Senate Kills Minimum Wage Bill

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yes but I was just replying to the ridiculous thought.

I'm just replying aloud. Isn't replying allowed?

 

[Addendum]

So it's ridiculous to think that ****ing could lead to a kid? And it's also ridiculous to think how can one support this possible child?

There's nothing ridiculous in planning ahead, and pondering the consequences of one's actions. What is ridiculous is not doing so and then expecting others to pick up your slack.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I am saying 2 partners can go into the act using measures to PREVENT pregnancy and sometimes it just fails. That is the ridiculous thing to basically call people stupid for a broken condom or what have you. And then there is the whole situation of rape but hey this conversation could go off on all kinds of tangents but you feel one way and so do I so let us try to stop. And where did this others picking up the slack come from?? Nobody is talking about that. I am talking about people getting paid a fair wage in the same area as the cost of living. People are still working I don't get how that is picking up someones slack. I have the ultimate solution. Take the money away from Uwe Boll's next movie budget and divide it amongst the people.

 

[Addendum]

It's not the government's responsibility to give worker's raises.

Unless the government was the Soviet Union

 

[lazur]

Try living on minimum wage, you bully! Better yet, try being a single mother who has to work 3 jobs at minimum wage just to support herself and her child. Try that and then come back and tell me that $5.15 is high enough! You make me sick!

*edit* Just so you know, working 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, at minimum wage will earn you $45,114.00 before taxes. I guess that's sufficient, if you don't need to sleep, or eat, or do anything but work. Oh, and a normal 40 hour work week would earn you $10,712/year if you never took any time off.

You obviously have a hard time comprehending common sense. My explaining it by rephrasing the same thing over and over again doesn't seem to be working. However, I'll make one last attempt before I give up on this silly thread:

You cannot raise the minimum wage without ALSO raising the unemployment rate. Now, please tell me W...T...F is so hard to understand about that??

We're not talking about BELIEFS here. We're talking SIMPLE ECONOMICS. You want to raise the minimum wage, which is ENTRY LEVEL PAY - not something a mother of three would be making in the first place - then fine, but BE PREPARED for more people to be unemployed.

And to the response about Bush shipping jobs overseas and the quality of jobs being less than they were before, where in the **** is the evidence of that? What is that, some talking point you heard on TV somewhere??

And finally, to the people claiming only republicans are rich, are you stupid or something? On what, exactly, are you basing that ridiculous OPINION anyway?

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Your right. It's the governments job to charge us into a false pretenses war that wastes money, time, and American lives while keeping our country in a historic deficit.

 

[Addendum]

The government's job by default is to be efficient at being inefficient

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yep and Bush somehow exceeded many other presidents in that area.

 

[lazur]

Your acting as if it is that easy. Girls accidentally get pregnant all the time and there just are (but according to you they just aren't busting their asses enough) people out there that just can't find a decent high paying job and they have to settle for a minimum wage job. I am not saying that there aren't people out there that you describe but there is also people out there that just need to be paid more and probably have a difficult life. I think it is far too complicated to just say "Oh you bust your ass or you don't".

You know, I'm wondering how old you are anyway? You can't write to save your life, so I'm assuming you're either young or just uneducated.

If you're young and you work at a store for minimum wage, that explains a lot about your opinion. But even if you're older and work at a store for minimum wage, that also explains a lot about your opinion. (After all, retail jobs are entry level unless you're in management. So if you're in an entry level job as an older person, then I have to ask how you got yourself into that position in the first place?)

Sounds like you want something for nothing. You want your manager to give you some raise to 45,000 a year without actually doing anything to earn it.

If you're older, why didn't you go to college? Ever hear of student loans? If you're younger and working at a store, well that's the target group of employees for minimum wage.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I can't write to save my life? Sorry that I don't proofread and use exact and proper grammar on a superhero hype messageboard...lol. I am 20 and work at a videostore. And you want to know something and your not going to believe me. I am not really arguing on my own behalf but I know people in my family who have it tough and this affects them and they are good people. Oh yeah and thanks for calling me dumb in a nice way I appreciate it. And I am just curious what do you have to say to the people in New Orleans when Hurricane Katrina struck? Listen we obviously just have different unchanging viewpoints so it is just going to be dueling banjos back and forth with it but continue if you want I have a hard time not replying back to someone.

 

[lazur]

I can't write to save my life? Sorry that I don't proofread and use exact and proper grammar on a superhero hype messageboard...lol. I am 20 and work at a videostore. And you want to know something and your not going to believe me. I am not really arguing on my own behalf but I know people in my family who have it tough and this affects them and they are good people. Oh yeah and thanks for calling me dumb in a nice way I appreciate it. And I am just curious what do you have to say to the people in New Orleans when Hurricane Katrina struck? Listen we obviously just have different unchanging viewpoints so it is just going to be dueling banjos back and forth with it but continue if you want I have a hard time not replying back to someone.

You're 20 years old. You're just a baby and you haven't really experienced the real world yet. Are you in college? If not, why not?

And when I say you can't write to save your life, I'm talking about your constant use of "your" for "you're". It's a simple thing, but it's also annoying and says something about someone who does it repeatedly.

And I'm not disagreeing that there are people who are older who make crap money. However, those people have to ask themselves how they got into that situation. Are they mentally or physically handicapped? That's really the only excuse for being older than 25 and still making minimum wage, but even then there are EOE rights they have to assist in their job search so they can make better money than that.

I'm 35. In all my years, I've never met a single mother of even one who was older than 25 and still making minimum wage, so I really think you're exaggerating when you try to make a claim like that.

As to the Katrina victims, they should be helped. They were devastated through no fault of their own. Thus, I'm not really sure why you would even attempt to draw a parallel between people who were victims of a natural disaster, and left homeless, to people who are simply victims of their own poor decisions in life. I don't equate someone at 30 years old making minimum wage as suffering his own personal Katrina.

Besides, I'd have to see some statistical data that breaks down by age those who currently make minimum wage. I'm sure that if that exists somewhere, it will show that people in YOUR age group are who primarily make minimum wage and that older people (25 and older) make considerably more, even if they didn't go to college. And if that's the case, which I really believe it is, then minimum wage is doing exactly what it's supposed to do.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Agree to disagree I choose not exhaust myself with it anymore. Bush is doing good for you and I don't think he is doing good for the majority of America. Okay now I am really going to try and walk away now.

 

[lazur]

Actually, I found the information. Agree to disagree all you want, but you can't argue with the statistics:

http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2004.htm

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Actually, I found the information. Agree to disagree all you want, but you can't argue with the statistics:

http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2004.htm

Sorry but you saying Wikipedia is a reliable source ruined it. Apparently the statistics and percentages I show are just no good but whatever.

 

[lazur]

Sorry but you saying Wikipedia is a reliable source ruined it. Apparently the statistics and percentages I show are just no good but whatever.

The only use for Wikipedia in my post was to explain what an economy actually is, and Wikipedia was a perfect source for explaining just how an economy is defined. The two OTHER links I posted, which contained the actual information about THIS economy, were from CNN.

You already know that, however, so at this point instead of actually formulating a valid counter to what I'm telling you, you're choosing to be ignorant.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I already had "formulated a valid counter" by providing you links to information which I think is valid and sharing my own personal experiences with other people. But I guess anyone who sees things differently than you is ignorant. I agree with you that the economy is benefiting alot of people right now (I don't understand how that is being ignorant?) but for the majority it is not going by things I have seen or heard statistically. You refuse to look at any of the statistics or percentages I provide and your just going to call them unreliable no matter what so what is the use. Like I have said countless times already you agree with it so your going to go along with it and I don't so I am not it that is what it all comes down to.

 

[lazur]

I already had "formulated a valid counter" by providing you links to information which I think is valid and sharing my own personal experiences with other people. But I guess anyone who sees things differently than you is ignorant. I agree with you that the economy is benefiting alot of people right now (I don't understand how that is being ignorant?) but for the majority it is not going by things I have seen or heard statistically. You refuse to look at any of the statistics or percentages I provide and your just going to call them unreliable no matter what so what is the use. Like I have said countless times already you agree with it so your going to go along with it and I don't so I am not it that is what it all comes down too.

Umm, the only thing I called you ignorant on was your pointing out that I used Wiki as a "source" when I did not. I used it to explain how an "economy" is defined, and for that purpose it's just fine. I used CNN as my "source".

And I did look at the links you put in your post. You're comparing Bush to Clinton, which is apples to oranges. Clinton didn't have to deal with 9/11 and what it did the the economy. For Christ's sake, they knocked down the two buildings CENTRAL to our economy, yet under Bush it's still doing pretty good. The charts you posted did nothing but affirm what I've been saying all along - the economy is fine. I never said it's *better* than it was under Clinton, did I? No, I said it's doing fine. There's a difference.

Just because YOU are making minimum wage, it doesn't mean the economy is terrible. Unless you're seriously trying to say that under Clinton absolutely NO ONE was on minimum wage, which is completely ridiculous.

Point being, you can't just look at your own little circle of life and make sweeping conclusions about the rest of the country. There is life beyond what you see and experience, and for the most part it's pretty damned good.

But hey, think what you want. I'm not criticizing you for believing what you want to believe. But I am saying that you're still young, very much still a young adult, only two years out of high school, and still quite inexperienced with the real world. That's not your fault - that's just how it is.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

*Sighs*

I WASN'T MAKING CONCLUSIONS BASED ON MY LIFE. That is just part of it. I am also making conclusions based from the internet, television, and radio. I guess they are just brainwashing me with unreliable information. Go to youtube.com and watch Bill Maher and some Dennis Miller stuff because a huge chunk of what they say I agree with. That is how I pretty much feel and maybe I am just a horrible speaker and at getting my points across. And just to make one thing very clear this is not a Democrat vs. Republican agenda. I hate labeling yourself one thing and then going along with it it is a very dangerous thing.

 

[Darthphere]

Oh awesome, Lazur is being condescending at someone because hes younger than him. Never seen that before!

 

[Extromaniac]

This proves it! Republicans don't give a **** about us hard-working, pre-collegiate workers who are working for grits and bread crumbs! REVOLUTIOOOOOOONNNN!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hotwire]

Just to set the record straight. Hawaii has a minimum wage of $6.75 and just voted to raise it to $7.25. Now, using lazur's logic, they should be just overwhelmed with unemployment, but they have the lowest rate in the county at 2.5%. Weird, huh lazur? Another nifty piece of information, Michigan and Mississippi have the highest unemployment rates at 7.1% and 7.2% resepectively, yet Michigan's minimum wage is $5.15 and Mississippi has no state minimum wage law. Now how do those facts support your logic, lazur??

 

[JLBats]

You're just a baby and you haven't really experienced the real world yet.

Holy ****.

 

[Extromaniac]

I hate Iowa, the minimum wage here is $5.25-40 , I think. And that's basically what all businesses around here opt to pay anyone who hasn't been there for a decade. It's ridiculous.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Just to set the record straight. Hawaii has a minimum wage of $6.75 and just voted to raise it to $7.25. Now, using lazur's logic, they should be just overwhelmed with unemployment, but they have the lowest rate in the county at 2.5%. Weird, huh lazur? Another nifty piece of information, Michigan and Mississippi have the highest unemployment rates at 7.1% and 7.2% resepectively, yet Michigan's minimum wage is $5.15 and Mississippi has no state minimum wage law. Now how do those facts support your logic, lazur??

Well according to him if your younger than he is then you don't know what the **** your talking about and anything you say or point out isn't valid.

 

[Hotwire]

Let me ask you this, lazur, how can congress justify raising their own salaries numerous times without thinking folks who are trying get themselves started in the world don't deserve to make more than $5.15/hour?