Hoffman knew about Amanda being involved in the loss of her and John's son, it was her way of getting revenge on him. It's safe to say she planned on Hoffman dying in the trap. The fact that he got out before it went off showed he had a survival instinct.

So I think Saw VII will take place two or three years time showing a disfigured Hoffman testing victims and planning revenge on Jill. You know he's going to want to kill her now.

oops my bad for some reason I thought the drunk driver name was Troy..Troy was the guy in the chains who got blewed up

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Ya, I could see that as well and if they stick to the stoy arc and method of jiggs while doing that cat n' mouse between Jill/Hoffman it could be real good. I'm sure or hopefull when they do the last 3 they can keep it somewhat consistant and interesting. I guess the doctor she dropped the note too will have a good role in all this..

 

[TKing]

But you guys are forgetting one thing (which was my point in my last post), how can Hoffman and/or Jill carry on Jigsaw's work, carry on testing people, when THEY CAN'T BUILD THE TRAPS!

It's what's illogical about carrying on the series after Jigsaw's death, knowing HE was the maker of the traps. Hoffman is a detective, Jill ran a health clinic, they haven't degrees in construction!

 

[bullets]

But you guys are forgetting one thing (which was my point in my last post), how can Hoffman and/or Jill carry on Jigsaw's work, carry on testing people, when THEY CAN'T BUILD THE TRAPS!

It's what's illogical about carrying on the series after Jigsaw's death, knowing HE was the maker of the traps. Hoffman is a detective, Jill ran a health clinic, they haven't degrees in construction!

Jill won't be carrying on Jigsaw's work , he already gave her the last mision or whatever. Hoffman may have learned how these device worked .

 

[S.A.A.D.]

About the traps,well it's not like Hoffman can't learn how to make traps and see if they work. He's not that stupid.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

Jill won't be carrying on Jigsaw's work , he already gave her the last mision or whatever. Hoffman may have learned how these device worked .

I know I haven't seen the whole movie yet,but I'm glad she isn't going to take over,I was very dissapointed when I found out she tried to kill Hoffman and assumed she would be another Jigsaw killer.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

About the traps,well it's not like Hoffman can't learn how to make traps and see if they work. He's not that stupid.

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Exactly. He definitely wasn't stupid. He was careless into thinking that they wouldn't look into the Seth Baxter tape, the timer watch he was wearing, and the constant mentioning of Strahm which made him look even more obvious. But I believe he learned a lot from Jigsaw and will be constructing some vicious traps now.

 

[TKing]

Really? He's a fricking detective. Maybe he isn't dumb, but he isn't an engineer.

Perhaps Jigsaw was training Hoffman before his death, maybe Hoffman was an actual 'apprentice' of the craft, but it's highly inplausible he could construct as eloborate traps as the series has featured.

 

[Legion]

But you guys are forgetting one thing (which was my point in my last post), how can Hoffman and/or Jill carry on Jigsaw's work, carry on testing people, when THEY CAN'T BUILD THE TRAPS!

It's what's illogical about carrying on the series after Jigsaw's death, knowing HE was the maker of the traps. Hoffman is a detective, Jill ran a health clinic, they haven't degrees in construction!

I guess you haven't been keeping up with the series. Hoffman originally imitated Jigsaw and built a pendulum that killed Seth, the man that murdered his sister. He physically built the trap and duplicated Jigsaw's voice and doll.

It has also been shown that he has done all of Jigsaw's grunt work, physically constructing all of the traps and even making his own modifications. Hell it was even shown in the eariler movies that Amanda tampered with the traps. Shows she had an understanding of how the traps and their components worked.

In the Hoffman saga, the apprentice has been carrying on Jigsaw's final games. So Jigsaw planned the games, but nothing suggests that he was the one that built them.

At the end of Saw VI you could saw

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Hoffman has officially graduated from apprentice to master. The next film will start a new saga with his own games.

 

[TKing]

I missed out IV and my memory of V is shaky, but I remember that pendulum trap well, and even then I thought that was odd given Hoffman's background as a detective.

I can't remember Amanda tampering with the traps, which ones do you mean? If you mean when she tells Lynn about the bomb device around her neck, knowing how something works and building the thing is a lot of difference.

I don't like the fact that it seems painfully obvious to me that the Saw series loses great impact when we're expected to believe detectives and drug addicts can build elaborate traps initially devised by a civil engineer with a life's worth of experience (stress: to me; others obviously don't see a problem, and that's cool ). But I dunno, maybe I'll watch 4 and rewatch 5 soon and see if it helps. Maybe it shows Hoffman has a better grasp of mechanics than I think.

 

[Maximus One]

Me and one of my friends were trying to think of some traps wed like to see one day in a Saw movie and we came up with some sick ****. I think a boiling trap would be pretty kool to see. Or boiling oil. OW! I also thought of one that would be like a harpoon type of thing that springs open like an umbrella being shoved down someones esophagus kinda like a sword swallower. I dunno just kinda fun to sit around and get stoned and try to come up with some sick traps

 

[Slushy]

How SAW IV SHOULD'VE ended! Click the image to watch video.

 

[nocomics]

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Exactly. He definitely wasn't stupid. He was careless into thinking that they wouldn't look into the Seth Baxter tape, the timer watch he was wearing, and the constant mentioning of Strahm which made him look even more obvious. But I believe he learned a lot from Jigsaw and will be constructing some vicious traps now.

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Ya, he got cocky and careless with his evidence..The finger prints to not knowing the police could decipher voice codings and the puzzle pieces w/certain knife edges? I think they kindof known Hoffman was invovled especially Perez and Erickson

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I think the next one will be more of a revenge type movie with Hoffman going after Jill and whoever that doctor is while continuing on the games. I would say they almost used up all their flashback tricks,but Im guessing the doctor will have some hidden role in the past connections with Jiggs/Hoffman etc...
*you know this one thing this series has done real well and that is tie-in everyone from present to past movies. Though at times it gets a little cliche,but I can overlook it to some degree. PLus I did like the social Healthcare undertone to the victims,I couldn't root for anyone of those fools to survive. Traps were simple,but yet effective and brutal.

 

[Legion]

I missed out IV and my memory of V is shaky, but I remember that pendulum trap well, and even then I thought that was odd given Hoffman's background as a detective.

I can't remember Amanda tampering with the traps, which ones do you mean? If you mean when she tells Lynn about the bomb device around her neck, knowing how something works and building the thing is a lot of difference.

I don't like the fact that it seems painfully obvious to me that the Saw series loses great impact when we're expected to believe detectives and drug addicts can build elaborate traps initially devised by a civil engineer with a life's worth of experience (stress: to me; others obviously don't see a problem, and that's cool ). But I dunno, maybe I'll watch 4 and rewatch 5 soon and see if it helps. Maybe it shows Hoffman has a better grasp of mechanics than I think.

Amanda put together traps that were impossible to get out of even if you passed the test. Like the one that killed Kerry.

 

[The Trainman]

Wow, SAW VI was actually quite good. Very good in fact that it's partly due to Hoffman's cold character.

I think I'm in love with Costas Mandylor. Those last ten seconds proved to me that he's an ultimate badass and a true successor to Jigsaw.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

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There were people coming out of the theatre saying that they couldn't wait for Saw 7 now. I believe a lot of that has to do with the fresh unique storyline they put into the film, Hoffman's character, and how the ending was one of the more intense twists.

I think everyone knew Jill was going to test Hoffman. I just don't think anyone expected him to escape.

 

[xwolverine2]

wow the spill.com crew loved it

and they haaaate saw.

http://my.spill.com/profiles/blogs/saw-vi-audio-review

 

[nocomics]

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There were people coming out of the theatre saying that they couldn't wait for Saw 7 now. I believe a lot of that has to do with the fresh unique storyline they put into the film, Hoffman's character, and how the ending was one of the more intense twists.

I think everyone knew Jill was going to test Hoffman. I just don't think anyone expected him to escape.

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Agreed,I thought he was gonna get it,but again knowing they are gonna make more almost figured he escaped..I guess I'm looking forward to see if Hoffman goes after Jill and what role that doctor is gonna play?

 

[CrypticOne]

Wow, SAW VI was actually quite good. Very good in fact that it's partly due to Hoffman's cold character.

I think I'm in love with Costas Mandylor. Those last ten seconds proved to me that he's an ultimate badass and a true successor to Jigsaw.

Yeah. Hoffman is a straight up badass. I can't wait to see what he does in the next movie.

 

[nocomics]

Yeah. Hoffman is a straight up badass. I can't wait to see what he does in the next movie.

Ya, I think they've showed how obscessed Hoffman has become with being the new jiggs and how demented he has become.

 

[CelticPredator]

All the other Saws were shot on a soundstage? I never knew that.

I dont know if this is sarcastic, or not, but i'm gonna assume it is.

Either a sound stage, or a warehouse. Either way, it was nice to go outside. Saw 4 was strickly in doors.

 

[bullets]

I know I haven't seen the whole movie yet,but I'm glad she isn't going to take over,I was very dissapointed when I found out she tried to kill Hoffman and assumed she would be another Jigsaw killer.

I would abandon the series if that were to ever happen , the way she tests hoffman in the movie is at least believable though.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I dont know if this is sarcastic, or not, but i'm gonna assume it is.

Either a sound stage, or a warehouse. Either way, it was nice to go outside. Saw 4 was strickly in doors.

No, I was being serious. I never knew the Saw films were shot on a soundstage. So in a way it was kind of like the Star Wars of filming? I know the Star Wars prequels were shot behind a green sceen and sound stages as well.

Guess that explains why Saw 6 seemed more expanded and more unique.