Jessica Jones Season 1, Episode 6 "AKA You're a Winner!" (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[Pwoper Nereguar]

A Reminder That This Thread Is Only To Discuss Episode 6: AKA You're a Winner!

ANY SPOILERS FOR EPISODES BEYOND THIS ONE MUST BE TAGGED.

Luke hires Jessica to help him find someone who may have skipped town, but she fears he'll learn too much about her history in the process.

 

[flickchick85]

Glad they're not glazing over the rape aspect of what Kilgrave does. Poor Hope.

 

[flickchick85]

Well I think it's safe to say that Kilgrave is seriously obsessed, not that it was in doubt before. Quite a confrontation between Jessica and Luke, too.

And with that, I need to get some sleep and resume later in the day. I love this show.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

For me right now Kilgrave >>> Fisk, and I loved Fisk. Dude is just legit insane and scary.

 

[Golgo-13]

Damn! Some of you guys are rolling. I haven't even watch ep 1 yet....

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Damn! Some of you guys are rolling. I haven't even watch ep 1 yet....

Haha I actually had the day off today, totally forgot this was out, so that was an awesome coincidence, I planned on just watching a couple, but I just finished the 7th ep and fighting really hard to not just watch ep 8.

 

[TheVileOne]

For me right now Kilgrave >>> Fisk, and I loved Fisk. Dude is just legit insane and scary.

Kilgrave makes insanity look like the common cold.

 

[BatsDC]

This was a great episode.

Ending was brillant. Kilgrave is fantastic

 

[sabetoonth]

Just starting this, but man,

Spoiler

Malcom ready to fight Luke? LOL

 

[Snow Queen]

Damn, that ending was unsettling.

 

[Mike Murdock]

As always, I write a couple reviews as I go and now I'm posting them:

10am, beer in hand, time for another episode. This is another one that seems to be a sideplot to the Killgrave story. I said before I'm happy with those. The show's called Jessica Jones, not Zebediah Killgrave and an exploration of the Jessica Jones/Luke Cage relationship is pretty important. Anyway, it turns out the story was indirectly related to the Killgrave story anyway because this helps explain more fully the connection between Reva and Killgrave. Now we just have to see what's in that flashdrive. Although I do think Luke is right. It's not so much that Jessica killed his wife.

It's the betrayal. The fact that he continued to be a part of that life. In fairness, it was more her gutlessness. The fact that she hung around, accepted his invitation into his bar, and didn't tell him the truth that was unforgivable because that wasn't part of mind-control (although it has to do with her broken life because of Killgrave).

Killgrave's plot was interesting. The opening was him using his powers without even a care of being subtle or natural about it. But the buying of the house was him actually trying to have someone agree to something and the struggle that was in his life. However, it doesn't remotely redeem him. First off, because his patience only lasted for the bare minimum. The second he had the house, he used his powers again. Second, he wanted the house because he's really, really creepy. Good setup with the PTSD words and the signs at the end.

Four and a Half Stars.

 

[Black Narcissus]

The local gangster or whatever, HE and his crew would no doubt have guns. It didn't sit well with me that he didn't have any and went hand to hand with JJ and Luke. Minor nitpick I know.

 

[Keyser Soze]

EPISODE 6: AKA YOU'RE A WINNER!
What a boost it is to the show to have Luke Cage back! Mike Colter has all the makings of a huge star, whenever he walks onscreen he has a palpable screen presence. And it helps that he looks like Luke Cage ripped right out of the comics page. I'm loving the dynamic between him and Jessica, two damaged people broken in their own overlapping ways, it's one of the best romantic pairings I've seen in superhero film/TV. David Tennant had some good material here as well, given some other dimensions beyond the one note of coldly terrifying psycho that we've seen him hit so well. Wilson Fisk was developed in DAREDEVIL by humanising him and making him more sympathetic. That's not the case for Kilgrave, but I liked the quietly self-loathing concept of him struggling to prove he can convince someone to do something for him without the use of his powers. Mark Waid did something similar with the character in his "Purple Children" storyline - "Love me! That's not an order!" - and it adds nuance without making him any less despicable or creepy, especially when you factor in the chilling ending. Generally speaking, things are dire all over as this episode draws to a close, and it says something for how emotionally invested I am in everyone by this point that I'm antsy for things to be okay again soon. One of the strongest episodes yet.

 

[Web-Head]

Is Kilgrave obsessed or what?

 

[Quasimod0]

Definitely one of the best episodes yet. Luke really adds something special. Can't wait for his solo show.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I would say that this would be two in a row where the main thrust of the episode felt more like network TV procedural type stuff, which isn't a bad thing. Again... Case of the week with the Killgrave main arc going on.

I am warming up to this Luke. No, he didn't turn me off but... Things were a bit opaque with him. I liked the actor in the part here more than ever before. This is a very modern style, dramatic take on his character. I could go for a bit more of an outgoing personality. I don't need Luke to be Jim Carrey or something but you can have the taciturn knob turned to eleven a bit too much at times. I will say, I do think that this actor can be the center of a show of his own, and hopefully he and the actor they have picked for Danny have some fun and poignant chemistry. This episode showed a bit more of Luke's moral compass. He ain't trying to be a saint, but he ain't trying to be a sinner neither. He has his own code, he does care about things, but he's not above realistically dealing the cards as they are handed out either. Again, I could maybe use just a little more personality, just a little more charisma, though given this episode's story, I understand the less than avuncular and outgoing countenance.

The drama continues to percolate all around. So far there's been little that has been sloppy (despite what I am going to get into later...). I think it's good that we keep getting reminded about Hope and her situation, as she should be in the mix of Jessica's motivations each episode. I will say some of the other background plots are starting to make me scratch my head a bit. It's one thing to have well rounded characters that don't just exist for the sake of chess pieces for the plot. However, I don't see the purpose yet of spending even the limited time the creators have on Hogarth's relationship issues. It seems so far removed from everything. Maybe as a something that is a cause of tension later on between her and Jessica [BLACKOUT]perhaps due to Jessica not wanting to do something in relation to Hogarth's doctor wife?[/BLACKOUT] It may turn out to be important in a few episodes but right now it seems a bit superfluous in the big picture. Though [BLACKOUT]Hogarth is seeming to start to be less than a gray character and more just an outright terrible person. There's someone that is realistic about the world and then there are people that seem to be cold blooded schemers. She took that fetus for a reason and... Well it's not going to end up being for anything good. Funny... I was willing to put Hogarth into the category of definitely 'gray' but... Yeah, this woman is cold blooded. Pam needs to watch out because I wouldn't be surprised if Hogarth would be willing to hurt or even sacrifice her for some goal if she felt she had to.[/BLACKOUT]

Now... [BLACKOUT]I still am a little disappointed in the "Jessica Killed Luke's Wife" element. Sorry, but it just is feeling too neat. I know, we are talking about a story based on comic books, but it feel like a way too convenient reason to add conflict, tension ect. So far this still sticks out to me,though it's being handled well, the performances are good. I mean, when Luke told Jessica about his wife and the address where she was killed you could feel Ritter's shock, fear and desperation all in one moment. Seeing how Luke and Jessica had progressed this made Luke's moral assessment of Jessica all the more painful to watch. Jessica was already blaming herself despite Killgrave's hand pulling her strings. Now it's out in the open and of course Luke's gut reaction is to hate Jessica. Again though, this feels as though it was done JUST for that. Just to create this big moment of angst (which IS very Marvel, I suppose...). Still... They are doing the story well so far, so my complaints sound louder than they really are. [/BLACKOUT]

A real standout that is surprising to me is that... Jessica Jones herself hasn't gotten old yet to me. Normally these sort of ultra prickly types of characters that are all sharp elbow wear thin very soon for me. Let's put it this way... I found HOUSE M.D.'s schtick grating by season one, no matter how witty and keen an intellect he was. Jones has problems, man does she have problems. And... I don't think given the flashbacks we've seen that she was all that cuddly and sympathetic before Killgrave to begin with. For what ever reason though Ritter is getting me invested in her. Maybe it's because the tension she generates when Jones' sanguine alcohol filtered don't give a crap about anything attitude is challenged by her inner moral compass. She's not a caricature at all yet, but she's also not an easy person to like even if you understand why she is how she is given her life, even before Killgrave.

[BLACKOUT]I am REALLY curious as to what Killgrave wants with Jessica's childhood home?[/BLACKOUT]

Finally, a question for any and all:[BLACKOUT]The woman Luke was having an affair with said her husband hadn't hired Jessica. Ok... Maybe he's lying, sure but if he wasn't... Why was Jessica shadowing Luke to begin with? Did I miss something? Cuz if it's true, then Jessica was maybe keeping tabs on Luke out of guilt? But I thought her discovering Reva's picture in Luke's medicine cabinet was just coincidental. He JUST HAPPENED to be this person with a connection to her. If that isn't the case can anyone tell me if there was something I glossed over as to why Jessica was tailing Luke? Did I miss something?[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Snow Queen]

Finally, a question for any and all:[BLACKOUT]The woman Luke was having an affair with said her husband hadn't hired Jessica. Ok... Maybe he's lying, sure but if he wasn't... Why was Jessica shadowing Luke to begin with? Did I miss something? Cuz if it's true, then Jessica was maybe keeping tabs on Luke out of guilt? But I thought her discovering Reva's picture in Luke's medicine cabinet was just coincidental. He JUST HAPPENED to be this person with a connection to her. If that isn't the case can anyone tell me if there was something I glossed over as to why Jessica was tailing Luke? Did I miss something?[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]Unless I'm forgetting anything, yes she was keeping tabs on him for herself and not for a client. The show opened with that setup with the other people to make us think that's what was going on, but the wife photo was a for the audience reveal while for Jessica more of a painful reminder. It wasn't coincidence that he just happened to be the husband of the person she killed.

That is, of course, unless I'm forgetting something. Happens when binging 13 hours of a show in a day. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

[BLACKOUT]Unless I'm forgetting anything, yes she was keeping tabs on him for herself and not for a client. The show opened with that setup with the other people to make us think that's what was going on, but the wife photo was a for the audience reveal while for Jessica more of a painful reminder. It wasn't coincidence that he just happened to be the husband of the person she killed.

That is, of course, unless I'm forgetting something. Happens when binging 13 hours of a show in a day. [/BLACKOUT]

Okay...

[BLACKOUT]Well, for myself, I will consider this a bit of a misstep all around. I know it's a mystery show but... Damn, spell some **** out. Watching it so far it was so unclear on that for myself. So... She was keeping tabs on him out of guilt... Why? Also... In keeping tabs she never figured out his secret? And keeping tabs too what end? See... I just think it would have been better not to link the two this way, even if, yes, it was some well done drama. I mean, I really felt it when Luke called her "a piece of ****", but... Yeah, it feels a little too much. Angst for angst sake, though I suppose now I can't say it's too coincidental if she was keeping tabs out of guilt. I don't know... This was so far the biggest issue I have I think. I'll have to think on this a bit. [/BLACKOUT]

Thanks Queen.

 

[flickchick85]

Okay...

[BLACKOUT]Well, for myself, I will consider this a bit of a misstep all around. I know it's a mystery show but... Damn, spell some **** out. Watching it so far it was so unclear on that for myself. So... She was keeping tabs on him out of guilt... Why? Also... In keeping tabs she never figured out his secret? And keeping tabs too what end? See... I just think it would have been better not to link the two this way, even if, yes, it was some well done drama. I mean, I really felt it when Luke called her "a piece of ****", but... Yeah, it feels a little too much. Angst for angst sake, though I suppose now I can't say it's too coincidental if she was keeping tabs out of guilt. I don't know... This was so far the biggest issue I have I think. I'll have to think on this a bit. [/BLACKOUT]

Thanks Queen.

When they first met, Luke said Jessica was always hanging around but never coming in. I don't think she was spying on him so elaborately that she would have learned his secret, but she probably just looked him up one day and couldn't leave the place alone because she's masochistic that way. Ya ever see the movie Bounce? It's basically the entire plot of that, but as a footnote here, lol. Doesn't feel like a misstep to me. The misstep would have been if it was a coincidence.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

When they first met, Luke said Jessica was always hanging around but never coming in. I don't think she was spying on him so elaborately that she would have learned his secret, but she probably just looked him up one day and couldn't leave the place alone because she's masochistic that way. Ya ever see the movie Bounce? It's basically the entire plot of that, but as a footnote here, lol. Doesn't feel like a misstep to me. The misstep would have been if it was a coincidence.

Thinking on it a little... I see what they are doing. It's less now about the idea than the execution. I'm not sure the set up and revelation of this was handled as well as it could have been.

[BLACKOUT]I think this was something where they went for a "Let the viewers figure this out" when some very clear cut hand holding would have been better. I was asking the questions I did because I was paying attention, it just came off too mysterious, too opaque. Ruminating over it I am a bit better accepting it, just the execution could have been better with this element. That said... I'll take this show's second best attempts at execution over the silly sloppiness of Supergirl and even Flash.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Mike Murdock]

I thought it was pretty clear, personally. I don't know if it was clear by episode six, though, because it's hard to remember what episode was which, but I thought it was pretty clear, no extra hand-holding required.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

See, once once we saw Reva's picture along with Jessic it seemed more to come out of nowhere. I think they were holding things close to the chest, too much so, which is why it felt too coincidental, too convenient to me. They needed I think to lay those cards out more plainly. Even with a show like this you can go too far with the mystery.

This is a small critique mind you. The show does SO much at a great level of quality that I can call this a hiccup at best.

 

[storm-x-fan]

I get that Luke is angry, and he has every right to be. But he doesn't know Kilgrave, doesn't know what he can do to people, so it really is not right to treat Jessica the way he did. I get he's upset at the betrayal, but what was she supposed to say? "Hello, I killed your wife while being mind-controlled by a sadist bastard, now can I get a whiskey please?" I didn't like him calling her [BLACKOUT] a piece of **** [/BLACKOUT]. It's like victim blaming. If I remember the comics well, Luke was more understanding, right?

Other than that, this episode was brilliant.

 

[sabetoonth]

I didn't like it, but at the same time, overly emotional people don't have the best judgement.

 

[Lencho01]

Luke's final line... ouch.

The house deal was pretty surprising. I thought he was would've just taken it.