Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13

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I don't find Black Widow awesome, she seems like a generic female heroine to me. But then again I don't find Hawkeye, Thor, and Hulk awesome as well.

If Sharon can woop Baron Zemo and other Cap villains, then she can woop BW.

This is why I was disappointed when we didn't get more Sharon in TWS.

It should be about characters and story.
Exactly. And if you look at SJ's body of work you'll see that a bulk of her financially successful movies were only after she landed the Black Widow role.
 
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What I loved about Mad Max is that it embraced all types of feminine strength. Furiosa was amazingly strong, but the others all showed strength as well. Valkyrie, Keeper of the Seeds and the Clan of Many Mothers showed more natural badassery and bravery than recent female characters (including Marvels). Splendid was essentially a rape victim but had the courage to gather the others and defy Joe (I loved the scene where she blocked Joe from shooting Furiosa using what he had did to her to HER advantage). It was also great to see that Dag hadn't lost her femininity and could still reach out to and comfort Nux. Can't rave enough about the ladies of Mad Max.

If Marvel followed the Mad Max model the MCU would be very different imo. It would have been Councilwoman Hawley who kicked ass in TWS not Widow (I was disappointed when it wasn't really Jenny being badass). Plus we would get scenes where great scientists like Jane Foster and Betty Ross save the day and Sharon would not get beaten by Rumlow.
:yay: The wives showed they were more than sex-slaves. Yes I loved Splendid and her scenes. And when Cheedo tried to run back to Joe at the beginning it showed she had a bit of a case of Stockholm syndrome. Also it was Capable and Nux.

I was disappointed too that it wasn't the council woman that was kicking ass, and I would've bought it since she might've been a former agent.

I don't know Mad Max even though it was action displayed some great intense dramatic acting from Charlize. Marvel's more popcorn fun, with lack of stakes and tension, well they didn't come across to me.
 
But Bucky is enhanced (comics and MCU) and has beaten Widow in the comics e.g. one of the post Winter Soldier comics around 2007. Widow put up more of a fight than in the TWS movie but she definitely lost. Ultimately its up to the writers.

For example, Bobbi is also an Avenger in the comics, and has had some impressive fight scenes in AOS recently so it would be nice to acknowledge more than one highly skilled spy in SHIELD. Again, in Avengers the writers created a scene where Widow fought Barton in close proximity - her strong point. If that scene had Clint fighting from a distance Widow would have lost. Sharon is a great markswoman and could take out Widow - its up to the writers how they construct the story to a characters benefit/disadvantage.

RDJ is a bigger star than Chris Evans, so should he have a bigger role in CW? Alternatively, Cap is arguably the most popular character in the MCU. The star power argument doesn't provide a good movie. It should be about characters and story.

Chris Evans is a star and a movie star and is starring in a movie about um... Captain America. When starring in Avengers though it's apparent (and whined about enough) that RDJ is treated as the biggest star. Whereas, EVC is not a movie star let alone a star, and the movie last I looked did not have her character's name in the title.

There isn't a producer alive that would cut out Scarlett Johansson and say give me more EVC unless they didn't want to sign a paycheck, and that's before she was even in a Marvel film or had Lucy. I doubt there's a director that would choose EVC for talent over Scarlett either.

Add to that that Marvel wanted more film established characters in TWS since Steve had lost most of his between movies and using BW as a main supporting character was a no brainier. Her character also IMO is a far more interesting one they can do more with.

Bill, M&M have been talking about Modok since 2011 as well. It doesn't mean they've written a script for him let alone been asked to write one by Marvel. Ditto Sharon. Like Modok who they also acknowledge is a hard sell they state that Sharon's relationship with Peggy makes her a character one has to walk a "fine line with" because it's "almost to a point where you get a little uncomfortable because her relation to Peggy".

Obviously Sharon's not so great a marksman if she couldn't shoot Rumlow fast enough. :o Regardless, shooting someone doesn't mean they're a superior physical fighter and that was the point some were trying to make, namely Voltron - that she should be able to "woop" BW in a fight.

This is like my saying Steve would beat Thor or Hulk in a physical fight. Liking Steve more doesn't make him stronger. Liking Sharon more doesn't make her a better or even equal hand to hand fighter than BW.

After talking about there are different kind so female strength then wanting the council woman to go all BW on people seems contradictory. That and it being BW makes for a far more economical and streamlined narrative.
 
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Bill, M&M have been talking about Modok since 2011 as well. It doesn't mean they've written a script for him let alone been asked to write one by Marvel. Ditto Sharon. Like Modok who they also acknowledge is a hard sell they state that Sharon's relationship with Peggy makes her a character one has to walk a "fine line with" because it's "almost to a point where you get a little uncomfortable because her relation to Peggy".

I'm pretty sure it was one 'M' that is adamant on MODOK, and mentions of him have always been rather humorous.

Sharon isn't MODOK. She isn't a face in a jar with little arms and legs. She's a SHIELD agent that, allegedly, was never thought to be involved in a movie about SHIELD.
 
Chris Evans is a star and a movie star and is starring in a movie about um... Captain America. When starring in Avengers though it's apparent (and whined about enough) that RDJ is treated as the biggest star. Whereas, EVC is not a movie star let alone a star, and the movie last I looked did not have her character's name in the title.

There isn't a producer alive that would cut out Scarlett Johansson and say give me more EVC unless they didn't want to sign a paycheck, and that's before she was even in a Marvel film or had Lucy. I doubt there's a director that would choose EVC for talent over Scarlett either.

Add to that that Marvel wanted more film established characters in TWS since Steve had lost most of his between movies and using BW as a main supporting character was a no brainier. Her character also IMO is a far more interesting one they can do more with.

Good performances and characterisations have nothing to do with star power, and I'm not suggesting cutting any characters. But if the rumours about BW being imprisoned in CW are true then it's possible that the Russo's may have cut her screen time compared to TWS. Except for Cap (and probably RDJ) no one is guarateed lots of screentime in CW.

Obviously Sharon's not so great a marksman if she couldn't shoot Rumlow fast enough. :o Regardless, shooting someone doesn't mean they're a superior physical fighter and that was the point some were trying to make, namely Voltron - that she should be able to "woop" BW in a fight.

This is like my saying Steve would beat Thor or Hulk in a physical fight. Liking Steve more doesn't make him stronger. Liking Sharon more doesn't make her a better or even equal hand to hand fighter than BW.
Sharon shooting Rumlow at that stage of the movie wasn't in the writers plans - they wanted him to fight Sam, get hurt and become Crossbones. Nothing to do with Sharon's skills, just plot convenience. All characters have 'weak points' which writers can use when the story requires. BW beat Hawkeye because the story required him to be snapped out of Loki's control - in other circumstances he would beat her if required. If the story requires someone to be beaten and it can be written well then anything is possible.

After talking about there are different kind so female strength then wanting the council woman to go all BW on people seems contradictory. That and it being BW makes for a far more economical and streamlined narrative.
In TWS we saw two great older male characters - Pierce and Fury. It would have been great to see an older female character doing something similar - which is what we saw in Mad Max. Afterwards she could have exchanged a few words with Widow about her being a retired agent. A nice short scene between two strong female characters :yay:
 
There was no place in TWS for that. Doing so would've been extremely out of place, random & detrimental to the flow of the story.
 
Good performances and characterisations have nothing to do with star power, and I'm not suggesting cutting any characters. But if the rumours about BW being imprisoned in CW are true then it's possible that the Russo's may have cut her screen time compared to TWS. Except for Cap (and probably RDJ) no one is guarateed lots of screentime in CW.

Wait what rumors? There were some fake leaked scripts before and the one being imprisoned was Cap.
 
Wait what rumors? There were some fake leaked scripts before and the one being imprisoned was Cap.

I think it was Starlog a few months ago who first stated that General Ross would appear and BW would be imprisoned. They also stated that Scott would be asked to break BW out of prison.
 
I think it was Starlog a few months ago who first stated that General Ross would appear and BW would be imprisoned. They also stated that Scott would be asked to break BW out of prison.

Linked source? I wouldn't mind any spoiler. Anything about Bucky?

Btw she was imprisoned in AOU but still had good amount of screentime. I saw somewhere that her screentime ranked 3rd.
 
There isn't a producer alive that would cut out Scarlett Johansson and say give me more EVC unless they didn't want to sign a paycheck, and that's before she was even in a Marvel film or had Lucy. I doubt there's a director that would choose EVC for talent over Scarlett either.

Add to that that Marvel wanted more film established characters in TWS since Steve had lost most of his between movies and using BW as a main supporting character was a no brainier. Her character also IMO is a far more interesting one they can do more with.
I'm approaching this from a Captain America comics storyline perspective, not a who's the bigger star.

Regardless, shooting someone doesn't mean they're a superior physical fighter and that was the point some were trying to make, namely Voltron - that she should be able to "woop" BW in a fight.
If Sharon can woop Baron Zemo and other Cap villains, then she can woop BW.

And as for the rest of what you said, what Spitfire and BullMcGiveny said.
 
RDJ is a bigger star than Chris Evans, so should he have a bigger role in CW? Alternatively, Cap is arguably the most popular character in the MCU. The star power argument doesn't provide a good movie. It should be about characters and story.

This part I agree with the most before Cap to me the MCU was boring I mean so what a guy in a iron suit, really Hulk is getting chase by the army again, :whatever: didn't know much about Thor but I like him after seeing his movie, but Cap his movies are the best much better than Avengers movies. :woot: I love the realistic, patriotic, and who can you trust thriller tone his movies has, Pierce was a better villain than you Ultron! him and Hydra puts you to shame! :cmad:
 
http://www.starlog.com/rumor-how-will-ant-man-connect-to-captain-america-3/

This is just a rumour but it comments on Ross' role and BWs screentime. Sorry no mention of Bucky.

I don't know why but that "which will give the actress a break from the MCU to focus on her family" ? sounds fake. Another rumor is actually more believable by saying she's a mole in Tony's pro reg team.

Anyway, the news was kinda old and according to recent interviews from both the actress and writers/director it seems to me that the role won't be that small.
 
I don't know why but that "which will give the actress a break from the MCU to focus on her family" ? sounds fake. Another rumor is actually more believable by saying she's a mole in Tony's pro reg team.

Anyway, the news was kinda old and according to recent interviews from both the actress and writers/director it seems to me that the role won't be that small.

It's just a rumour, but it was the first to correctly state Ross would appear so who knows? CW will be SJs 5th Marvel movie and with her family her time may be more limited and she may want to focus on new projects.

There is some overlap with this rumour and the AoU interviews. SJ referred to the weight of BWs personal sacrifice in AoU going forward to CW. She may not be prepared to betray Cap and/or Hawkeye and gets arrested for spying on Stark? The Congressional hearing threatened her with arrest for her past crimes so this could be another reason she ends up in prison?

I think the focus on Bucky, Stark, and Zemo (plus other characters) may result in BW getting a smaller role. If a romance with Sharon begins in CW this will require screen time as well. Interesting to see how the Russo's handle all the characters.
 
I think the focus on Bucky, Stark, and Zemo (plus other characters) may result in BW getting a smaller role. If a romance with Sharon begins in CW this will require screen time as well. Interesting to see how the Russo's handle all the characters.
What's so funny about this a lot of fans thinks these are there words not my Steve shouldn't end up with no female in MCU they don't deserved him, there not worthy of him and neither is this world.
 
It's just a rumour, but it was the first to correctly state Ross would appear so who knows? CW will be SJs 5th Marvel movie and with her family her time may be more limited and she may want to focus on new projects.

That rumor if I recall basically had her down as an extended cameo. She is still reportedly filming in Atlanta and has been there 6 weeks already. Not cameo sized. When the Russos first confirmed who was in CW they mentioned only three actors - - Chris, RDJ and Scarlett.

They don't pay Scarlett the big bucks for her to have a small role in a movie and Scarlett has no other scheduled film projects for this time period unlike Renner and Olsen. Looking at her overall schedule she's also shown no signs of wanting to slow down which is sadly the kiss of career death in a sexist ageist industry for an actress entering her 30s.

Her weight of personal sacrifice was choosing the Avengers and their mission over a life with Bruce when she shoved him into a hole to bring out the Hulk.

Scarlett on the CW script:

“I have read the script for Civil War. You know, the film has a very different feeling than anything of Marvel’s that I’ve read or been a part of before. These films are—I don’t think darker is the right word because there’s definitely always going to be some kind of levity, and that comes in a form of humor or hope. When you compare these films to like Batman, it’s a different feeling obviously, it’s a different audience experience, but as the stakes loom like larger and larger I think these films are kind of maturing with the audience; so there’s even more complex psychological twists that I sort of hadn’t necessarily anticipated.”
 
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Hayley seems to be joking around, playing along and isn't too familiar with the comics, but perhaps there's a truth behind her answers at marks 11:10 where she says that Cap's never going to move on from Peggy, and is never going to find someone else and at 39:40 where she says that Peggy would find Staron wrong. Like I said she's just playing, but this is feeding the Sharon hate. Cap pining for Peggy for the rest of his life and not moving on seems unhealthy.
 
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Hayley seems to be joking around, playing along and isn't too familiar with the comics, but perhaps there's a truth behind her answers at marks 11:10 where she says that Cap's never going to move on from Peggy, and is never going to find someone else and at 39:40 where she says that Peggy would find Staron wrong. Like I said she's just playing, but this is feeding the Sharon hate. Cap pining for Peggy for the rest of his life and not moving on seems unhealthy.

Sorry Peggy, but Sharon is taking your man, and there's NOTHING you can do about it!

Yeah, I wish she wouldn't have said that. Peggy and Steve kissed once. They kissed once. It's not gross and it's not wrong.
 
Truth to her intent, you mean?

Usually when someone is just playing they don't 'just play'. They'll make a joke, then they'll give you a straight answer.
 
So is Marvel going to show us in CW that no matter what Peggy is and will always be Cap's true love. Others are just friend (BW) or replacement (SC).
 
So is Marvel going to show us in CW that no matter what Peggy is and will always be Cap's true love. Others are just friend (BW) or replacement (SC).

God, I hope not. That would definitely not be keeping with the comics.
 
God, I hope not. That would definitely not be keeping with the comics.

Plus, kind of self-defeating, and upholding a rather immature and twisted ideal. Like, people can fall in love many times, or perhaps never. The idea that there is just the one love or that one is supposed to stand over the rest is f'd up.
 
Yeah, there's always a truth behind most jokes. She's definitely not familiar with the comics bc she said grand daughter. And come on, Staron are canon for nearly half a century. But who knows maybe she's misleading everyone so people will be surprised that Staron happens.

Marvel better show Cap moving on in CA:CW and finding happiness with Sharon who is not a Peggy replacement.

What's funny is that some of these Sharon/Staron haters have suggested for Hayley to play Sharon. Yeah, that's messed up, get Steve to date someone that looks like Peggy. So they disapprove of Cap dating Peggy's niece, but would be ok with it if the niece was played by the same actress that played Peggy??? Yeah, ok then.
 
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