Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13

[MbJ]

True, but this will depend on the decisions made by Marvel. If they don't give Sharon sufficient screen time or a decent story that makes the character interesting then she won't be received well by the audience.

Marvel may be nervous following the backlash from vocal BW fans after AoU and may decide to allocate more time to her character in CW. This may be at the expense of Sharon, Falcon etc. to avoid making the story overcrowded.

I honestly don't see that happening. Beyond the fact that we've already seen her on set interacting with Cap and Falcon (as opposed to the first movie where most of her scenes were away from the main characters, other than the stuff at the apartment), chances are Black Widow was always going to have a big role in this one.

It's the logical extension of how she was used in TWS so I never got why some people were assuming she was going bye-bye in Civil War to begin with.

 

[Mike5575]

I think Black Widow will have a drastically reduced role in Civil War. It made sense for BW to have such a big role in TWS because of her connection to Bucky. There are too many heroes in this one and would like to see the newer heroes get more screen time. It is Civil War, so I'd expect Iron Man to get plenty of screentime, but I think Sharon will get a bigger role.

 

[universeman]

I think Black Widow will have a drastically reduced role in Civil War. It made sense for BW to have such a big role in TWS because of her connection to Bucky. There are too many heroes in this one and would like to see the newer heroes get more screen time. It is Civil War, so I'd expect Iron Man to get plenty of screentime, but I think Sharon will get a bigger role.

What are you crazy? they won't reduced Black Widow's role in CW for Sharon, Johansson is third billing after Evans, and RDJ. EVC isn't a big actress like SJ is I'm sorry but if your thinking that they will reduced BW role for Sharon then your setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[MbJ]

What are you crazy? they won't reduced Black Widow's role in CW for Sharon, Johansson is third billing after Evans, and RDJ. EVC isn't a big actress like SJ is I'm sorry but if your thinking that they will reduced BW role for Sharon then your setting yourself up for disappointment.

Yeah, we're not getting a drastically reduced role. I'm assuming it's the exact opposite, that the New Avengers save for Falcon probably aren't going to have huge roles. They'll probably get to do stuff and have cool action scenes, but the Russos are going to prioritize the people who have the strongest connections to Cap.

Black Widow co-leads the team with Steve and is the Avenger probably closest to him. Tony is obviously the big rival of the movie and they were building that up in AOU. Sam is his partner and fellow Avenger. Bucky has that subplot. Sharon will likely be the love interest. Beyond that, the other New Avengers don't have any sort of huge ties to him. Scarlet Witch was closer to Clint even if Cap was the one to see the good in her, Vision is closer to Thor, and War Machine is closer to Iron Man. And if they're paying Scarjo the big bucks they're gonna want to get use out of her. Note that even in the licensing expo stuff they made sure to mention Black Widow alongside Falcon and Black Panther.

 

[Spitfire]

The ONLY character guaranteed lots of screentime is Cap, closely followed by IM and Bucky who we know are central to the movie. The size of the roles for anyone else is debateable and will be based on Marvels plans for phase 3.

Black Panther is being introduced in this movie and will be considered very important to Marvel. Falcon also needs character development and is way more important to Cap than Black Widow. Then there is Zemo (who needs a good introduction), plus Crossbones and Ross will need re-introducing to the MCU. If Sharon is going to be Cap's new girlfriend this story needs to be included as well.

Regardless of ScarJo's 'star power', this will be Black Widow's fifth movie and there are other characters more central to the story who need development - including Sharon.

If Marvel genuinely want this to be a Cap movie they can't give more screentime to Black Widow than characters like Bucky, Sharon and Falcon.

 

[Mike5575]

What are you crazy? they won't reduced Black Widow's role in CW for Sharon, Johansson is third billing after Evans, and RDJ. EVC isn't a big actress like SJ is I'm sorry but if your thinking that they will reduced BW role for Sharon then your setting yourself up for disappointment.

Civil War will have a ton of heroes. I'm sure BW will get more screentime than most, but she's not going to have nearly the same amount of screentime she got in TWS, a movie which she practically co-stared in. There's nothing wrong with giving Sharon a little bit more to do at the expense of some other character. SJ is a big actress, but I would like to see them give Sharon some more time. She's an important part of Cap's story. It's not asking a lot really considering Emily Vancamp only got about 2 minutes in TWS.

 

[MbJ]

The ONLY character guaranteed lots of screentime is Cap, closely followed by IM and Bucky who we know are central to the movie. The size of the roles for anyone else is debateable and will be based on Marvels plans for phase 3.

Disagree entirely. You're correct insomuch as that yes, the characters specifically associated with Cap like Falcon and Bucky will have big roles and Sharon may have a big one too. But even then it's both a sequel to Winter Soldier AND AOU of sorts.

WS had Black Widow as Cap's partner at SHIELD and built up their partnership as a large part. Age of Ultron continued this to the point of even having Black Widow revealed as the co-lead of the new Avengers line-up with him. It's VERY unlikely neither of these elements make it into Civil War. If the central conflict is a rift between the Avengers and torn loyalties, I find it really hard to imagine that Black Widow, Cap's friend and the person running the Avengers with him, isn't going to have a large part. It's far easier to downplay the others like Vision, War Machine and Scarlet Witch because they weren't in Winter Soldier and have no personal relation to Steve, but at the very least from a continuity and narrative standpoint it'd be far more "WTF?"-worthy to suddenly have Widow as a non-entity to Steve and the Avengers.

 

[Spitfire]

Disagree entirely. You're correct insomuch as that yes, the characters specifically associated with Cap like Falcon and Bucky will have big roles and Sharon may have a big one too. But even then it's both a sequel to Winter Soldier AND AOU of sorts.

WS had Black Widow as Cap's partner at SHIELD and built up their partnership as a large part. Age of Ultron continued this to the point of even having Black Widow revealed as the co-lead of the new Avengers line-up with him. It's VERY unlikely neither of these elements make it into Civil War. If the central conflict is a rift between the Avengers and torn loyalties, I find it really hard to imagine that Black Widow, Cap's friend and the person running the Avengers with him, isn't going to have a large part. It's far easier to downplay the others like Vision, War Machine and Scarlet Witch because they weren't in Winter Soldier and have no personal relation to Steve, but at the very least from a continuity and narrative standpoint it'd be far more "WTF?"-worthy to suddenly have Widow as a non-entity to Steve and the Avengers.

I agree that SW, Vision, Ant Man, & War Machine may take a back seat and Widow won't be a non-entity.

But she won't have a role resembling the one in TWS, it will be smaller. How much smaller is open to debate though. In terms of Avengers team mates, IM is more important to this story (RDJ is a bigger star, is being paid much more and has asked for more screentime). In terms of friends, Bucky and Falcon are more important. It would be a mistake to exaggerate her friendship with Cap at the expense of Falcon and Bucky's - they are much more important and need screentime. Basically, in respect of priorities Widow isn't as important in CW as she was in TWS.

 

[Mike5575]

People think that BW will be on Cap's side because they were all "budy budy" in TWS. Let's not forget that scene in which Cap asked Widow to be a friend. She just smiled and told him he's in the wrong business. She's still a spy, she's used to a life of not having too many friends and not getting too attached to things. It's how she's survived all these years. She'll choose the mission over friendships in a heartbeat. Instead of running away with her boyfriend, she pushed him down a pit, so she could get the Hulk instead. She could be a good antagonist for Cap's team by hacking their systems. Maybe there will even be a fight between Sharon and BW? Or Hawkeye v Widow?

 

[Voltron]

This interview with the writers indicated that we will get more Sharon in CW and potentially more BW (unfortunately). Who knows, maybe they'll cut Sharon's screen time again in favor of BW like in TWS (hopefully not).

On whether there’s a future for more of the Black Widow in their Cap-verse:

Markus: Potentially. I'm very glad that we flirted with flirting but didn't go there, you know? And I don't want to go there. They work really well together as friends and as comrades. Plus we're bringing Sharon up, and we don't want to have a love triangle in the middle of your Captain America movie. If there's an organic place for her in the story, yes.

On the sequel elements that are front and center in their minds as they start prepping the story for Captain America 3:

McFeely: Sharon Carter seems to be fairly active.

http://www.fandango.com/movie-news/...ory-decisions-and-caps-future-spoilers-747775

 

[Voltron]

Yep its funny isn't it the StevexNatasha shippers went off the deep end when Cap said no were leaving her there when Ultron captured BW, they said no Steve wouldn't say that! Whedon your ruining them! Russo's fix them fix them now!

That's bc they're Romanogers shippers. You'd think they'd have confidence that she can hold her own. They think it's more than friendship between them. They can't accept Hulktasha or Steggy or Staron. Most of those teens and early 20's are "passionate".

 

[MbJ]

But she won't have a role resembling the one in TWS, it will be smaller. How much smaller is open to debate though. In terms of Avengers team mates, IM is more important to this story (RDJ is a bigger star, is being paid much more and has asked for more screentime).

I don't think anyone here is arguing that her role will be as important as Stark's, just that the idea that her role will be cut so drastically that she's an advertised extra is highly unlikely. Or to be more precise, it's unlikely that any reduction in her role, regardless of how severe it is, is going to be to prop up the other New Avengers, possibly save for Falcon.

People think that BW will be on Cap's side because they were all "budy budy" in TWS. Let's not forget that scene in which Cap asked Widow to be a friend. She just smiled and told him he's in the wrong business. She's still a spy, she's used to a life of not having too many friends and not getting too attached to things. It's how she's survived all these years. She'll choose the mission over friendships in a heartbeat. Instead of running away with her boyfriend, she pushed him down a pit, so she could get the Hulk instead. She could be a good antagonist for Cap's team by hacking their systems. Maybe there will even be a fight between Sharon and BW? Or Hawkeye v Widow?

Unlikely. Joblo (who have been very spot on so far) called her on part of Cap's team.

 

[lndsaico]

Yep its funny isn't it the StevexNatasha shippers went off the deep end when Cap said no were leaving her there when Ultron captured BW, they said no Steve wouldn't say that! Whedon your ruining them! Russo's fix them fix them now! really I think the BW being capture and rescue by Scott rumor may be cut out of the movie, since it happen in AOU which got backlash. Or they may change it where instead of BW being capture it's Sharon

Well, as a non shipper I just thought Clint cares about his teammate more than Cap, a lot.

Not to mention that he helped Wanda to become an Avenger during the battle.

Oh and this thread has slowly become an very salty anti-SJ/BW thread. "Marvel should cut BW aka big star's screen time and give that to Sharon!"

Pleas stop, guys. Let's just talk about Sharon shall we.

 

[Mike5575]

Well, as a non shipper I just thought Clint cares about his teammate more than Cap, a lot.

Not to mention that he helped Wanda to become an Avenger during the battle.

Oh and this thread has slowly become an very salty anti-SJ/BW thread. "Marvel should cut BW aka big star's screen time and give that to Sharon!"

Pleas stop, guys. Let's just talk about Sharon shall we.

Cap cares very much about Black Widow, as he does any other member of the team, but he can't allow his feelings interfere with the mission.

Black Widow's screentime will have to be cut. There's no way she's going to be co-staring the with Cap in this film, not with the number of other heroes in this film.

 

[lndsaico]

Cap cares very much about Black Widow, as he does any other member of the team, but he can't allow his feelings interfere with the mission.

Black Widow's screentime will have to be cut. There's no way she's going to be co-staring the with Cap in this film, not with the number of other heroes in this film.

And why should we discuss her screentime in Sharon's thread? Why not discuss in her own thread?

 

[Voltron]

And why should we discuss her screentime in Sharon's thread? Why not discuss in her own thread?

Bc more BW screen time means less Sharon, Sam, Wanda and others.

 

[crapcom]

Bc more BW screen time means less Sharon, Sam, Wanda and others.

BW isn't the only character in the film. You only want her screen time to be cut because you hate Her.

 

[universeman]

That's bc they're Romanogers shippers. You'd think they'd have confidence that she can hold her own. They think it's more than friendship between them. They can't accept Hulktasha or Steggy or Staron. Most of those teens and early 20's are "passionate".

Well I agree about Hulk/Widow, but Steggy? they don't mind it some ship it I know I do I love Steggy. Some even ship Scarletamerica which is another ship I ship.

 

[Voltron]

Speaking of Sharon, why is EVC back in L.A.? She should be in Atlanta, unless the bigger part I was hoping for is just an extra 10 minutes?

 

[Voltron]

BW isn't the only character in the film. You only want her screen time to be cut because you hate Her.

I don't hate her and I never said I hated her. Don't accuse me of such falsehoods. I guess you didn't read the parts were I thought BW in cartoons and comics was better.

 

[Voltron]

Well I agree about Hulk/Widow, but Steggy? they don't mind it some ship it I know I do I love Steggy. Some even ship Scarletamerica which is another ship I ship.

Yeah I like Steggy, ScarletAmerica, and Staron. But now that Peggy is older and has lived her life, I really want Cap to move on from Peggy and find happiness with Sharon. If not Sharon then Wanda for sure.

 

[crapcom]

Then don't spend like 5 pages bashing MCU BW and her screen time on Sharon's thread.

Just my opinion, but I find SJ's Black Widow a generic characterization of a female heroine. I prefer Lizzie Olsen's unique take on Scarlet Witch and no one can touch Pfeiffer's Catwoman.

I don't want to see that too. Comics Sharon would've wooped Nat's behind.
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I don't find Black Widow awesome, she seems like a generic female heroine to me.

Exactly. And if you look at SJ's body of work you'll see that a bulk of her financially successful movies were only after she landed the Black Widow role.

SJ's stunt doubles did a better job of playing Black Widow in AoU. SJ/MR romantic scenes in AoU were so awkwardly bad that it was good. Both trying to act like they're into each other was laughable, well at least I laughed.
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Seeing how well Lizzie, Zoe, Gillan brought Wanda, Gamora, Nebula to the screen made me realize even more how mediocre and generic SJ's BW is. From what I've seen of Black Widow in a few cartoons and in the comics it shows me that SJ's BW is a disappointing portrayal. I've read that Emily Blunt was offered the role, but couldn't take it, which is too bad since after seeing her in Edge of Tomorrow she would've been a better BW in physique, movement and characterization.

This interview with the writers indicated that we will get more Sharon in CW and potentially more BW (unfortunately). Who knows, maybe they'll cut Sharon's screen time again in favor of BW like in TWS (hopefully not).

 

[Voltron]

Then don't spend like 5 pages bashing MCU BW and her screen time in Sharon's thread.

When are those valid criticisms, opinions, and disappointments considered bashing and hating now? So we're not allowed to express them? Isn't this a forum/msgboard where you can offer your opinions and arguments? I recall a couple of people "bashing" i.e. also criticising Sharon/EVC somewhere in this thread, but I guess it's not considered hate or bashing since it wasn't BW/SJ?

 

[crapcom]

When are those valid criticisms, opinions, and disappointments considered bashing and hating now? So we're not allowed to express them? Isn't this a forum/msgboard where you can offer your opinions and arguments? I recall a couple of people "bashing" i.e. also criticising Sharon/EVC somewhere in this thread, but I guess it's not considered hate or bashing since it wasn't BW/SJ?

what's the point of developing each character's thread if haters just take over one character's discussing place and diss another?

 

[Voltron]

You need to learn that there will always be people that don't share your opinions and tastes.