Comics Sensational Spider-man #31

Oh. Oh damn. I've hated what JMS has done with May, I hated bring back May period, but this... oh, this makes all of it worth it. Very nice. :up: :up:

(EDIT: I should have to do this, but just in case, I'm not blaming JMS for bring May back, at all.)
 
Cullen said:
Oh. Oh damn. I've hated what JMS has done with May, I hated bring back May period, but this... oh, this makes all of it worth it. Very nice. :up: :up:

(EDIT: I should have to do this, but just in case, I'm not blaming JMS for bring May back, at all.)
hello, may I ask you EXACTLY what it was that you hated JMS doing to may?
 
Let's not forget that it was Mackie & Byrne that brought May back in an attempt to recapture Spider-Man's 70's magic...

JMS gave May some more in depth character development, which I think the majority of us readers have enjoyed.

:yay:
 
This is the reason everyone hates JMS. They blame him for EVERYTHING.
 
JMS didn't give May character development; he changed who May is. She's just not the same character anymore.

I'm not opposed to change. I just don't care for how JMS is handling the characters. I really don't think he's suited for Spider-Man or for superhero comics.
 
Cullen said:
JMS didn't give May character development; he changed who May is. She's just not the same character anymore.

I'm not opposed to change. I just don't care for how JMS is handling the characters. I really don't think he's suited for Spider-Man or for superhero comics.

Yes, yes, yes... we've all heard about how JMS was writing Spidey & his supporting cast in a very good and positive manner up until Sins Past and then his name was mud and all that he's done is crap.

Nothing new here... moving along.... :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

Truth be told, I'd rather May remained dead.

But the powers that be at Marvel decided that Spidey needed to be like he was in the 1970's, and that included a doting old Aunt that baked him goodies and had heart attacks every other issue, and heaven's forbid if she ever found out that her sweet nephew was in reality that awful Spider-man... :whatever:

Howard Mackie & John Byrne gave us that version of Aunt May... one we had seen 30 years ago and one that I, as a reader, thought we moved on past... it's possible that you don't like the direction that May is in these days... a strong vibrant woman, and that's your choice.

But a LOT of people like Aunt May these days... and the way she's being written. She comes off as the same woman I've been reading about for over 30 years... in fact, with a lot more depth to her.

But hey... that's just MY opinion.

:yay:
 
Themanofbat said:
Yes, yes, yes... we've all heard about how JMS was writing Spidey & his supporting cast in a very good and positive manner up until Sins Past and then his name was mud and all that he's done is crap.

Nothing new here... moving along.... :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

Truth be told, I'd rather May remained dead.

But the powers that be at Marvel decided that Spidey needed to be like he was in the 1970's, and that included a doting old Aunt that baked him goodies and had heart attacks every other issue, and heaven's forbid if she ever found out that her sweet nephew was in reality that awful Spider-man... :whatver:

Howard Mackie & John Byrne gave us that version of Aunt May... one we had seen 30 years ago and one that I, as a reader, thought we moved on past... it's possible that you don't like the direction that May is in these days... a strong vibrant woman, and that's your choice.

But a LOT of people like Aunt May these days... and the way she's being written. She comes off as the same woman I've been reading about for over 30 years... in fact, with a lot more depth to her.

But hey... that's just MY opinion.

:yay:
:word:
 
Man that was awesome, at first when I heard you guys talking about her and the Chameleon I thought "zOMG no! Please don't have her using hulkbuster Ironman armor!!!" But this was incredibly awesome and well thought out. I loved it :)
 
Definitely an awesome issue. It was great seeing the way Aunt May handled Chameleon. PRICELESS! :woot:

I bet a lot of people around here liked that little crack thrown in about which origin it was, even Liz thought he was kidding. :oldrazz:

Overall, this was a GREAT storyline. It had classic Spidey villains. It had classic supporting characters. It carried on the unmasking storyline fluidly and it went along with the other books, and Peter's decision of not wanting to be pro-registration.

Sacasa is definitely becoming a great Spider-Man writer and I hope he sticks with Sensational for a while longer.
 
Great issue, loved the art work and think that Sarcasa is doing a fine job as a scribe.
I want to know what happened now w/ Chameleon, heh.
How Aunt May despatched of him was really cool, first I thought too my self- would she really have started to figure out he was not PP in the lift?, but she has been being written as a very perceptive person for the last 5 or so years so I thought it was cool.

As others have noted its refreshing that Aunt May is written this way compared to the past,-
often falling sick and generally being a boring being bed ridden character.
I much prefer the strong Aunt May.
She knitted ‘Gotcha’ up pretty fast, not that realistic but I liked that.
It’s a comic book and does not always gave to be logically realistic.
That bit kinda reminded of the cartoony elements of the McFarlane era.

Black Cat was used well here, better than she was in issues 23 & 24.
She COULD kick Scarecrow and co’s ass, but NOT The Lizard’s.
The only thing I don’t like (current status quo aside) is how PP noted that the future looked grim, and you know what that mean’s for a certain red haired babe (I hope not though), and the suck costume.
Too bad I think Medina comes off this book soon, before the red and blues return.

All in all great art, great writing and a fun story.
Can’t ask for any more than that!
 
Boy, you really cheesed me off with you comments, Manofthebat. Here I was, talking civil about what I thought about May's character, and you dismiss my thoughts out of hand, accusing me of hating May's characterisation because of "Sins Past."

But you know, now that I've cooled a bit (HA!), maybe I misread what you were trying to say. Maybe deep down you want me to go back to ranting about "Sins Past" and "Sins Remembered", and "The Other". Maybe I should pick up the slack of being a curmugeon here on the boards. I haven't even talked about the unmasking yet, and how Peter's behavior in Civil War is so out of character...

Well, it writes itself, doesn't it?

I mean, whatever floats your boat. I was happy getting along with everybody here, just talking about what I thought about Spider-man and co. But if you really want me a rantin', how could I say no?

Of course, you could just as easily actually read what I said, and not what you think I said.

Now, as to what I think about Aunt May. Aunt May shouldn't be a vibrant woman. She is an ill woman, a frail woman, even at times a daft woman. That's what makes her moments of steel so special.

It's too bad you don't like May as she was. That May reminded me of my late grandmother. She was a very interesting person.
 
One other thing of note: I have said good things about JMS's work on Spider-man before and after "Sins Past". I might again. But over all I just don't think he's very good as a superhero comics writer.
 
Themanofbat said:
Yes, yes, yes... we've all heard about how JMS was writing Spidey & his supporting cast in a very good and positive manner up until Sins Past and then his name was mud and all that he's done is crap.

Nothing new here... moving along.... :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

Truth be told, I'd rather May remained dead.

But the powers that be at Marvel decided that Spidey needed to be like he was in the 1970's, and that included a doting old Aunt that baked him goodies and had heart attacks every other issue, and heaven's forbid if she ever found out that her sweet nephew was in reality that awful Spider-man... :whatever:

Howard Mackie & John Byrne gave us that version of Aunt May... one we had seen 30 years ago and one that I, as a reader, thought we moved on past... it's possible that you don't like the direction that May is in these days... a strong vibrant woman, and that's your choice.

But a LOT of people like Aunt May these days... and the way she's being written. She comes off as the same woman I've been reading about for over 30 years... in fact, with a lot more depth to her.

But hey... that's just MY opinion.

:yay:

I have to agree, the most important things that JMS has done is really flesh out May as a character. And unmasking Peter to her was a brilliant move too. It's something I think people have wanted too see for a long time, and it was handled perfectly.

Don't forget, one of the main things tht JMS has done in his career is having quite a good long run on writing 'Murder She Wrote.' Not only that, he went on to produce a fair few TV movies of 'Murder She Wrote,' for Miss Lansbury.

JMS clearly has some weird thing about older/grey women:huh: He clearly doesn't think much, know how to write, or has the most positive views of younger women, but he seems to 'get' older women, big time
 
Cullen said:
Boy, you really cheesed me off with you comments, Manofthebat. Here I was, talking civil about what I thought about May's character, and you dismiss my thoughts out of hand, accusing me of hating May's characterisation because of "Sins Past."

But you know, now that I've cooled a bit (HA!), maybe I misread what you were trying to say. Maybe deep down you want me to go back to ranting about "Sins Past" and "Sins Remembered", and "The Other". Maybe I should pick up the slack of being a curmugeon here on the boards. I haven't even talked about the unmasking yet, and how Peter's behavior in Civil War is so out of character...

Well, it writes itself, doesn't it?

I mean, whatever floats your boat. I was happy getting along with everybody here, just talking about what I thought about Spider-man and co. But if you really want me a rantin', how could I say no?

Of course, you could just as easily actually read what I said, and not what you think I said.

Now, as to what I think about Aunt May. Aunt May shouldn't be a vibrant woman. She is an ill woman, a frail woman, even at times a daft woman. That's what makes her moments of steel so special.

It's too bad you don't like May as she was. That May reminded me of my late grandmother. She was a very interesting person.

Why do people call me "Manofthebat"??? :huh: :huh: :huh:

Is "Themanofbat" that difficult??? It's not just you Cullen... I've had MANY people call me Manofthebat and I just don't get it.

:csad:

I wish I could have read your initial response. I like angry retorts. :cwink:

Listen... maybe I did come off strong, and I didn't mean to insult you as a person. I have; however, lumped you with the anti-JMS crowd that has sprung up here since Sins Past and perhaps I tend to leap to conclusions when I read "insert ad nauseum about JMS here" statements from that anti-JMS crowd. I certainly don't recall anything positive you've said about the Spidey-writing since then, but then again, I don't read everyone's posts. I apologize for the assumption.

Having said that, you are definitely entitled to your opinions about May's character development, as well as anything that goes on in the Spidey books. If you don't like the direction May's going into, who am I to say that you should. I think you are in the minority, but it's still your opinion nonetheless, and one that should be respected.

So enough rants... we've seen far too many of them from everybody. :yay:

I haven't liked a LOT of things in the Spidey books over recent years, and as I said, as a continuity buff, I would have preferred a dead Aunt May because, for all intents and purposes, she died. But since she was brought back, I do like the depth they've given her character and it's nice to see her beyond an always sick old woman doting over her nephew... which, by the way, she still does.

Cheers...

:yay:
 
Aside from the issue with the students and Ock, I've been fairly unimpressed with this title... but this was a good story. The twist with May was great! :yay:

To bad the writing is getting stronger, but the art continues to... quite frankly... suck. I've been TRYING to appreciate the artist's strong points (perspective and backgrounds) and get used to the rest (even JRJrs blocky weird style grew on me...), but it's just not happening. The cartoony, weak/ugly faces are REALLY a turn off for me. :csad:
 
Themanofbat said:
Why do people call me "Manofthebat"??? :huh: :huh: :huh:

Is "Themanofbat" that difficult??? It's not just you Cullen... I've had MANY people call me Manofthebat and I just don't get it.

:csad:
I don't know. I don't know. Why do people call "Sins Past" "Sins of the Past" half the time?

The "the" migrated on me, I guess. I'm lucky I can spell my own name half the time.

Themanofbat said:
I wish I could have read your initial response. I like angry retorts. :cwink:
I don't. At least not from me. All too often I start thinking I'm being childish. I'd much rather logical, intelligent, cool headed responses.

Good luck getting that from me.
Themanofbat said:
Listen... maybe I did come off strong, and I didn't mean to insult you as a person. I have; however, lumped you with the anti-JMS crowd that has sprung up here since Sins Past and perhaps I tend to leap to conclusions when I read "insert ad nauseum about JMS here" statements from that anti-JMS crowd. I certainly don't recall anything positive you've said about the Spidey-writing since then, but then again, I don't read everyone's posts. I apologize for the assumption.
Well, I have said positive thimgs about JMS post-"Sins Past". Once. Briefly. Which was why you missed it. But it's on this forum some place, darn it.

He's a good writer. I just don't think he's been doing that great on Spider-man. Or most of the other super hero comics he's been doing, come to that.

Incidentally, this makes twice you've done this to me. I don't want you to think I make a running tally of these sorts of things. But I do. :yay:

Themanofbat said:
Having said that, you are definitely entitled to your opinions about May's character development, as well as anything that goes on in the Spidey books. If you don't like the direction May's going into, who am I to say that you should. I think you are in the minority, but it's still your opinion nonetheless, and one that should be respected.
It should be respect up to the point I can't back it up and no further. I'm not asking for any special treatment here. I give an opinion that's completely off the wall and can back it up, I should be shut down.

But kindly, I hope.

Look, I'm not saying the "majority" is wrong in their opinion, or that my way is the right way of looking at things. (Course, I kind of did last post, but that was in the heat of the moment.) All I'm saying is that I don't like the way May's being handled by JMS. No more or less.

My original comment was a bit of a non sequitur, though. What I should have said was "I don't like JMS's take on May, but if it leads to more moments like the one in SS#31, I might be able to live with it." It's what I meant, in any case.

Themanofbat said:
So enough rants... we've seen far too many of them from everybody.
No more rants? What am I going to do with my time now?

I have a blog. I've been trying to keep my rants there, where no one'll read them.

Themanofbat said:
I haven't liked a LOT of things in the Spidey books over recent years, and as I said, as a continuity buff, I would have preferred a dead Aunt May because, for all intents and purposes, she died. But since she was brought back, I do like the depth they've given her character and it's nice to see her beyond an always sick old woman doting over her nephew... which, by the way, she still does.

Cheers...

:yay:
What they've give in place of the sick aunt doting on the nephew is the nephew whose overprotective of his clearly strong aunt, which I don't think is much better.

But I'm all for depth, I'm all for good stories. With this issue as a potential exception, I'm just not seeing them.

But hey! There's always the Future right?

(See, this is why I edited/mellowed my response. Nice discussion, no hair pulling. At least, none on my end.)
 
Cullen said:
(See, this is why I edited/mellowed my response. Nice discussion, no hair pulling. At least, none on my end.)

Same here... I've been bald as a cue ball since 1996. :yay:

:csad:
 
The Lizard said:
^ She knitted that "gotcha" awfully fast. :o

i'm thinkin' she thought that WAS Peter! she was awfully prepared awfully fast!! :wow:
 
i was actually really disappointed with this one. i really like the first two issues in the arc, and this one just seemed a bit anti-climactic.
 

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