Shane Black Directing Predator Sequel! - Part 2

[The Infernal]

This movie was a dumpster fire. Not even good as a Shane Black movie. Unfunny drivel punctuated by nonsenical action.

Yes, but hearing the classic music again was one of the few things getting me from walking out.

I didn't like the music. It sounded off frequently when they used the more familiar tunes and goofy when they played the heroic original tune for the third act.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I'm pretty surprised at how much people hated this film. Was it perfect? not even close, but i found the first half to be incredibly fun and brutal, and the comedy bits had me laughing my ass off. The last half was its weakest point, i agree and was quite stupid. overall though, In my opinion, i really don't know what else they could do with this franchise and i don't really get what people were expecting in most cases. It's a cheesy, fun film, with some really stupid moments towards the end.

 

[Dave McFly]

still gonna see it tomorrow gonna be a rainy blah kind of day good way to spend time out of the house for a few hours

 

[Kane52630]

People are really blowing this hate out of proportion. It's not even close to AVP2.

 

[Gothamsknight]

People are really blowing this hate out of proportion. It's not even close to AVP2.

Exactly! I don't get why people think its so horrible. I saw somebody rate 1/10, like what?

 

[Aximili86]

Did anyone else think that John Debney did a much better job using and adapting Alan Silvestri's original themes in "Predators" than Henry Jackman did in this?

Debney's 10 times the composer Jackman is, doesn't surprise me. Jackman's pretty awful.

 

[Consona]

Did anyone else think that John Debney did a much better job using and adapting Alan Silvestri's original themes in "Predators" than Henry Jackman did in this? I felt like not only did Debney's new stuff fit Alan's already classic work but that Jackman's adaptation here was a little dull and slow. Nowhere near as full of life as the previous films.

I'm getting tired of the Zimmer's disciples real quick and a lot. First that crap (no hyperbole, that was one of the worst soundtracks in recent memory) Balfe did on MI-Fallout, now Jackman (who makes a great team with Balfe, Winter Soldier score was another pratfall) just ineptly recycling Silvestri. I loved hearing those diminished scale chords and Alan's motifs again, but not used out of place and like pop tunes.

People are really blowing this hate out of proportion. It's not even close to AVP2.

I just did agree with Kane, so this must be true.

 

[Nathan]

'The Predator' Box Office: Sci-Fi Sequel Disappoints With $10.5M Friday

 

[Aximili86]

Yeah, the Fallout score was balls, total usual Zimmer-clone crapfest.

 

[TheVileOne]

Exactly! I don't get why people think its so horrible. I saw somebody rate 1/10, like what?

The movie's a badly edited and badly shot mess. For all of its "humor" I found none of it funny. Most of it seemed to resemble a Michael Bay Transformers movie.

The Predators were all totally out of character. None of their actions made any sense. The business about hybridization was BS. Sterling K. Brown is a great actor, but they made him this humorous wisecracking villain that's 1) not funny and 2) none of his actions made any sense. For starters why does he even want to kill McKenna and kidnap his son? Why does he want to kill Dr. Bracket? It's moronic.

The son was ****ing annoying. Olivia Munn was about as believable as nuclear scientist Christmas Jones.

Not to mention the entire movie takes a giant steaming pile on the lore of the Predator.

The ending is probably one of the worst, most non-sensical endings I've ever ****ing seen.

Spoiler

 

[Kane52630]

Sounds like you were already hating it before the opening credits showed up.

 

[TheVileOne]

Sounds like you were already hating it before the opening credits showed up.

Not at all. I just listed a number of reasons why I didn't like it, and that's all you have to say in response? That's not even valid.

Also let's stop acting like "what the hell are you talking about?" First of all, a number of people here agree the movie is crap. Or they maybe like parts of the movie but agree the ending is garbage.

The Predator

Let's compare this to Shane Black's other films:

The Nice Guys
Iron Man 3
Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang

So let's not pretend that critics are predisposed to hate Shane Black movies and go in hating them already. It's malarkey.

 

[Aximili86]

Sounds like you were already hating it before the opening credits showed up.

Dingdingdingding.

Being down on a movie is fine, but at a certain point it comes off pretty unstable with the level of vitriol. Like Black & Dekker (heh) went and kicked his dog or something.

Vile, nobody's saying this is getting a good critical average. Just that like half of these reviews aren't anywhere near as extreme as your personal take. Even a lot of the bad ones are like "it's still plenty of fun, there's hilarious dialogue & a few ballsy ideas here and there even if they don't work that well - I still had a better time with it than anything since 2".

Which a disaster does not make. I doubt it's remotely worse than the first AVP, let alone the second.

 

[Consona]

Ok, time to watch Randolph's review.

 

[Neno_Kos]

Dingdingdingding.

Being down on a movie is fine, but at a certain point it comes off pretty unstable with the level of vitriol. Like Black & Dekker (heh) went and kicked his dog or something.

Vile, nobody's saying this is getting a good critical average. Just that like half of these reviews aren't anywhere near as extreme as your personal take. Even a lot of the bad ones are like "it's still plenty of fun, there's hilarious dialogue & a few ballsy ideas here and there even if they don't work that well - I still had a better time with it than anything since 2".

Which a disaster does not make. I doubt it's remotely worse than the first AVP, let alone the second.

Well there is big difference between good movie and good Predator movie. Good movie can also be terrible Predator movie. And vice versa.

I watched Collider podcast where Kristian said he hated it as fan of franchise and most of them disliked it, but one guy who was with them but who never saw Predator movie before said he liked it enough. This is why I asked before Consona same question. There is big difference between those two.

Personally I will not check this movie in cinema. I was interested before, but seems how movie panned out seems like terrible Predator movie I have no plan to watch.

 

[Aximili86]

Right. I think we're past the "satisfying Predator movie" stage by now.

Honestly, if it's a passable example of a Shane Black script, vulgar & deconstruct-y & hyper-violent, featuring this cast & a few preds, that's still a worthy movie ticket for a bunch of people. I'd rather watch that than "pretty serviceable tribute to the original yet why not just go watch the original?" with Predators. And I like Predators.

 

[TheVileOne]

Right. I think we're past the "satisfying Predator movie" stage by now.

Honestly, if it's a passable example of a Shane Black script, vulgar & deconstruct-y & hyper-violent, featuring this cast & a few preds, that's still a worthy movie ticket for a bunch of people. I'd rather watch that than "pretty serviceable tribute to the original yet why not just go watch the original?" with Predators. And I like Predators.

Then why make a Predator sequel at all? Just make some new film encumbered by past installments. Something Hollywood is in sore need of.

Also, Have you even seen the film Aximili86? I don't get the sense you have.

 

[Aximili86]

Sure, it's a point. *Shrugs*

 

[I Am The Knight]

'The Predator' Box Office: Sci-Fi Sequel Disappoints With $10.5M Friday

"We’re probably looking at a $53m domestic finish. Or, if I’m optimistic, let’s say a 2.5x multiplier and a $63m finish, essentially selling fewer tickets than Predator 2 in 1990. A 30/70 domestic/overseas split gives it a $209m worldwide cume."

Brutal.

 

[TheVileOne]

Not trying to say you don't have the right to your opinion, but I mean, I've at least seen it at this point. I went in with open expectations, and I was not pleased.

Now you're making assumptions about how I should feel because I went in wanting to hate it based off a movie you haven't even seen yet.

 

[Aximili86]

Simply pointing out the incessant "dumpster fire, it's AVPR bad!" schtick doesn't gel with the (yes, fairly negative) reviews, severity-wise. There's been like 4-5 pages of it from you and it comes off like something else at play here, as the other dude pointed out.

I'm actually with you that it's probably a disappointing film on balance. Just...yeah, it's a movie. They'll either acknowledge this one & continue down the same road/plan with sequels if people dig it, or they'll ignore it and retool something else with a new team if it bombs. Either way, world keeps spinnin'. Doesn't mean much for the franchise, as if it hasn't been basically dead for 25 years besides a slight uptick blip on the radar with Predators anyway.

 

[Nathan]

Brutal.

Brutal indeed. Looks like the franchise might get shelved for another decade. Seems like this franchise really doesn't work without a big name star like Arnold, because outside of mostly fans, nobody cares about the creature itself.

 

[TheVileOne]

Simply pointing out the incessant "dumpster fire, it's AVPR bad!" schtick doesn't gel with the (yes, fairly negative) reviews, severity-wise. There's been like 4-5 pages of it from you and it comes off like something else at play here, as the other dude pointed out.

I'm actually with you that it's probably a disappointing film on balance. Just...yeah, it's a movie. They'll either acknowledge this one & continue down the same road/plan with sequels if people dig it, or they'll ignore it and retool something else with a new team if it bombs. Either way, world keeps spinnin'.

I stand by what I said. And I don't take back a single word of it. It's The Predator movie discussion thread. If we can't vent about how we like it or not here, where can we?

EDIT:

If I'm biased against the movie, then clearly there are some Shane Black fanatics here that are biased in his favor no matter what.

 

[Aximili86]

I stand by what I said. And I don't take back a single word of it.

Err, nobody's asking you to. Simply that "point made, Vile thinks the movie strangles babies and may have been responsible for crucifying Jebus". Gotcha. Noted.

Reviews by-and-large are more "meh" on it than your "diediedie!" thus far, things don't quite square, lots of us'll probably have a decent enough time with it for two hours. Job done, at least semi-adequately, while at least having the balls to experiment some. That's still more to say for it than Antal & Rodriguez a couple years back, even if their film's more satisfying in a Predator-flick sense.

 

[TheVileOne]

Err, nobody's asking you to. Simply that "point made, Vile thinks the movie strangles babies and may have been responsible for crucifying Jebus". Gotcha. Noted.

Reviews by-and-large are more "meh" on it than your "diediedie!" thus far, things don't quite square, lots of us'll probably have a decent enough time with it for two hours. Job done, at least semi-adequately, while at least having the balls to experiment some. That's still more to say for it than Antal & Rodriguez a couple years back, even if their film's more satisfying in a Predator-flick sense.

I'd hardly call what this movie tried experimental.

I mean there you go right there. You are praising the movie and denouncing another for some perceived quality it has.