Sending money to relatives

I'm pretty sure your parents might be a factor of why you have trouble with the rest of your finances.

oh trust me... I'm sure it is... my mom is always SCREAMING at me about money... and how me and my siblings as children are the reason they are in debt.... because of vacations and x-mas gifts... because apparently, at the age of 8... i should have been telling them to save money instead of spending it on gifts for me, or my 5 year old sister....

of course, when I tell her this, she cries saying that "she must have been a terrible terrible mother"...

I mean, it's Tony Soprano's mother IMO, the way she acts....

infact, I got off the phone with her this morning, because my grandpa updated his will... and she's afraid he's going to give his money to us, his grandkids, and cut them short or out of it... and she again, going on about all this debt she's in because of us, and how we need to give it them when it happens
 
Yeah, I'm positive you're financially screwed up based on that. =/

You might wanna look at how you handle money next time, think of how your mom would do it, then decide to NOT do it that way. XD!!
 
teh fact that she drives around a BRAND NEW car, and my dad, who works his ass off, drives a car that was his dads and is 20 years old...

600 a month car payment

then she complains about debt?
 
ahura,

kudos for you wanting to help your family out, i'd definitely consider it if it was in my means, and i do help them when i can. but sometimes you can't be too sure.

for instance, my bro likes to borrow money and never pays it back, however if you borrow 5 bucks, he's hounding you til he gets it. he blows his money and is irrresponsible so i dont help him with his bills any more. i'm not financially in a place where i can risk him blowing my money on stupid crap. i've asked him to give me the direct payment info to make a payment for him or suggested we go to the place together and make a payment and he declines. when he does this i know he's blowing it.

i'd recommend like someone else said, send it money order. it's safer than sending cash and you can track it to make sure they get it
 
I am going to send something. It is just more of a question on how I send it. In my case, the family member is part of my immediate family eventhough I am estranged from that person and have been for over 20 years.

This is an absolute no. If they were a close relative, it would be completely different. Considering that you have called him and he's made no effort to be close or keep it touch at least, it seems that he knows you have money and is just using you for that.

I wouldn't think twice about it if a distant relative of mine ask me for money. Sure, that person is your family, but they are just like any other person. Think about it. If you had a friend that you barely kept in contact with for twenty years and he all of a sudden needed some money, would you be inclined to give it to him?
 
thats why i would suggest offering to just pay the people/company directly. it sounds like you really want to lend the money, but at least if you paid the bill directly you'd know where you money really will go
 
thats why i would suggest offering to just pay the people/company directly. it sounds like you really want to lend the money, but at least if you paid the bill directly you'd know where you money really will go

The problem is still that it could lead to this relative asking for more, which is what his fiance is concerned about. I would be too. To just ask for money out of the blue when you have had little to no contact for a long time is unacceptable.
 
i totally agree. i'd rather go without than ask people for money, but ill help some one who needs it.

there's a chance they'll ask again, there's a chance they won't but it sounds like Ahura wants to take that chance. i'm just very wary that this person and you have hardly spoken in years and now they want money.
 
My father has disowned an uncle of mine for a huge loan to start a business. My cousin is mentally challenged so my uncle wanted to establish a business for him, but he has still not returned the money. And the guy is a physician. Be cautious when loaning out to family members unless its well planned out and take every precaution.
 
Wow, really touchy issue.

Since you said you already have a pretty much nonexistent relationship with this person, can I assume it's not just a case of drifting apart for no reason? Can we basically assume there is a reason you are estranged from them? If so, that alone tells me you should probably simply send them whatever amount of cash you are comfortable sending, with a note saying you will help out this time (especially if it's true as some folks said that you have plenty of cash so it won't be a burden on you), but that they should really not ask for any more money because you'll just not respond.

Then inform them it's not a "loan", that you are giving them this money to help out because they need it, they are family, and you can afford it at the moment. If they still chose to send you money to repay the debt, great. If not, though, you've already assumed it won't be paid back. I agree strongly with Majic Walrus on this, just assume it won't be paid back. And tell them you don't want it paid back.

I've had family members ask me for money. Sometimes it's someone I totally trust and I don't even think about loaning or giving them the money. Usually, it's for a temporary thing like not having enough to pay a dinner bill or something immediate like that, where I get paid back within a day or so. Other times I've had a sibling ask for a loan for bills, and I made the loan to one of them but not to others. The ones I refused were due to having a very strained relationship and suspecting they wouldn't pay bills but would instead buy drugs with it. I recommend NEVER giving money to family or friends if you have any suspicion that the money is going to anything other than what you're told it's for.

If you know for sure it's really a need for money to pay bills, is it a situation that will improve in the future, or will it just recur as a problem for them again? Will they make good decisions about how best to use the money in their bill situation? And do they have kids who will be harmed if they don't get the financial assistance? If they really need it for bills and will apply the money properly, and if there are also kids involved, then that's important. Is the cause of your estrangement something of a serious nature -- abuse, for example -- or is it just a more typical family estrangement issue? If it's the latter, then it doesn't mean they are a bad person or someone you don't care about at all, right? You can love someone in your family even if you don't like them. So wanting to help a person truly in need (and especially if kids are involved) can outweigh personal dislike.

If the sum is a large amount, and you are willing to provide it, making it a gift instead of a loan has the added benefit of not creating additional tension in an already strained relationship. Even among friends and family you are on good terms with, a sizeable "loan" that is expected to be paid back can make things weird if they are unable to pay it back as soon as expected, and there's the awkwardness of whether they mention it or you do, it can cause resentments (even if you don't want it to, it's sometimes hard to help feeling that way, and it could be them who feel resentment over feeling embarrassed or guilty etc, it might be irrational but humans are humans and we feel irrational things sometimes).

It's worth also remembering, though, that your fiancee should actually have some say in the matter -- you're going to be married, and financial decisions (regardless of who makes the most money, keeping separate finances, whatever) should be joint decisions even when or especially when it's family and friends. It can cause tensions and resentments between you and your partner, the repercussions (family getting upset or resentful, asking for more money, etc) will affect your fiancee as much as you, and you should ask yourself if doing this for your family member is worth the potential disagreements and potential fallout that could unduly affect your relationship with your fiancee. People tend to think "it's my money, it's my family" but you're making a life with this other person and how your decision affects the two of you is important.

If you give the money, you might want to talk to your fiancee and ask what would make them feel comfortable with the loan. Ask them to set parameters for the situation, what sort of amount they are most comfortable with, and assure them you want to make the decision in a way that you are both able to accept. Tell them you will make it clear to your family that this is absolutely a one-time thing, and that if another request for money does come then you will refuse it.

I suspect part of your fiancee's reluctance is due to the nature of your relationship with this family member, mixed with some resentment that the family member would ask you for money despite your strained relationship. And your fiancee also likely sees this as a sort of test-run for how things could play out when you are married if you are caught between a family request and your fiancee's disagreement with it. Right or wrong, it probably appears to your fiancee to be a question of whether your strained relationship with a family member is still going to outweigh your good relationship with your fiancee. Competing wishes.

It'd be much easier if there are kids involved and if the estrangement isn't due to anything that makes them a really bad person. Your fiancee would probably be much easier to convince to come to some sort of compromise if they understand the kid aspect and that your dislike for this relative isn't due to a really big issue that goes to the relative's character. And, if it is a more typical family estrangement problem (they acted like a jerk a lot, they were insensitive, they make a lot of bad decisions and expect other family to bail them out, etc) then there is the chance that this could, if you want it to, be the start of overcoming some of that estrangement to at least have a more normal, distant but not poisoned relationship with the relative. That would be another big motivating factor that could really be important to explain to your finacee, too.

It's a pain, but it's very common and can be frustrating if it's not handled delicately and in a way clearly demonstrating to your fiancee that you value their wishes and want to find a way to make them happy with the decision. That is in fact probably ultimately where the real issue lies anyway between you and your fiancee. Help them understand, avoid making it an argument, and demonstrate that you really do want them to be comfortable with the decision, that's my best advice. Sorry it's so long.

Best of luck!

Thank you for this very well thought out post :up:

My only worry here is that this could be a recurring thing because I do not see a potential resoltion. My fiancee feels that this is just a test case and that the next request will be 4 0s and not just 3.

She is worried that I will still do it whereas we could have significantly increased expenses in the future. I have already made my decision to send this amount which I do not consider significant enough to not to but I also did tell her that if any futher decision came up regarding giving money to this person involving 3 0s I would only do it if we both agree to it (I will be honest but I did that only after reading this post).
 
The problem is still that it could lead to this relative asking for more, which is what his fiance is concerned about. I would be too. To just ask for money out of the blue when you have had little to no contact for a long time is unacceptable.


i totally agree. i'd rather go without than ask people for money, but ill help some one who needs it.

there's a chance they'll ask again, there's a chance they won't but it sounds like Ahura wants to take that chance. i'm just very wary that this person and you have hardly spoken in years and now they want money.

You are both right. This estranged person is somebody very close biologically to me. The prson was born very rich and lost everything because of the revolution and bad business decisions made immediately afterwards. I stopped spending any significant time with this person when I was underage because of issues we had which did not involve money. Afterwards I had very little contact with this person. And any contact we had was something I generally instigated.

Now I know how precarious their situation is and largely because of a sickness of this person's partner who was one of the reasons we became estranged. And the amount I will send may tide them over for a month but it is not anything significant which will change their future.
 
I don't know any of my relatives enough to give them money. I'd be upset if they asked me at thanksgiving or something because that's the only time I see relatives that live near me.
 
1. Don't expect it back.
2. It is very possible they will come back to you again.

That's about all I can say. I've "loaned" money to family, and I've had it "loaned" to me. Family rarely pays it back, but on the other hand, family does help each other out. I've lent money to my brother-in-law, and he's lent it to me. My father once gave me fair amount of money and told me this, "This money I'm giving you isn't mine and you can't keep it. My father gave it to me when I needed it, and you'll give it to your kids one day when they need it."
 
I'd be inclined to ask in more depth why they cannot afford their own bills. Do they have jobs? If so how is 2 peoples wages not sufficiant to support themselves? Usually such things hint at irresponsible spending on things not needed..

Its really up to yourself, if you can afford to lose the money & never see it again then seeing as its family you should help. But at the same time you should make it quite clear you don't expect the money to be paid back, but it is a one time deal & you cannot afford to bail them out every month.
 
My only worry here is that this could be a recurring thing because I do not see a potential resoltion. My fiancee feels that this is just a test case and that the next request will be 4 0s and not just 3.

Your fiancee is probably right, and you're probably right in thinking it'll recur. If you help them this month, what is going to change that makes them able to pay their bills next month? You said the money won't change their future, and it sounds like their problems are longer term than just this one time. So what reason will there be to help this month that won't also be true next month? Even if they don't explicitly ask for money again, or if it remains in the 3-digit range, any reasons you have for helping out this month will still apply next month. Just as there's no likely resolution for them after this month, there's also none from your perspective in terms of why to send more money.

If they do ask again later, and they say "why last month, but not this month?" what will your answer be? Think about how you'd respond to them in that situation. Will you just say "I don't have to, it's my choice when to help", that doesn't negate the fact that whatever is compelling you to help now will still apply later. And that's the real issue I suspect for your fiancee -- that nothing will have changed, and your reasons today will apply tomorrow and next month and so on.

She is worried that I will still do it whereas we could have significantly increased expenses in the future. I have already made my decision to send this amount which I do not consider significant enough to not to but I also did tell her that if any futher decision came up regarding giving money to this person involving 3 0s I would only do it if we both agree to it (I will be honest but I did that only after reading this post).

I bet there's more to her concern than just your own financial future and the number of zeros in the requests. The bigger point is, they could just ask for $50 every single month, hypothetically, and the main issue will still remain: you've made your mind up to give them money now, and you must have some serious reasons that make it worth overriding the wishes of your fiancee despite the estrangement that was apparently bad enough to last for 20 years (and from some of your comments about the situation, there's a subtle implication that suggests it was indeed something significant). So whatever is motivating you to send the money despite your financee's wishes and the estrangement must be very important motivations to you. And those will still exist next month, as will your family member's financial problems, so it seems there may be very good reason to think you'd be inclined to help out with more money in the future. Your fiancee might object now, but imagine how much she'll object next time -- and what kinds of arguments and strain your relationship will undergo then, and the next time, and so on.

Whether you can still afford it or not in the future is far less important than the question of whether you will continue to feel compelled to help out with any amount of money -- be it two, three, or four zeros -- despite the wishes of your fiancee. This is the factor I think you should honestly be thinking about the most here. You both think the situation is likely to recur again, and there's no reason not to help next time, and your motivation from this time will still apply next time. This is setting up a situation where the current point of contention between you and your fiancee will increase as a problem over time if there is any chance whatsoever that this happens again and you feel compelled to help out. You plan to spend the rest of your life with your fiancee, while having spent MOST of your life thus far estranged from this family member. Is helping out this month, in a way you admit is not going to make any real difference in their lives and which you both fear will happen again, worth risking creating a recurring division between you and your fiancee? And worth sending a message -- unintentionally or not -- that you will do an ultimately not-significant thing for someone you aren't close to, against the wishes and judgment of the woman you want to live your life with? Because I guarantee you, on some level this is probably part of how she feels about the situation.

I urge you to really consider this as the most important question. Helping pay a few bills for an estranged family member, where you know the situation will still be a problem for them next month and you may be asked again, and where you know your own reasoning this time will apply next time, are coming between you and the supposed love of your life. She has reason not only to be financially concerned here, her real concern is almost surely what the situation and your decisions say about where her opinion and wishes fall in the hierarchy of your concerns and what you feel is most important.

We often don't even realize when we create this kinds of inner conflicts and questions for our loved ones, but it happens and it's important, and I think you should probably discuss this aspect of it directly with your fiancee. You might feel it's unfair or overboard for her to think of it in these terms, but just remember however much it bothers you, she is viewing the situation as how it affects the two of you and your future together, and she is putting your relationship first and doesn't want something done that could negatively affect the two of you TOGETHER. So you should be glad she looks at it from that perspective, really. But she is likely aware -- consciously or subconsciously -- that there's a conflict between her perspective there and yours, and that's something you really should talk to her about and come to a good, mutual resolution over.
 
Another thing to consider: if your fiancee knows the reasons for the estrangement, and knows you've made attempts over the decades to get back in touch but were rebuffed/ignored, she may also have her own resentment toward this family member out of loyalty to you. So she likely would resent them asking you for money, feels it's taking advantage of you, and feels you aren't "sticking up for yourself" (for lack of a better term) and is herself trying in her own way to defend you and protect your relationship to her from outside pressure from an unworthy relative (again, how she'd see them if she knows the reasons for the estrangement and so on). This is something else to look at positively, it demonstrates emotional loyalty toward you and trying to protect you when she thinks you aren't being careful enough to protect yourself. She may frame it mostly as a matter of the two of you together and future finances, but underlying that is probably the foundation of concern for you and animosity toward someone she feels hurt you in the past and is undeserving of your good deeds.
 
I have just recieved a request to send money to one of my relatives because they can no longer cover their bills. The amount of money is not significant to me but it would be to them. I am inclined to give it by my fiancee would rather I did not or at least that I indicate it is a one off or that it is an interest free loan. She is worried if I do not, another request will come with another 0 attached to it.

Have you ever been asked by a family member for money and what was your reaction to it?


My nephew lives in Thailand. He has a wife and a kid there, yet the building he lives in is shoddy, people have almost fell in the elevator. He tells me he was planning to buy property in a nearby suburb, so what do I do? I hand him the money he needs to move out and into a better home. Yet a week after I return home to the states he told me he spent the cash I gave him to buy a video game, that the money was a gift and I shouldn't trip. We haven't spoken since then. :(
 
He bought a vintage Neo-Geo cartridge top load console for 500 bucks. He's obsessed with video games, yet when I got there to visit him, he didn't want to go out, just stay inside and play games. He can't even play Gradius 4 past the first level! He spends all his cash on burned Ps2 / Ps3 games, even when I showed him where to find the roms, and how to burn them. I get kind of angry thinking about it. I even potty trained this person! Can you beleive that? But he is family.
 
Wow, really touchy issue.

Since you said you already have a pretty much nonexistent relationship with this person, can I assume it's not just a case of drifting apart for no reason? Can we basically assume there is a reason you are estranged from them? If so, that alone tells me you should probably simply send them whatever amount of cash you are comfortable sending, with a note saying you will help out this time (especially if it's true as some folks said that you have plenty of cash so it won't be a burden on you), but that they should really not ask for any more money because you'll just not respond.

Then inform them it's not a "loan", that you are giving them this money to help out because they need it, they are family, and you can afford it at the moment. If they still chose to send you money to repay the debt, great. If not, though, you've already assumed it won't be paid back. I agree strongly with Majic Walrus on this, just assume it won't be paid back. And tell them you don't want it paid back.

I've had family members ask me for money. Sometimes it's someone I totally trust and I don't even think about loaning or giving them the money. Usually, it's for a temporary thing like not having enough to pay a dinner bill or something immediate like that, where I get paid back within a day or so. Other times I've had a sibling ask for a loan for bills, and I made the loan to one of them but not to others. The ones I refused were due to having a very strained relationship and suspecting they wouldn't pay bills but would instead buy drugs with it. I recommend NEVER giving money to family or friends if you have any suspicion that the money is going to anything other than what you're told it's for.

If you know for sure it's really a need for money to pay bills, is it a situation that will improve in the future, or will it just recur as a problem for them again? Will they make good decisions about how best to use the money in their bill situation? And do they have kids who will be harmed if they don't get the financial assistance? If they really need it for bills and will apply the money properly, and if there are also kids involved, then that's important. Is the cause of your estrangement something of a serious nature -- abuse, for example -- or is it just a more typical family estrangement issue? If it's the latter, then it doesn't mean they are a bad person or someone you don't care about at all, right? You can love someone in your family even if you don't like them. So wanting to help a person truly in need (and especially if kids are involved) can outweigh personal dislike.

If the sum is a large amount, and you are willing to provide it, making it a gift instead of a loan has the added benefit of not creating additional tension in an already strained relationship. Even among friends and family you are on good terms with, a sizeable "loan" that is expected to be paid back can make things weird if they are unable to pay it back as soon as expected, and there's the awkwardness of whether they mention it or you do, it can cause resentments (even if you don't want it to, it's sometimes hard to help feeling that way, and it could be them who feel resentment over feeling embarrassed or guilty etc, it might be irrational but humans are humans and we feel irrational things sometimes).

It's worth also remembering, though, that your fiancee should actually have some say in the matter -- you're going to be married, and financial decisions (regardless of who makes the most money, keeping separate finances, whatever) should be joint decisions even when or especially when it's family and friends. It can cause tensions and resentments between you and your partner, the repercussions (family getting upset or resentful, asking for more money, etc) will affect your fiancee as much as you, and you should ask yourself if doing this for your family member is worth the potential disagreements and potential fallout that could unduly affect your relationship with your fiancee. People tend to think "it's my money, it's my family" but you're making a life with this other person and how your decision affects the two of you is important.

If you give the money, you might want to talk to your fiancee and ask what would make them feel comfortable with the loan. Ask them to set parameters for the situation, what sort of amount they are most comfortable with, and assure them you want to make the decision in a way that you are both able to accept. Tell them you will make it clear to your family that this is absolutely a one-time thing, and that if another request for money does come then you will refuse it.

I suspect part of your fiancee's reluctance is due to the nature of your relationship with this family member, mixed with some resentment that the family member would ask you for money despite your strained relationship. And your fiancee also likely sees this as a sort of test-run for how things could play out when you are married if you are caught between a family request and your fiancee's disagreement with it. Right or wrong, it probably appears to your fiancee to be a question of whether your strained relationship with a family member is still going to outweigh your good relationship with your fiancee. Competing wishes.

It'd be much easier if there are kids involved and if the estrangement isn't due to anything that makes them a really bad person. Your fiancee would probably be much easier to convince to come to some sort of compromise if they understand the kid aspect and that your dislike for this relative isn't due to a really big issue that goes to the relative's character. And, if it is a more typical family estrangement problem (they acted like a jerk a lot, they were insensitive, they make a lot of bad decisions and expect other family to bail them out, etc) then there is the chance that this could, if you want it to, be the start of overcoming some of that estrangement to at least have a more normal, distant but not poisoned relationship with the relative. That would be another big motivating factor that could really be important to explain to your finacee, too.

It's a pain, but it's very common and can be frustrating if it's not handled delicately and in a way clearly demonstrating to your fiancee that you value their wishes and want to find a way to make them happy with the decision. That is in fact probably ultimately where the real issue lies anyway between you and your fiancee. Help them understand, avoid making it an argument, and demonstrate that you really do want them to be comfortable with the decision, that's my best advice. Sorry it's so long.

Best of luck!

Did anyone actually read this?:huh:
 
So did I and it was very well written.

I have not even sent anything yet because I asked for their account details (IBAN and SWIFT code) so I can make a bank transfer and I have not heard anything back.
 
Well I finally sent the 4 digit number to this person and now I wait to see if I get another request for more.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top
monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"