The Dark Knight Sean Penn WAS up for The Joker; more Joker info

[Excel]

the plot was catwoman teamed with penguin; penguin kinda the boss with catwoman going out and murdering 5 people, one by one, with batman chasing after them but also get framed for the murders which led to a sweet chase. of course there was a twist in that there was a big reason behind the murders; in that these 5 peoples(the richest most powerful men in gotham) ancestors all hid their money in the same spot, and penguin wanted it. it turned out be a treasure hunt after all the mystery and action throughout the film.

 

[ultimatefan]

Am I correct when I say that the Joker's first appearance is VERY similar to The Man Who Laughs? Five-Way revenge being similar in that it made him more insane than his original incarnation.

As for The Killing Joke, having looked back on what went on in those two stories, I think they're show the red hood somewhere in the beginning, do all the Joker stuff and then have Batman discover that the Red Hood became the Joker and that he, Batman, is responsible in a sense for his creation of this madman.

Also, I would love to see a target of the Joker's attacks be Bruce Wayne. Or Dent. Or ... Rachel?

It´s similar, but it´s given a modern approach, gets more into the characters, it´s a more complex story.

 

[Cinemaman]

Now I have a question.

As for look, which Joker's version (TKJ, TMWL, Hush, TLH, TLF or F-WR) will be shown in TDK?

 

[The Sage]

Now I have a question.

As for look, which Joker's version (TKJ, TMWL, Hush, TLH, TLF or F-WR) will be shown in TDK?

No clue. I wonder if Ledger will use prosthetics.

 

[silentflute]

Now I have a question.

As for look, which Joker's version (TKJ, TMWL, Hush, TLH, TLF or F-WR) will be shown in TDK?

None. If anything he'll look like the Joker in DKR.

 

[Cinemaman]

^^^

Well, if TDK is the title, it doesn't mean everything will look like TDKR.

 

[ultimatefan]

the plot was catwoman teamed with penguin; penguin kinda the boss with catwoman going out and murdering 5 people, one by one, with batman chasing after them but also get framed for the murders which led to a sweet chase. of course there was a twist in that there was a big reason behind the murders; in that these 5 peoples(the richest most powerful men in gotham) ancestors all hid their money in the same spot, and penguin wanted it. it turned out be a treasure hunt after all the mystery and action throughout the film.

Okay, thanks. TDK sounds more interesting.

 

[raybia]

Here is a blurb that describes the significance of "The Five-way Revenge."

There is no doubting "The Joker's Five-Way Revenge" (1973) is notable for three reasons. Number one, it marked a return to form for the Joker. Under writer Denny O'Neil, this Joker was no longer encumbered by Wortham's stifling legacy (the original version of the Comics Code) or the stigma of the "Batman" tv program. He once again became the deadly menace portrayed in his original appearances, as evidenced by the re-introduction of the laugh-inducing Joker-venom. Secondly, the Joker regained his sense of humor, and actually became funny instead of annoying. This Joker was a far cry from the one in the 50s/60s, who was just a goofy, irritating freak (check out "The Great Clayface-Joker Feud"). He used style (the exploding cigar) and wit (the shark) and sly banter, instead of obnoxiousness. Finally, and most importantly, "Five-Way" established the groundwork for the entire Batman/Joker dichotomy that's become the core of the Bat-mythos: reason/rationality vs randomness/insanity. When the Joker clubs Batman into unconsciousness, the grinning gargoyle decides not to kill his nemesis; instead, the Joker pontificates about how any death for Batman must come solely from a battle of wits and madness--anything else would be cheap and pointless.


Here is a link for "The man who laughs", which was a retelling of the Joker's first appearance in Batman#1 in 1940.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_The_Man_Who_Laughs

 

[Dark Knight]

from BOF(batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html):

Penn Declined and Joker Inspirations
Author: Jett
Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 5:43 AM CENTRAL TIME: “Our Best Source” is back with some interesting revelations:


“You might want to dig up one of my ‘scoops’ for you from a long time ago -- just after Goyer leaked that The Joker would be in the sequel.


If you recall, I let you know that they would be going back to The Joker's first ever appearance, in BATMAN #1 1940, as the plot-line for the sequel. They will also be mixing in some plot threads from The Joker's celebrated ‘comeback’ tale from the 1970s, ‘The Joker's Five-Way Revenge.’


You may also be interested to know that Sean Penn was their first choice for Joker, and passed.


Doing an article search on one-time candidate, Aussie Lachy Hulme, I also found an old article in an Australian newspaper comparing him to Sean Penn in terms of looks and acting style. Small world, eh?”


He's right on with that Joker inspiration info. It's somewhere in the archives and I'll dig through them later and find his blurb.

WOW! Penn was my #1 choice for Joker last year after BB came out. Unreal....if he really declined....bad decision by him.

 

[Two-Face]

I'm glad Nolan didn't choose him he's good actor but he's too old for the role of The Joker.

 

[E-Mack]

If this rumor is true, then obviously Nolan/Goyer saw something in Penn. Just like how they saw something in Ledger...

 

[Silver Souper]

i am so encouraged by this news, with nolan referencing the killing joke and the first two joker appearances. an attack against the entire city sounds HORRIBLE!!! TKJ and five-way revenge- small scale but devastating psycho killings and the psychological battle between batman and joker- FINALLY!!!

this has the possibility to be the greatest comic book movie ever- the stage is perfect.

 

[The Fallen]

I love this talk of old school Joker being used in TDK. Batman #1, Five-Way Revenge, The Killing Joker, all classic Joker stories. And they show a side of the charater that the general public have not seen. It'll be new and fresh.

Also after reading this the story becomes clear. The Joker worked for the mob, maybe because he was forced to a la TKJ or not, and gets betrayed in some way. He vows revenge and starts offing mobs bosses. Batman, Dent and Gordon try to stop it. Sounds good!

 

[Steelsheen]

If this rumor is true, then obviously Nolan/Goyer saw something in Penn. Just like how they saw something in Ledger...

speaking of which, i wonder if that famous Nolan quote on Ledger was actually meant for Penn?

 

[Milkman95]

Joblo.com states Jerry Robinson, who helped create The Joker with Bob Kane, is going to be a consultant on The Dark Knight........if true, very nice.

 

[raybia]

Joblo.com states Jerry Robinson, who helped create The Joker with Bob Kane, is going to be a consultant on The Dark Knight........if true, very nice.

But isn't Jerry Robinson like 105 years old?

 

[Milkman95]

But isn't Jerry Robinson like 105 years old?

He's 77 years young..............

 

[raybia]

i am so encouraged by this news, with nolan referencing the killing joke and the first two joker appearances. an attack against the entire city sounds HORRIBLE!!! TKJ and five-way revenge- small scale but devastating psycho killings and the psychological battle between batman and joker- FINALLY!!!

this has the possibility to be the greatest comic book movie ever- the stage is perfect.

Yes, yes, it all coming together as I have foreseen.

 

[Darknightnomis]

The Joker's five way Revenge (BAtman # 251) is the classic early '70s story by (the great)Denny O neil and (the even greater) Neal Adams of the Joker getting revenge on his former gang members after break out of jail becasue on of them supposely rat him out to the police.

It was the inital story that brought the Joker back to being the homicidal manic like he was from the '30s. And it's proboly Neal Adams best artwork on a Batman story.

It'll be interesting how this (or parts of it) is going to tranfers to film.

As for Sean Penn not accepting the part, Thank Goodness.

 

[Agentsands77]

Hmmm, that leads towards the notion that Joker was already a criminal when he was transformed, which is not what happens in The Killing Joke... Wonder if Nolan will mix the origins, where Joker is a criminal but also has a family.

Well, I think when the rumor mentions "The Five-Way Revenge" it means more that THE DARK KNIGHT, I don't think it necessarily means that it will be the Joker seeking revenge as in that story (but again, it could).

 

[DA Harvey Dent]

I'm glad Nolan didn't choose him he's good actor but he's too old for the role of The Joker.

I agree, penn is too old. Maybe 10 years ago, he would've worked. But, I'm kinda glad he turned it down. Ledger is a much better choice IMO.

 

[raybia]

I agree, penn is too old. Maybe 10 years ago, he would've worked. But, I'm kinda glad he turned it down. Ledger is a much better choice IMO.

I agree as well. Just too old now.

It makes you wonder though, what is it that Nolan sees in Ledger that would make him the ideal choice for the Joker?

Not that Joker is gay, but would anyone agree that at times he is portrayed with gay tendencies?

If so, maybe there were some mannerisms the Ledger displayed in Brokeback that would transfer to Nolan's Joker. I'm reaching here because I've never seen the movie.

 

[Mr. Vice]

I agree as well. Just too old now.

I make you wonder though, what is it that Nolan sees in Ledger that would make him the ideal choice for the Joker?

Not that Joker is gay, but would anyone agree that at times he is portrayed with gay tendencies?

If so, may there were some mannerisms the Ledger displayed in Brokeback that would transfer to Nolan's Joker. I'm reaching here because I've never seen the movie.

I agree, some Joker protrayals do have "fruit tendencies".

 

[Two-Face]

I agree, penn is too old. Maybe 10 years ago, he would've worked. But, I'm kinda glad he turned it down. Ledger is a much better choice IMO.

I totally agree Dent.

 

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