Sequels unfairly killing off their characters

[DACrowe]

I disagree. A character who is involved in a plotline need not die. NOw, Idon't think Ripley was going to get a happily ever after. But having lost her daughter and purpose, she found a surrogate family with HIcks and Newt and it was a fitting wrap up for her character. There was finality in Aliens. I mean yeah, if you do an Alien 3 where her surrogate family dies off screen and she is fighting an alien on a ship AGAIN, at that point there was no way out for the character, BUT I don't think there should have been an Alien 3 to begin with.

 

[Warhammer]

Loomis died? I thought it was left open at the end.

I took it as Michael being near by, and killing him maskless, judging by that scream at the end.

 

[Majik1387]

Hmm, I'll have to watch that part again. The Strode family wasn't interesting enough to watch being killed, so I'll skip over them.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

How about we all just stop bickering and get back onto the topic of the thread, ok?

Lol, I like it when people say that after they've posted a big ranting wall o text. I've said my part and stand behind it. I'm done, bye!

 

[Warhammer]

Call it what you want, but whatever.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

No one forced Ratner to take the job. Had he cared at all about the material and the craft, he could have refused the job, made a stand, given Fox the message on how to properly handle and maintain their properties and licensed properties. You can't rush something like they did, and the end result which is X3 drives the point home succinctly. Ratner should have been aware enough and humble enough to know that the getting the job done properly was WAAAAAY out of his capability.

You take yourself way to seriously if you think anyone is turning down 5 million plus to say point and shoot, for pride of source matrial

You can get tired all you want, but it sounds to me like you really can't recognize a good director. Next to X3, Singer's skill is even more apparent. Singer utilizes subtlety very well, and uses it to supplement any kind of tension building he is doing. He also is impeccable at introducing characters, whereas Ratner has no grasp on how to do this artistically. Also, the look of the film itself. Singer builds an impressive and lifelike world, and the "seams" are nearly invisible. In X3, during the protest scene, it was so laughably fake and unconvincing. Signs that were obviously printed by a set producer instead of someone using some old poster with a sharpie like you see in real life. That's a mere example, but I think it illustrates my point. Just compare it to the scene in Superman Returns at the end at the hospital with all of the people there to support Superman. World of difference.

I think X3 shows just how far Singer missed the mark, X3 flawed story, flawed characters flawed movie...pretty decent action, and some decent uses of mutant powers (i.e. Beast, Iceman, and Colossus however flawed their characters are....X1/X2 had flawed b.s. stories too, they had flawed b.s. characters, and completely wasteful horse**** uses of mutant powers and abilities, so much so that if you where to take the Nightcrawler scene in the beginning on 2 out of the equation it would be non existent

and SR was easily one of the worst movies of last year, bore fest galore

 

[Majik1387]

WILL YOU PEOPLE SHUT THE **** UP ABOUT WHO RUINED X3!

It's a never-ending debate. You're both right in your own way but it doesn't matter anymore and no one's gonna change their mind so just ****ing drop it already.

 

[Warhammer]

Hmm, I'll have to watch that part again. The Strode family wasn't interesting enough to watch being killed, so I'll skip over them.

Yeah, I didn't catch the scream until I watched Halloween 6 last night. Oh well, The best movies with any Strode was Halloween and Halloween H20.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I personally wonder if Rachel will be added to this list after The Dark Knight.

Probably not. She's a pretty unpopular character so her death if it happens might be welcome.

 

[Victarion]

Yoda. His death should've been more than a scene in his hut. Would've been a great chance to see more of Dagobah.

---Morzan

 

[Kanon]

I personally wonder if Rachel will be added to this list after The Dark Knight...

I'm fearing for Marion in Indy 4

 

[Spider-Vader]

The death of the Aliens characters in Alien 3.
Of course, to me they ended up on Earth & lived happily ever after.

 

[Primal Slayer]

killing off Nancy Thompson (Nightmare on Elm Street). They shouldve kept her alive throughout the film franchise instead of killing her off in Dream Warriors.

 

[Majik1387]

^And recasting to kill the character of Kristen in the NoES series was lame too.

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

That would have been the biggest cliffhanger in the history of anything.

They knew Spiderman 3 would make money..and they knew the actors would be a problem to get after 3 movies...so they should have shot part 3 and 4 at the same time....and save money. It would have made it into a TRUE comic book movie cause it ended in a cliffhanger.

I personally think the movie should have ended with the church scene.

 

[Dr Lee]

I know Serenity isn't a sequel of any other movie, Though I see it as a sequel to the Firefly TV show. I see no point in killing both Shgeppard Book and Wash. Yes you needed to show how dangerous the situation and the Reavers are, but WASH? It also seemd that they only had Book appear so they could kill him off.

In 'Clear and Present Danger' they killed off the character of Dan Murrey, Who would become a big part of some of the later books in the Jack Ryan series. What was the point here? Again it seemed to have been done simply to show how deadly the ambush was, but what were they going to do with any movies the would have been set in the later books?

 

[DACrowe]

1) Marion is in Indy IV? WHAT? And if they kill her off, I'll be pissed off enough to hate the movie.

2) They killed off Nancy in a FT13 movie? Again, ****ing stupid.

3) The reason they did not shoot Spidey 3/4 back-to-back was that the actors and director were only contracted for one more movie. To do 4 would have needed negotiation which would have cost time and if they had become so desperate to get them back for part 4 (which would have been the case for a back-to-back shoot), Sony would have no high ground and have to pay more on the actors's sides than their own. Also, there is a trend in studios to think to not let plot threads linger more than three movies as not to upset moviegoers. Besides, it got Venom out of the way and left room for better villains in SM4 (the last sentence is just my opinion).

4) I see the point in killing Book off in Serenity and as sad as I am to see Wash go (and what it means for Zoe), I think the fact that we are still talking about it and wondering the fate of the characters past the climax (which Wash's death undoubtedly raised the stakes of) shows the lasting power of the decision and why Whedon did it. I think it was too random and quick in how it happened but it was moving enough that it gives the movie some resonance it would otherwise be missing.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

1) Marion is in Indy IV? WHAT? And if they kill her off, I'll be pissed off enough to hate the movie.

2) They killed off Nancy in a FT13 movie? Again, ****ing stupid.

3) The reason they did not shoot Spidey 3/4 back-to-back was that the actors and director were only contracted for one more movie. To do 4 would have needed negotiation which would have cost time and if they had become so desperate to get them back for part 4 (which would have been the case for a back-to-back shoot), Sony would have no high ground and have to pay more on the actors's sides than their own. Also, there is a trend in studios to think to not let plot threads linger more than three movies as not to upset moviegoers. Besides, it got Venom out of the way and left room for better villains in SM4 (the last sentence is just my opinion).

I agree 100 percent

 

[Capt Throbberson]

Patrick Bateman, though I've never seen American Psycho 2.

 

[nocomics]

heh,this is turning into a xmen thread. Enough already,take it to xmen forums..
Maybe; Jack from Pitch Black,well the girl who was a boy,but really a girl she died in Riddick.

Trinity in Matrix:Revolutions,I understood why Neo was killed off,but not trinity..

 

[L0ngsh0t]

heh,this is turning into a xmen thread. Enough already,take it to xmen forums..
Maybe; Jack from Pitch Black,well the girl who was a boy,but really a girl she died in Riddick.

Trinity in Matrix:Revolutions,I understood why Neo was killed off,but not trinity..

Stuff that makes no sense tends to happen in b.s. movies/sequels

 

[Darkness Falls]

definately nancy
and kirsten(replacing her) from nightmare on elm st

Patrick bateman in american psycho 2 wtf

 

[bullets]

They knew Spiderman 3 would make money..and they knew the actors would be a problem to get after 3 movies...so they should have shot part 3 and 4 at the same time....and save money. It would have made it into a TRUE comic book movie cause it ended in a cliffhanger.

I personally think the movie should have ended with the church scene.

this was the plan at one time and its a shame that didnt come to fruition , think venom shaould at least battle spiderman again in sp4 a part of the opening in a dream and we get to see venom act more like his comic character. at least have him say we are venom.

 

[bullets]

^And recasting to kill the character of Kristen in the NoES series was lame too.

yeah that definately sucked . i hate when character are replaced it stands out too much .

 

[bullets]

Loomis died? I thought it was left open at the end.

he was killed but died shortly after filming so they added a scream to the release to make it appear as if he was killed . not part of the original plan.