Senate Kills Minimum Wage Bill

[RedIsNotBlue]

Wikipedia is reputable?!?!? Okay this conversation needs to come to an end it will never end...lol.

 

[Hotwire]

First, read up on what an Economy is and how to measure it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy

Next, read this CNN article about how the DOW Jones hit a record high last month: http://money.cnn.com/2006/10/03/markets/markets_0130/

Next, read this CNN article on how the unemployment rate is at a 5 year low: http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/03/news/economy/jobs_october/index.htm

That's as straight forward as it gets. If you still believe the economy sucks, you're not able to see reason, and therefore debating with you is pointless.

(And take note that I'm giving you links to reputable sources - not obscure sites with a political agenda.)

Cheers.

If you don't own stock, the DOW Jones doesn't really effect you all that much. Just because the unemployment rate is down, doesn't mean these are the same level jobs that people lost when the current administration allowed American corporations to ship the jobs overseas. The way I judge how well the economy is doing, is by how well I AM DOING. If my life is getting harder while my income stays the same, then the economy is not so hot, and vice versa. The economy is not as good a rich republicans would like us to believe.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

If you don't own stock, the DOW Jones doesn't really effect you all that much. Just because the unemployment rate is down, doesn't mean these are the same level jobs that people lost when the current administration allowed American corporations to ship the jobs overseas. The way I judge how well the economy is doing, is by how well I AM DOING. If my life is getting harder while my income stays the same, then the economy is not so hot, and vice versa. The economy is not as good a rich republicans would like us to believe.

Wow. Somebody who makes sense.

 

[Hotwire]

Can anyone explain why republicans do not feel the need to raise the minimum wage in this country, but feel the need to raise their own inflated salaries?

 

[Hotwire]

Wow. Somebody who makes sense.

Hey, I try.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Because raising the minimum wage raises prices in goods which completely destroys the purpose of raising the minimum wage. They are spending the same percentage of their money for food, gas, clothing, etc. The lower class remains the same with no benefit at all. Rasing the minimum wage can result in lay-offs due to the rising costs of production and labor.

Raising the minimum wage negatively affects the middle and upper classes by raising the prices of goods and they don't have an increase of income (which they don't need). As a result, a higher percentage of their income goes to basic needs.

raising the minimum wage rediestributes the wealth so the poor aren't so poor. that's all it does. it would help the poor dramatically. think about it. how many products does a company sell a day or even an hour? take burger king for example. if they give their employees 7 dollars an hour how much do they have to increase their prices? pennies per burger? you think the poor wont have more money left over after buying food?

what about their rent? car payments?

their spending power will increase, because prices will not go up faster than their new income. their income would increase by like 20%. the prices of the products they buy would not go up 20%, because the companies making up for the costs would spread that cost evenly over everything they sell. in the case of a restaurant or a retail store your talking about pennies per product.

 

[Hotwire]

You're late to the discussion. Minimum wage should be whatever it needs to be to ensure that the unemployment rate doesn't go through the roof. The higher the minimum wage, the more people who are out of work because companies cannot afford to pay them all.

Try reading the last few pages.

Try living on minimum wage, you bully! Better yet, try being a single mother who has to work 3 jobs at minimum wage just to support herself and her child. Try that and then come back and tell me that $5.15 is high enough! You make me sick!

*edit* Just so you know, working 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, at minimum wage will earn you $45,114.00 before taxes. I guess that's sufficient, if you don't need to sleep, or eat, or do anything but work. Oh, and a normal 40 hour work week would earn you $10,712/year if you never took any time off.

 

[Addendum]

But again, minimum wage jobs are not meant to raise or support a family or be a career.

If a person doesn't merit a raise from minimum wage without government involvement, then that person is a ****ty worker.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

But again, minimum wage jobs are not meant to raise or support a family or be a career.

If a person doesn't merit a raise from minimum wage without government involvement, then that person is a ****ty worker.

Your acting as if everyone has plentiful job choices and every company and manager gives a raise when the worker is doing well. The store I work for example the manager is one of the cheapest guys. We get paid minimum wage and if we make a mistake with money (our fault or machine fault) it gets taken out of our next check and if we aren't that busy he just sends me home early whether we want or not.

 

[Addendum]

I'm saying don't be foolish and start a family when you flip burgers at McDonalds or push carts at the localy walmart.

I've had plenty of ****ty jobs, and I'm at a mediocre job currently. But in between that time, I busted my ass looking for work. I lost count how many white socks turned blood red because I spent all day looking for work.

If someone else doesn't take their work ethic seriously where they have to rely on others to improve their condition in life instead of pulling up their bootstraps and busting their ass and earning or meriting it, **** em.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I think your looking at the situation rather black and white there are many people in various situations that makes it difficult. But hey that is your opinion and if feel that way let your voice be heard.

 

[Addendum]

But if someone can barely make a living earning minimum wage, why the hell do they start a family of their own?

That's the part I don't get.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

But if someone can barely make a living earning minimum wage, why the hell do they start a family of their own?

That's the part I don't get.

Your acting as if it is that easy. Girls accidentally get pregnant all the time and there just are (but according to you they just aren't busting their asses enough) people out there that just can't find a decent high paying job and they have to settle for a minimum wage job. I am not saying that there aren't people out there that you describe but there is also people out there that just need to be paid more and probably have a difficult life. I think it is far too complicated to just say "Oh you bust your ass or you don't".

 

[Spider-Bite]

Originally Posted by lazur
First, read up on what an Economy is and how to measure it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy

Next, read this CNN article about how the DOW Jones hit a record high last month: http://money.cnn.com/2006/10/03/markets/markets_0130/

Next, read this CNN article on how the unemployment rate is at a 5 year low: http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/03/news...ober/index.htm

That's as straight forward as it gets. If you still believe the economy sucks, you're not able to see reason, and therefore debating with you is pointless.

(And take note that I'm giving you links to reputable sources - not obscure sites with a political agenda.)

Cheers.

your forgetting that the poverty rate has gone up every single year since Bush became president. millions now live in poverty that didn't before his economic practices went into effect.

the amount of wealth in america is good, but when you look at the amount of wealth in the lower and midle classes its not so good.

 

[Addendum]

Accidentally get pregnant.

So they slip and fall on the penis, which leads to another fluke and impregnates the female?

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Accidentally get pregnant.

So they slip and fall on the penis, which leads to another fluke and impregnates the female?

Ever hear of condoms breaking??? Come on don't be a dick. (Semi-pun intended.)

 

[hippie_hunter]

your forgetting that the poverty rate has gone up every single year since Bush became president. millions now live in poverty that didn't before his economic practices went into effect.

Actually poverty has gone up about 1-2% since Bush took office. And it wasn't because of his policies. It was because the economy took a turn for the worse right when his administration began. The stock market went down, unemployment went up, consumers were buying less, etc. It's the economic cycle that does it, not the government.

Bush's policies just don't help the poor, they tend to help the rich. His policies aren't the cause of it, they just tend to rub salt into the wound already created, and then laugh at it.

the amount of wealth in america is good, but when you look at the amount of wealth in the lower and midle classes its not so good.

I'm middle class and I've got it pretty damn good.

 

[Hotwire]

Accidentally get pregnant.

So they slip and fall on the penis, which leads to another fluke and impregnates the female?

You missed my example. I've met plenty of women who made some poor choices when it came to boyfriends. They end up pregnant, he takes off. Now, she's got a child and limited time. The only places that offer that kind of schedule flexability are minimum wage jobs. And besides, if you work a 40 hour work week, that's $206.00 for the week. What can you honestly do with that, even if you're a single person living alone in a one bedroom apt..

 

[SLVRSR4]

My step dad is a republican and my mom is democrat and the stories i get are so clouded on both sides. It is similar to the ones on this page i have read. I must admit that my stepdad has much more passion in his speech which leads me to believe him more. That pun was great by the wayt: If the bill were to pass i would probably not see anything bad by it so I would be for it.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I'm saying don't be foolish and start a family when you flip burgers at McDonalds or push carts at the localy walmart.

I've had plenty of ****ty jobs, and I'm at a mediocre job currently. But in between that time, I busted my ass looking for work. I lost count how many white socks turned blood red because I spent all day looking for work.

If someone else doesn't take their work ethic seriously where they have to rely on others to improve their condition in life instead of pulling up their bootstraps and busting their ass and earning or meriting it, **** em.

1. are you saying they should just have an abortion?

2. Are you saying our leaders should not make the best choices for our economy?

3. what kind of standards do you believe in for America? poverty or no poverty?

just be clear where you stand and admit your pro-poverty.

 

[Addendum]

1. are you saying they should just have an abortion?

Perhaps they should have thought about how they will support a child when they open their legs and ****.

2. Are you saying our leaders should not make the best choices for our economy?

When have they? You forget that I'm a cynic and consider our "leaders" make ******s look like geniuses.

3. what kind of standards do you believe in for America?

None.

poverty or no poverty?

I prefer hard work instead of waiting for the government to help out.

just be clear where you stand and admit your pro-poverty.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Well with Bush and most republicans an abortion is very difficult these days. He would rather people have more and more unwanted children because of his religion. We need to get to these overly religious viewpoints that our affecting our country out of the White House now.

 

[celldog]

What is it meant to do then? Encourage people to just go on welfare rather than work around the clock to not be able to feed/clothe their kids? I wish I felt bad for the small business owner, but there is something called "the cost of doing business".

It is meant to give people the "some" financial income while they make the necessary adjustments to improve their own lives!! Go to school......get a trade.....there is no excuse to "WANT" to live on minimum wage!


Small businesses are the back bone of this country. They can't afford large salaries! The cost of doing business still requires controls.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Perhaps they should have thought about how they will support a child when they open their legs and ****.

So I guess your saying ban sex as something for pure enjoyment. Sounds like a good way to live. Only middle class people can have sex now everyone sorry.

 

[Addendum]

So I guess your saying ban sex as something for pure enjoyment. Sounds like a good way to live. Only middle class people can have sex now everyone sorry.

No, think before you ****.

I'm just thinking aloud. Isn't thinking allowed?