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Because they are to busy reporting bad stuff and gossip on celebrities to pay attention to movements and progress. Remember, media is often controlled also.
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Because every single news story on every news channel, every article in every newspaper and corresponding website deals with celebrity gossip.
If someone only reads magazines and/or websites that deal solely on that one topic, it's still not valid point since there's a dearth of news stories that aren't.
And there's also news about a little thing called the 2008 presidential election, some conflict in Iraq, and the latest Bush scandal
If someone only reads magazines and/or websites that deal solely on that one topic, it's still not valid point since there's a dearth of news stories that aren't.
And there's also news about a little thing called the 2008 presidential election, some conflict in Iraq, and the latest Bush scandal
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Not to mention an actual, pending war in Latin America, actual political corruption in Russia, actual religious oppression in China, and countless other real stories the media would rather deal with than waste forty seconds of coverage on something as minuscule as this.
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Because god forbid they show progress and how people can come together for a cause! Like Anonymous says, first is this, then bigger world issues, this is only the start.
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We're getting a bit off message here. if Whirlyplat wants to simply troll (as he's seemingly abandoned all effort of appearing to be doing anything other than trolling), he can make a thread for that like last time.
I think we can all agree on the issues, not our arguments, being deserving of attention from a largely ignorant public base.
I think we can all agree on the issues, not our arguments, being deserving of attention from a largely ignorant public base.
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OK, see this is where you start to lose me. Now I assume you are talking about people in general not paying attention to Scientology and it's dangers. You have to understand something, Scientology does not threaten the general population or have any kind of power over them. It just doesn't. It doesn't have close to that kind of power. People have enough **** to worry about and to say this deserves nation wide attention, it's really just not realistic unless something DRASTIC happens to where everyone has them on their radar.
People aren't ignorant for not rallying against Scientology or not knowing about every single detail. A lot of people already think of them as crazy or a cult anyway. The ignorant people are the people continuing to JOIN them. Those are the people that need this education. Everyone else who doesn't give a ****, who just more or less ignore it, they don't need to be bothered with it, because quite honestly they have nothing to fear from Scientology.
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Or..... the media prefers to cover things the general public actually cares about, whether it's a provocative action by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or the 2008 Presidential election, or some stupid move by a world-famous celebrity. Most people simply don't care about this cause. Hell, most people don't even know what Scientology is, let alone care one way or the other how this protest progresses.
Maybe Anonymous should start bombing some COS locations? Then they'd get attention...
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A new article today at the LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-scientology3mar03,0,5519270.story
Aside from giving brief obligatory lip-service to the usual CoS claims of bigotry and terrorism, it seems pretty sympathetic to the critics.
Aside from giving brief obligatory lip-service to the usual CoS claims of bigotry and terrorism, it seems pretty sympathetic to the critics.
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If Scientology is so dangerous, those chicks should be dead by next week right?
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Not with all eyes on them right now...this is where Anonymous succeeded!
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For those who are interested in the protests, you can find out where they will be in your area:
http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewforum.php?f=21
http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewforum.php?f=21
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Online version of the LA TImes Article
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-scientology3mar03,0,5519270.story
Mini Picket o the 8th
Also, there was a March 1st protest in LA at a meeting held by the Scientology front group CCHR:
http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4836&start=150
20/20 documentary on Scientology from 1998 with interviews with the likes of Mike Reinder, John Travolta and Kristie Alley.
Pretty good and informative, crappy vid quiality tho
A Misunderstood Religion or a Predatory Cult
BBC's John Sweeney Eulogizes Shawn Lonsdale
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Figured I might as well direcly post this with highlights.
Masked men and women demonstrate in front of the Amsterdam office of the Scientology Church, part of a worldwide protest organized by an online group called Anonymous.
A growing number of critics and disgruntled ex-members are using the Web to attack the church's tightly controlled image.
By David Sarno, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
March 3, 2008
"We were born. We grew up. We escaped."
So reads the motto of ExScientologyKids.com, a website launched Thursday by three young women raised in the Church of Scientology who are speaking out against the religion. Their website accuses the church of physical abuse, denying some children a proper education and alienating members from family.
One of the women behind the site, Jenna Miscavige Hill, is the niece of David Miscavige, the head of the church, and Kendra Wiseman is the daughter of Bruce Wiseman, president of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, a Scientology-sponsored organization opposed to the practice of psychiatry.
The day before ExScientologyKids.com launched, another inflammatory allegation about the church began to circulate virulently online. "L. Ron Hubbard Plagiarized Scientology," read a headline at the popular Internet culture blog BoingBoing. The post linked to images of a translated 1934 German book called "Scientologie," which critics say contains similar themes to Hubbard's Scientology, which he codified in 1952, according to a church website.
These were just the latest in a series of Scientology-related stories to burn across the Internet like grass fires in recent weeks, testing the church's well-established ability to tightly control its public image. The largest thorn in the church's side has been a group called Anonymous, a diffuse online coalition of skeptics, hackers and activists, many of them young and Web-savvy. The high-wattage movement has inspired former Scientologists to come forward and has repeatedly trained an Internet spotlight on any story or rumor that portrays Scientology in unflattering terms.
No corner of the Web, it appears, is safe for Scientology. Blogger and lawyer Scott Pilutik recently posted a story noting that Scientology was yanking down EBay auctions for used e-meters, the device the church uses for spiritual counseling. EBay allows brand owners -- Louis Vuitton or Rolex, say -- to remove items they believe infringe on their trademark or patent rights. Basically, fakes. But, Pilutik said, the used e-meters being taken down were genuine. Reselling them was no different than putting a for-sale sign on your old Chevy.
"What's actually going on here," he wrote, is that the church is "knowingly alleging intellectual property violations that clearly don't exist." Within a day Pilutik's blog had gotten over 45,000 visitors -- so much traffic that his site crashed completely.
Facing a steady stream of negative publicity and a growing number of critical voices, Scientology has found itself on the defensive.
The church has referred to Anonymous as a group of "cyber-terrorists" and, in a statement, said the group's aims were "reminiscent of Al Qaeda spreading anti-American hatred and calling for U.S. destruction."
"These people are posing extremely serious death threats to our people," said church spokeswoman Karin Pouw in a phone interview. "We are talking about religious hatred and bigotry."
A recent video posted to YouTube contained a threat to bomb a Southern California Scientology building. An FBI spokeswoman said an investigation was in progress but that no suspects had been identified.
Reporters have long had to tread carefully when writing about Scientology, fearful that lawsuits and other kinds of retaliation would follow any story that Scientology did not like. But that may be changing.
"Before this Internet onslaught," said Douglas Frantz, a contributing editor at Portfolio magazine who covered Scientology for the New York Times in the 1990s (and is a former editor at the L.A. Times), "they were always able to go after their critics and do a good job of being able to discredit or intimidate them."
Angry former church members also perceive a kind of safety in numbers afforded by the Internet, and more are coming forward to share their stories.
"People have been scared out of their minds to speak out about Scientology," said Hill, Miscavige's niece, in an interview. "Nobody should have to be that scared to speak out about a church."
Wiseman echoed the sentiment, adding that the Anonymous campaign had influenced her decision to reveal her identity last week. "The Internet is listening. If something happens to me, all of these people will know."
The current wave of anti-Scientology activity began in January, when a video of Tom Cruise extolling the religion's tech-based approach to enlightenment was leaked onto YouTube, where users holding it up to ridicule copied and recopied it; several sites posted it without hesitation.
It wasn't long before Nick Denton, who as publisher of the blog syndicate Gawker Media had put the video online first, received a legal threat from a law firm representing Scientology, alleging copyright infringement. But Denton refused to take the video down.
"It was an awesome news story," Denton wrote in an e-mail. "If we didn't race to post it up, some other site would have. That, rather than litigation by Scientology, was the fear going through my mind."
The church's whack-a-mole campaign with the Cruise video became a rallying cry for Anonymous, which saw efforts to remove the videos from YouTube as an unwanted incursion into the domain of digital culture, where information and media, copyrighted or no, are often exchanged freely.
Masked men and women demonstrate in front of the Amsterdam office of the Scientology Church, part of a worldwide protest organized by an online group called Anonymous.
A growing number of critics and disgruntled ex-members are using the Web to attack the church's tightly controlled image.
By David Sarno, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
March 3, 2008
"We were born. We grew up. We escaped."
So reads the motto of ExScientologyKids.com, a website launched Thursday by three young women raised in the Church of Scientology who are speaking out against the religion. Their website accuses the church of physical abuse, denying some children a proper education and alienating members from family.
One of the women behind the site, Jenna Miscavige Hill, is the niece of David Miscavige, the head of the church, and Kendra Wiseman is the daughter of Bruce Wiseman, president of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, a Scientology-sponsored organization opposed to the practice of psychiatry.
The day before ExScientologyKids.com launched, another inflammatory allegation about the church began to circulate virulently online. "L. Ron Hubbard Plagiarized Scientology," read a headline at the popular Internet culture blog BoingBoing. The post linked to images of a translated 1934 German book called "Scientologie," which critics say contains similar themes to Hubbard's Scientology, which he codified in 1952, according to a church website.
These were just the latest in a series of Scientology-related stories to burn across the Internet like grass fires in recent weeks, testing the church's well-established ability to tightly control its public image. The largest thorn in the church's side has been a group called Anonymous, a diffuse online coalition of skeptics, hackers and activists, many of them young and Web-savvy. The high-wattage movement has inspired former Scientologists to come forward and has repeatedly trained an Internet spotlight on any story or rumor that portrays Scientology in unflattering terms.
No corner of the Web, it appears, is safe for Scientology. Blogger and lawyer Scott Pilutik recently posted a story noting that Scientology was yanking down EBay auctions for used e-meters, the device the church uses for spiritual counseling. EBay allows brand owners -- Louis Vuitton or Rolex, say -- to remove items they believe infringe on their trademark or patent rights. Basically, fakes. But, Pilutik said, the used e-meters being taken down were genuine. Reselling them was no different than putting a for-sale sign on your old Chevy.
"What's actually going on here," he wrote, is that the church is "knowingly alleging intellectual property violations that clearly don't exist." Within a day Pilutik's blog had gotten over 45,000 visitors -- so much traffic that his site crashed completely.
Facing a steady stream of negative publicity and a growing number of critical voices, Scientology has found itself on the defensive.
The church has referred to Anonymous as a group of "cyber-terrorists" and, in a statement, said the group's aims were "reminiscent of Al Qaeda spreading anti-American hatred and calling for U.S. destruction."
"These people are posing extremely serious death threats to our people," said church spokeswoman Karin Pouw in a phone interview. "We are talking about religious hatred and bigotry."
A recent video posted to YouTube contained a threat to bomb a Southern California Scientology building. An FBI spokeswoman said an investigation was in progress but that no suspects had been identified.
Reporters have long had to tread carefully when writing about Scientology, fearful that lawsuits and other kinds of retaliation would follow any story that Scientology did not like. But that may be changing.
"Before this Internet onslaught," said Douglas Frantz, a contributing editor at Portfolio magazine who covered Scientology for the New York Times in the 1990s (and is a former editor at the L.A. Times), "they were always able to go after their critics and do a good job of being able to discredit or intimidate them."
Angry former church members also perceive a kind of safety in numbers afforded by the Internet, and more are coming forward to share their stories.
"People have been scared out of their minds to speak out about Scientology," said Hill, Miscavige's niece, in an interview. "Nobody should have to be that scared to speak out about a church."
Wiseman echoed the sentiment, adding that the Anonymous campaign had influenced her decision to reveal her identity last week. "The Internet is listening. If something happens to me, all of these people will know."
The current wave of anti-Scientology activity began in January, when a video of Tom Cruise extolling the religion's tech-based approach to enlightenment was leaked onto YouTube, where users holding it up to ridicule copied and recopied it; several sites posted it without hesitation.
It wasn't long before Nick Denton, who as publisher of the blog syndicate Gawker Media had put the video online first, received a legal threat from a law firm representing Scientology, alleging copyright infringement. But Denton refused to take the video down.
"It was an awesome news story," Denton wrote in an e-mail. "If we didn't race to post it up, some other site would have. That, rather than litigation by Scientology, was the fear going through my mind."
The church's whack-a-mole campaign with the Cruise video became a rallying cry for Anonymous, which saw efforts to remove the videos from YouTube as an unwanted incursion into the domain of digital culture, where information and media, copyrighted or no, are often exchanged freely.
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No offense, but, what? Please use a spell checker and think about your sentence structure.
Because it's very difficult to comprehend the bulk of your posts. This is due to poor spelling and grammar. That would be my guess anyway. *shrugs*
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O.K. I won't press you further on the matter. Your life off the web is no business of mine.... The only statement I will make is this; If you make a comment, stating you did something you didn't believe in at the time. You should expect people to ask why you did it.
Finally, the vast majority of posters in this thread do not see Scientology as a threat to the general populous. This is because the majority will never choose to be involved with it. If Lizard did not have family involved in it, I am positive he would not have chosen to be involved with it either. As almost every poster in this thread has said; Is Scientology a threat? Yes! Is it a threat to most people? No! Is it a major worldwide threat? No! Does it engage in illegal activities? possibly! Is this unusual for "Religions"? Hell, No!
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It would probably blow your mind to know that I graduated from English AP.
Scientology makes it their aim to be involved in our lives. Or maybe you don't consider infiltrating and subverting government agencies, or the front groups they use to push their agenda on an unsuspecting public, to be examples of such.
Other people commit crimes so that makes it ok to forget about these crimes and excuse my apathy!
Whatever bucko.
As I said.
Scientology makes it their aim to be involved in our lives. Or maybe you don't consider infiltrating and subverting government agencies, or the front groups they use to push their agenda on an unsuspecting public, to be examples of such.
Other people commit crimes so that makes it ok to forget about these crimes and excuse my apathy!
Whatever bucko.
As I said.
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Nah -- it's not a worldwide threat. I just see it as an unusually aggressive scam that needs to be exposed and judged accordingly for the shady activities perpetrated under the guise of "religious freedom".
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Lizard said:
Though 'worldwide threat' is sort of subjective depending on how harshly you interpret the word. I mean Scientology is international, and they are an issue. I've always said that regardless of their ability to subjegate the world (as if if that's even possible) that they should be exposed for their practices.
But yeah, I apologize if I'm one of the people that was giving off the impression that they're the next hitler or something.
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The first wave of protests kicked off on Feb 10th 2008, worldwide with close to 10 000 people participating.
http://www.vimeo.com/681685 - Clearwater Florida
http://www.dailymotion.com/SA-Anonymous/video/7341208 Road to February 10th 2008
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the fist link is of CA not FL..just wanted to point that out
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