Senate Kills Minimum Wage Bill

[Addendum]

Lame, Addendum.

It's dinnertime, hence I mention I'm having ribs.

 

[Emrys]

As a person who has personally experienced that, I can't disagree with you there.

That is why I consider getting minimum wage in such a constelation adds only insult to injury. Before I would let myself fall that low I would rather stop working alltogether. After all if I can't pay for the basics I might as well enjoy my free time instead of wasting it on work.

 

[hippie_hunter]

That is why I consider getting minimum wage in such a constelation adds only insult to injury. Before I would let myself fall that low I would rather stop working alltogether. After all if I can't pay for the basics I might very well enjoy my free time instead of wasting it on work.

Hell on top of that I was told that I was being trained for a promotion the f**ker

 

[Emrys]

Hell on top of that I was told that I was being trained for a promotion the f**ker

That really sucks, kinda reminds me of a pal of mine who could claim a doctorate but was kept on short leash by his employer through the tool of "internship". He probably had more skill in one braincell than his employer had in his whole brain

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

So did anyone else get their minimum wage boosted??? It went from $5.15 to $6.85 here in Ohio.

 

[GarudA]

That is really poor compared to what it is here in the uk which is 5.35($10) and not forgeting all the other things that UK has better.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Of course it is but the UK doesn't have to deal with an extraordinary amount of illegal immigrants coming over and doing jobs for chump change. We really need to take serious action on this immigrant situation and send them all back so that the deserving people can get the fair wages they deserve.

 

[HellOnEarth]

Low productivity workers are already dismissed. I've sacked a few workers because they fail to grasp the simple concept that you do your job when you work.

I've no sympathy or concern for those who dick around on the clock

My man.

 

[HellOnEarth]

I really don't know much about economies and how they work.

I know there are all sorts of complications and stuff.

hahaha, if you don't have the time to learn, then don't f**king post.

read.

why is it so hard to read, kid? read all the f**king post, and educate yourself.

 

[Future Prez]

That is really poor compared to what it is here in the uk which is 5.35($10) and not forgeting all the other things that UK has better.

Yes, but aren't things over there more expensive? I know for a fact that gasoline is.

 

[celldog]

How can you be against raising the minimum wage? Families that live on it are struggling to survive. It hasn't been raised in almost ten years, yet the cost of living has gone up how much?

If you can sustain a family on minimum wage, it wouldn't be a "minimum wage"! It was never meant to do that! Plus you put the small business owner out of business. Then nobody has a job.

 

[rdh007]

If you can sustain a family on minimum wage, it wouldn't be a "minimum wage"! It was never meant to do that! Plus you put the small business owner out of business. Then nobody has a job.

What is it meant to do then? Encourage people to just go on welfare rather than work around the clock to not be able to feed/clothe their kids? I wish I felt bad for the small business owner, but there is something called "the cost of doing business".

 

[Darthphere]

Of course it is but the UK doesn't have to deal with an extraordinary amount of illegal immigrants coming over and doing jobs for chump change. We really need to take serious action on this immigrant situation and send them all back so that the deserving peoplecan get the fair wages they deserve.

And they arent deserving of what they make?

 

[Kritish]

I'm glad this bill failed. I'm opposed to raising the minimum wage and now is the time not to cut taxes.

You're against the minimum wage raise until you start making burgers at McEvil.

 

[Kritish]

And they arent deserving of what they make?

They deserve the right to work in Mexico, they can immigrate the legal way and become citizens.

 

[Darthphere]

I wish I saw the world as black and white as you do.

 

[lazur]

What is it meant to do then? Encourage people to just go on welfare rather than work around the clock to not be able to feed/clothe their kids? I wish I felt bad for the small business owner, but there is something called "the cost of doing business".

If you're 30, with kids, working for minimum wage, then something is seriously wrong with YOU. It means you've never held down a job to get to the point where your pay has increased to something more substantive, which means you lack motivation and desire for success.

While I agree that the minimum wage is probably too low, I disagree that it should be at the level at which someone can live and raise children. It's outlandish to expect employers to pay what you're suggesting, and doing so would only INCREASE unemployment across the country. So instead of having mostly everyone working, you'll wind up with a good portion of the population NOT working so that the ones who are can "live it up" when they didn't earn it.

 

[Addendum]

What is it meant to do then? Encourage people to just go on welfare rather than work around the clock to not be able to feed/clothe their kids? I wish I felt bad for the small business owner, but there is something called "the cost of doing business".

Funny. I thought minimum wage was for "entry-level" positions, and that the worker actually does their job and earns a raise or a promotion based on their job performance, instead of spending 30 years as a bagger or cart guy at the local grocery store and waiting for congress to bump your pay.

 

[tomahawk53]

Funny. I thought minimum wage was for "entry-level" positions, and that the worker actually does their job and earns a raise or a promotion based on their job performance, instead of spending 30 years as a bagger or cart guy at the local grocery store and waiting for congress to bump your pay.

That's just crazy talk man! t:

 

[kainedamo]

This is the way I see it.

The minimum wage in the US hasn't been raised in, what, 10 years or more? And yet, the cost of livng rises steadily.

The purpose of the minimum wage is that a person should be ale to get their bare necessities out of it. That means food, rent, electric - the basics. The minimum wage in the US is not adequate.

What is just so, so strange to me is the amount of people in the US adamantly opposed to raising the minimum wage. "Get a better job", people yell. For so many people, it just isn't that simple. The gap between the rich and poor gets ever wider.

 

[lazur]

The purpose of the minimum wage is that a person should be ale to get their bare necessities out of it. That means food, rent, electric - the basics. The minimum wage in the US is not adequate.

And this is where you'd be wrong. The minimum wage is not intended to be enough to get even the bare necessities. Should it be? Who knows, that's a different topic. But I will say that if that suddenly were the case, and employers were forced to pay their employees enough to "sustain" a household, the unemployment rate would suddenly be astronomical. The minimum wage is *intended* as an entry level, bare minimum amount that employers *must* pay so they're not engaged in slave labor, period. Anything else read into that is over and above the original intent for having a minimum wage.

 

[kainedamo]

I'm not talking about people living at the Ritz, though. I'm talking about one bedroom flats with one tv and one telephone. In an ideal world, the minimum wage should be enough for at least that much.

There are alot of people that can't get better than minimum wage. For example, people out of prison. It's very difficult for people that are just out of prison to get decent jobs. People that live in crap areas with crap schools. Etc.

I don't know. Look at the stats or something. If the amount of people in the US living on the edge of poverty is too high, then the minimum wage is clearly too low.

 

[Addendum]

Minimum Wage is for ENTRY LEVEL jobs. The bagger at the grocery store. The cart pusher at the grocery store. The guy who tears tickets at the movie theater. Flipping burgers at a fast food joint.

Those jobs are not designed to be long-term positions. If a person does not move up in the workforce, it's not the company's fault. It's the individual worker.

How does one move up in a career? Show up on time, or even early. Take initiative in doing work i.e. don't wait to be told when something needs to be done. Doing your job to the best of your abilities, even when no one is paying attention. Finding something to do when it's slow.

After a while, your boss will notice and you'll probably get a raise or promotion.

 

[lazur]

I'm not talking about people living at the Ritz, though. I'm talking about one bedroom flats with one tv and one telephone. In an ideal world, the minimum wage should be enough for at least that much.

There are alot of people that can't get better than minimum wage. For example, people out of prison. It's very difficult for people that are just out of prison to get decent jobs. People that live in crap areas with crap schools. Etc.

I don't know. Look at the stats or something. If the amount of people in the US living on the edge of poverty is too high, then the minimum wage is clearly too low.

Sure, in a perfect world, employers could pay their employees enough and it wouldn't break the economy and send the unemployment rate through the roof. But this isn't a perfect world.

Right now, the unemployment rate is about 4.5%, which is pretty low. However, if the dems go ahead and manage to raise the minimum wage, you will see that rise signficantly, and they're not even wanting to raise it that much. (I wonder if everyone will blame Bush for that?)

And for some reason, I can't really find any sympathy for the plight of ex cons. I guess, if they were all that concerned about "making it" financially and being accepted by society, they should have never committed a crime in the first place?

 

[Addendum]

The only kind of ex-cons I do have sympathy for are the ones who didn't commit the crime, but still served time for it.

I think it was about last year, a 55 year old man was released after serving 25 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit. The crime? Raping and killing a 12 year old girl. DNA evidence proved that he wasn't the rapist/killer.