The Dark Knight Sean Penn WAS up for The Joker; more Joker info

[Maxwell Smart]

Oh there's no doubt about Penn's ability. I just doubt Jett's word that he was up for the role or not. Now if it was Latino Review who brought it up, I'd be more likely to believe it.

When has Jett let us down? Even when he does report BS, he almost always lets us know that it is most likely B.S.

 

[ultimatefan]

Penn's not an ******* necessarily, he just takes himself very serious as an actor, and I think that puts some people off.

And what I meant is that Penn doesn't do summer blockbuster type movies, not these days anyway.

He takes himself WAAY too seriously on every level. The man has no sense of humor whatsoever. He got all pissed on some jokes Trey Parker and Matt Stone made on his political views - which were dead on BTW - and Penn wrote a pissed off letter to papers and just gave them more publicity. Other stars they made the same jokes about couldn´t care less.

 

[The Sage]

When has Jett let us down? Even when he does report BS, he almost always lets us know that it is most likely B.S.

True. I just tend to believe LR over BOF when it comes to casting.

 

[mad-sci]

Anyway, i didn´t read five-way revenge, can anyone describe it to me?

A blurb about the significance of "The Five-way Revenge."

There is no doubting "The Joker's Five-Way Revenge" (1973) is notable for three reasons. Number one, it marked a return to form for the Joker. Under writer Denny O'Neil, this Joker was no longer encumbered by Wortham's stifling legacy (the original version of the Comics Code) or the stigma of the "Batman" tv program. He once again became the deadly menace portrayed in his original appearances, as evidenced by the re-introduction of the laugh-inducing Joker-venom. Secondly, the Joker regained his sense of humor, and actually became funny instead of annoying. This Joker was a far cry from the one in the 50s/60s, who was just a goofy, irritating freak (check out "The Great Clayface-Joker Feud"). He used style (the exploding cigar) and wit (the shark) and sly banter, instead of obnoxiousness. Finally, and most importantly, "Five-Way" established the groundwork for the entire Batman/Joker dichotomy that's become the core of the Bat-mythos: reason/rationality vs randomness/insanity. When the Joker clubs Batman into unconsciousness, the grinning gargoyle decides not to kill his nemesis; instead, the Joker pontificates about how any death for Batman must come solely from a battle of wits and madness--anything else would be cheap and pointless.

 

[The Chairman]

Penn would've made an awesome Joker, but come on, it was really a surprise that he turned it down? Sean Penn would never do a comic book movie.

 

[Maxwell Smart]

Penn would've made an awesome Joker, but come on, it was really a surprise that he turned it down? Sean Penn would never do a comic book movie.

Exactamundo, Cunningham.

 

[Steelsheen]

damn Penn would've been a great Joker. now that would've been casting homerun on a BB level.

and imagining Bale's Batman going up against Penn's Joker: wow that would've been electrifying


sigh.... what could've been

 

[fabman]

and what we have (ledger) RUUUULLEZZ!!!

 

["V"]

Hmmm, that leads towards the notion that Joker was already a criminal when he was transformed, which is not what happens in The Killing Joke... Wonder if Nolan will mix the origins, where Joker is a criminal but also has a family.

Well only Jett has mentioned Five Way Revenge - Not Nolan.

But it was written before Killing Joke, and i'm sure it's his gang from when he was Joker not whoever he was before.

The way I imagine five way being worked in is the Joker offing various mob bosses with Batman trying to work out who is behind it and uncovers his Killing Joke past....

 

[Cinemaman]

and what we have (ledger) RUUUULLEZZ!!!

 

[Two-Face]

The only reason I think Penn didn't do Joker because his good friend to Jack Nicholson.


I'm glad he didn't sign too old to be Joker anyway.

 

[spanish39]

I remember Edge as Egghead lol, as well as the picture of Egghead (Vincent Price).

As far as Joker's origin, apparently they will draw mostly from his 1st 2 appearances and TKJ. This man will have deep motives and be highly intelligent me thinks. He will have no remorse and a fixation on the bat.

I hope they mix them around a little, even make up a thing or two to add to the mythos as they did with stuff in "Begins". But all together I really hope they still leave it a mystery, or up to the viewers to discuss leaving the theatre. I want some damn confusing mystery that makes Joker even more appealing because people don't know who he is and badly want more information on his past, the film can only intensify that trademark of The Joker.

 

[The Sage]

I remember Edge as Egghead lol, as well as the picture of Egghead (Vincent Price).

LOL!!

 

[ultimatefan]

damn Penn would've been a great Joker. now that would've been casting homerun on a BB level.

and imagining Bale's Batman going up against Penn's Joker: wow that would've been electrifying


sigh.... what could've been

If the guy isn´t passionate about the role, it´s better for everyone he turned it down. If he accepted and phoned it in, it´d have been horrible.

 

[Alonsovich]

Five Way Revenge has Joker taking out members of his former gang... the first two appearances of the Joker have him taking out mob bosses... basically seems like Nolan's Joker is going to be taking out the Falcones, Maronis, Earles and all this type of characters...

 

[The Sage]

Five Way Revenge has Joker taking out members of his former gang... the first two appearances of the Joker have him taking out mob bosses... basically seems like Nolan's Joker is going to be taking out the Falcones, Maronis, Earles and all this type of characters...

Sort of like the comicbook idea of the normal regular gangsters being slowly but surely replaced by the bizarre and crazy villains. In other words, escalation.

I'll pay good money to see that, especially if Joker wipes them out in awesome ways.

 

[thedarks0ldier]

That story sounds awesome. Five way Revenge sounds like the Mask of the Phantasm but with the Joker instead. I wonder if Carmine will get whiped out, (if he isnt dead already.) That kinda makes the Joker and Batman like "brothers", they're lives were both transformed by gangsters.

And I have never liked the idea of Sean Penn for Joker

 

[antmanx68]

Penn probably would have sucked and I'm glad he passed on it. Just like how alledgedely Russell Crowe turned down playing Ducard and look who we ended up with: Liam "I'm the coolest motha on the face of the urf" Neeson. Thats one trade i'd take any day.... same with Pen. He's old, stiff, wrinkly, and most of all pretentious. I put him in the same league as Denzel Washington in that they think they're God's gift to acting and if they retired today it wouldnt bother me one bit.

 

[The Sage]

Penn probably would have sucked and I'm glad he passed on it. Just like how alledgedely Russell Crowe turned down playing Ducard and look who we ended up with: Liam "I'm the coolest motha on the face of the urf" Neeson. Thats one trade i'd take any day.... same with Pen. He's old, stiff, wrinkly, and most of all pretentious. I put him in the same league as Denzel Washington in that they think they're God's gift to acting and if they retired today it wouldnt bother me one bit.

Of course, Denzel is one of God's gifts to acting...

 

[antmanx68]

Of course, Denzel is one of God's gifts to acting...

Eh, well at least you have good taste in your avatar ladies.

 

[Excel]

the plot sounds like batman 2 by sam hamm

 

[The Sage]

Eh, well at least you have good taste in your avatar ladies.

Cute.

 

[ultimatefan]

Penn probably would have sucked and I'm glad he passed on it. Just like how alledgedely Russell Crowe turned down playing Ducard and look who we ended up with: Liam "I'm the coolest motha on the face of the urf" Neeson. Thats one trade i'd take any day.... same with Pen. He's old, stiff, wrinkly, and most of all pretentious. I put him in the same league as Denzel Washington in that they think they're God's gift to acting and if they retired today it wouldnt bother me one bit.

Well, if you wanna be rigid about it, pretty much all high-profile actors have an ego to some extent... Of course some more than others, but as Sam Jackson says, vanity is part of that business.

 

[ultimatefan]

the plot sounds like batman 2 by sam hamm

Wasn´t Catwoman the villain in that one? Sorry, didn´t read that script.

 

[The Only Woj]

Am I correct when I say that the Joker's first appearance is VERY similar to The Man Who Laughs? Five-Way revenge being similar in that it made him more insane than his original incarnation.

As for The Killing Joke, having looked back on what went on in those two stories, I think they're show the red hood somewhere in the beginning, do all the Joker stuff and then have Batman discover that the Red Hood became the Joker and that he, Batman, is responsible in a sense for his creation of this madman.

Also, I would love to see a target of the Joker's attacks be Bruce Wayne. Or Dent. Or ... Rachel?