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I am not sure if it was much of a surprise, but I did love it and it made me smile from ear to ear.

Surprise in the fact that
Holmes was camouflaged as the armchair. We all knew Holmes would survive as per the stories, but it was how they revealed it, and in the last way I expected.
 
A friend of mine who is actually British went to see the new Sherlock Holmes film . And while he enjoy it he in turn introduced me to a brand new BBC tv series called Sherlock presents a contemporary update of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes detective stories.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b018ttws

I gave it a look and I can honestly say this series is so far very captivating and it fresh re-interaptation that actual works. Holmes is young and he's intelligent as ever with the aid of modern tech and forensics in his arsenal .

His Moriarty is creepy as hell and reminds me of Heath's version of The Joker in The Dark Knight.
 
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A friend of mine who is actually British went to see the new Sherlock Holmes film . And while he enjoy it he in turn introduced me to a brand new BBC tv series called Sherlock presents a contemporary update of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes detective stories.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b018ttws

I gave it a look and I can honestly say this series is so far very captivating and it fresh re-interaptation that actual works. Holmes is young and he's intelligent as ever with the aid of modern tech and forensics in his arsenal .


Yes, it's excellent and one of the best interpretations of the character I've seen. The casting of Freeman and Cumberbatch is perfect. I think the new series starts on BBC on 1st of January. :awesome:

Moriarty is pants though...
 
Yes, it's excellent and one of the best interpretations of the character I've seen. The casting of Freeman and Cumberbatch is perfect. I think the new series starts on BBC on 1st of January. :awesome:

Moriarty is pants though...

Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman chemistry is very reminiscent of Rathbone and Bruce with a bit of Downey Jr. and Law in it .






I can't wait for January 1 because Irene Adler makes an appearance.
 
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Surprise in the fact that
Holmes was camouflaged as the armchair. We all knew Holmes would survive as per the stories, but it was how they revealed it, and in the last way I expected.

Yeah, but I kind of expected
the camo to return. Same with the wedding gift. I kind of expected the callback.

A friend of mine who is actually British went to see the new Sherlock Holmes film . And while he enjoy it he in turn introduced me to a brand new BBC tv series called Sherlock presents a contemporary update of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes detective stories.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b018ttws

I gave it a look and I can honestly say this series is so far very captivating and it fresh re-interaptation that actual works. Holmes is young and he's intelligent as ever with the aid of modern tech and forensics in his arsenal .

His Moriarty is creepy as hell and reminds me of Heath's version of The Joker in The Dark Knight.


I love the show. One of my favorite things... ever. Can't wait for the new series. :woot:
 
I like the Sherlock miniseries but I don't like their version of Moriarty.

Jared Harris as Moriarty was awesome.
 
Yeah, but I kind of expected
the camo to return. Same with the wedding gift. I kind of expected the callback.



I love the show. One of my favorite things... ever. Can't wait for the new series. :woot:

I was so into it, I wasn't thinking ahead of time.

I love the show myself. Really looking forward to it.
 
Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman chemistry is very reminiscent of Rathbone and Bruce with a bit of Downey Jr. and Law in it .

I sort of wish Cumberbatch had accepted the role of the 11th doctor

He apparently didn't want it because he didn't want his face plastered on lunch boxes

Since Moffat co created "Sherlock" and produces "Doctor Who" both have started to act alike

Sherlock- Oh this is Christmas!

The Doctor- Oh this is Christmas!
 
As much as I like Cumberbatch, Matt Smith is THE Doctor.
 
Hated every second of this movie, honestly. I wanted to like it. I'm lukewarm on the first one, though I found it fun. Downey, Jr. and Law had good chemistry, and it as a decent popcorn flick.

Game of Shadows was just no fun. It was slow, and clearly thought itself more clever than it was. I don't know how a promising franchise can seem so stale on its first sequel.

That said, there were a few silver linings. Jared Harris was a great villainous presence, and Stephen Fry was clearly having fun. If they had a better script to work with, they really could have been memorable.
 
Saw this yesterday. I haven't seen the first. The first half bored me, but once it got past that, I enjoyed it. The biggest issue I had was caring about the characters; their conflicts felt contrived at the start. It got better as it went along, but I don't know if I'd sit through this past the one time.

Negativity aside, Guy Ritchie put some crazy visuals in this. If the direction and Downey's performance wasn't here, I'm pretty sure I'd have disliked this. Which is kind of a backhanded compliment on my part, but hey, it's true.

P.S. Hollywood: I like your action movies, but keep your elbow off the slo-mo button.
 
Being a massive Holmes fan, I expected to hate it, given the mixed reviews it's been getting. Some say the film is unfaithful and unintelligent compared to Doyle's stories, and inferior to the 2009 film. Some say it is much better than the 2009 film and retains the important elements of the source material despite being more action-packed. I have to say I agree with the latter. The 2009 movie IMO is a good action flick but not a great Holmes film, but the sequel for me is a good action film and a good Holmes film as well, deftly combining the intelligence and thrills of the book with the action and explosions the general audience seek out in these big budget movies. It's not the ideal Holmes movie I want, but it's a really cool interpretation of the character I love. BTW, Harris as Moriarty is chilling.

Sherlock Holmes (2009)- 7.5/10
Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows- 8.5/10
 
Can someone tell me if there is a certain reading order for Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories?
 
Both films are kinda meh to me. I think they try too hard to appeal to the action crowd. I think I'd like these films if they dialed back the action and made them a little more cerebral. All of the twists I saw coming from a mile away. No slow mo. I do like the inner monologue when Holmes is figuring out how to kick some ones butt, though.
 
Can someone tell me if there is a certain reading order for Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories?

I'm a newbie when it comes to Sherlock Holmes myself. But my understanding of the SH canon based on what I've read on Wikipedia is that while the stories happen in a chronological order you don't have to read them that way. I'm sure some stories probaly make more sense read in a certin order. But at the same time The Hound of the Baskervilles was wrote after The Final Problem but The Hound of the Baskervilles takes place before The Final Problem.

I just bought the Complete Sherlock Holmes book (which has all four novals and fifty-six short stroies) last week so if I'm wrong please tell me. I plan to start reading this as sson as I finish Star Wars: A New Hope.
 
I'm a newbie when it comes to Sherlock Holmes myself. But my understanding of the SH canon based on what I've read on Wikipedia is that while the stories happen in a chronological order you don't have to read them that way. I'm sure some stories probaly make more sense read in a certin order. But at the same time The Hound of the Baskervilles was wrote after The Final Problem but The Hound of the Baskervilles takes place before The Final Problem.

I just bought the Complete Sherlock Holmes book (which has all four novals and fifty-six short stroies) last week so if I'm wrong please tell me. I plan to start reading this as sson as I finish Star Wars: A New Hope.

Thanks for the reply.

I got a Kindle for Christmas and also bought the book with four novels and 56 short stories. I think that should cover it. :woot:
 
I'd also reccomend getting House of Silk by Anthony Horowitz. I'm in the process of reading it and it's fantastic. As good as Doyle's stories. Horowitz knows the voice of Doyle and Holmes.
 
Saw it this Wednesday. What a great piece of cinematography. :up: Loved it!

And I'm really curious to see how they filmed the forest chase scene. :wow:
 
Game of Shadows ranked #68 on my top movies of 2011, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I've seen it in theaters twice and it still is within my "quite decent" category of films.
 
Out of curiosity, just how many movies have you seen this year??
 
Director Guy Ritchie and actors Robert Downey Junior (Sherlock Holmes) and Jude Law (Doctor Watson) return to the world of Sherlock Holmes to make a sequel to the 2009 box office hit, how does it fare to its Predecessor? I’d say it works, as a farce that is.

The problem with many sequels and like this one, is that the plot is practically the same, but with different focus on some aspects instead of the other, but the general gist of it is the following: More outrageous laugh out loud humor, less subtle, wacky dialogue between Watson and Holmes and in this movie instead of pondering is the antagonist a wizard or a man of science, we see the battle against Moriarty, what are his motivations? What does he gain from all of this? Why does he do this? So yeah it’s the same movie more or less.

Moriarty as a villain works, the movie begins months after the 1st film and off-screen Holmes has foiled and deduced plenty of Moriarty’s schemes but not the very end game of it, and these men have the big ego contest while the antagonist is more than happy to play very dirty and hurt those Holmes cares about, you can presumably understand what I mean by this.

I feel that people who cherish more subtle humor and with less expectations, will enjoy the 1st film more, but if you’re a fan of more outrageous, crazy over the top humor with some glorious slash fiction-inspiring scenery, you might enjoy this sequel more. I personally feel more subtle humor works when it comes to re-watch value, but this movie had many laugh out loud scenes that I will be remembering.

I felt the actors give their top performances yet again, but again they did go over the top with Holmes’ detective mode, the slow motion scenes where we see all the engine clockwork spins and at the very end we see such an over the top brawl-planning, that I can’t help but to keep calling this movie a farce of the 1st movie, that’s why I rather liked it for my viewing, it was just a parody of the 1st movie with enchanted bromance to the mix.

The music is a bit different from the 1st film, it has the same tune, but I felt the 1st movie had a better soundtrack from my favorite movie composer Hans Zimmer.

So again, you can either re-watch the 1st movie and enjoy it’s subtle humor, or you can watch an over the top outrageous farce, I’d say it’s definite worth to watch for 1 time, and maybe because of this review you may have lesser expectations that might make this movie a more surprise to you, who knows, right?
Sherlock Holmes: Game of Shadows Review
Ok, this review pisses me off on so many levels that I'm not even sure where to start...

Firstly, you come in here and quote your own review, which you wrote in such dictation as to imply a lofty understanding of cinema - as most critics do. Posting a review of a film in the form of your opinion is one thing, but when you flat out make declarative statements like "it was just a parody of the 1st movie with enchanted bromance to the mix" - and just a side note, what on earth does "enchanted bromance to the mix" mean? - that is what not only makes you seem ignorant but what turns me off from wanted to read any more of your reviews.

I find it insulting, as I rather enjoyed the film on multiple levels.

Now, before I go on to tackle each individual point you made, I'm first going to say that you need to find an editor for your articles. There are so many grammatical and structural errors within your review that it makes it hard for the reader to take it seriously (personally, at least).


Ok, on to your first point!

"the plot is practically the same"
How? The first movie was about a man who claims to be endowed with supernatural powers, but we learn is only trying to topple the British Parliament through the use of illusions and treachery. The second one is completely different!! With Moriarty you learn that he is directly linked to every major crime and evident large-scale corruption in Europe - what you do not know is why and how can we prove it. The entire mystery element of both films isn't even the same!!! The first film is about whether or not the villain is actual a supernatural entity (a very two-dimensional plot), but the second one skips over the surface entirely (why is Moriarty doing this) and jumps straight to the character clash between Holmes and his foil, Moriarty! Moriarty is in one way a complete opposite to Holmes, and in another he is the exact same; he is a sort of... Consulting Criminal.

The emphasis in the first film is plot, whereas in the second film it's more about character. I cannot even begin to understand how you consider the plots "pretty much the same" when you even say yourself: "instead of pondering is the antagonist a wizard or a man of science, we see the battle against Moriarty". That is completely different!! I guess in a sense you could say they are similar because they both have detective/mystery plots, but you cannot say "it's same movie" when the main focus of the second film isn't even the plot, it's character! Discussing "character" and "plot" is like the difference between night and day.

In terms of the first one having more "subtle humor" I don't think that's a fair statement either... How do you even measure that? The humour shown in both films is essentially the same, except for the inclusion of Mycroft - and might I add that the humour brought to the table by his character is very subtle, simply because of his character (besides his nudity).

Now on to the detective mode - The detective mode in the first film got very repetitive, whereas in this film they do it twice - the first time it is reminiscent of the first film and it is simply a call back, as if to say "yeah he still thinks like this", but the second time it is VERY different and only further emphasises how great of an adversary Moriarty is for Holmes; it pushed forward CHARACTER as opposed to PLOT, which is a stronger form of story-telling. If anything, they added a bit to the "detective" mode of the film, where Holmes actually sees specific elements in a room so that the audience can recall clues he might have overlooked (like the crest or the secret passage), whereas in the first film they didn't show the audience the clues Holmes uses to make his deductions (with him talking about the eagle, the lion, etc etc.), and this helps with things like audience inclusion and re-watch value (adding a sense of dramatic irony).

Again with the bromance? This is Sherlock Holmes; the vagueness of the nature of the Holmes/Watson relationship is a running joke within Holmes lore.

Now on to soundtrack - the soundtrack to the first film was very diverse and set the groundwork; the sequel takes out the thematic elements that did not fit, and builds on the rest to the point where Zimmer masterfully creates an incredible three-part thematic piece exploring the nature of Moriarty (now we get music based around character) and setting a more fitting environment (where the first film was too spread out and varied).

Now I'm sorry to make of you "the sacrificial lamb", but enough is enough. Critics bash on films that the general audience loves so that they can tell them that films that require more "thinking" are more admirable. It truly is ridiculous - they take advantage of films with ambiguity which leave audiences confused to tell them "this is what the film is - glorify me" and when a film can simplistically tell a story and feature very strong characters which require no in-depth explanation, they cast it out. Now you might ask "why?"; simply because it's their job to tell you what a film means - heaven forbid you, the average viewer understand a good film on your own.

And to the critics who aren't so narcissistic, they have a tendency to job on the bandwagon (like Christy Lemire or Ben Menkiewicz) or they just want to **** disturb (like Armand White).


Seriously, reviews are useless. Watch a film and decide for yourself - if it weren't for critics, Toy Story 3 wouldn't be considered a "masterpiece" (it's not - yes, it IS a great film, but imperfect? No. Not a 10/10. That's just nostalgia talking), Blade Runner (Special Edition) and No Country for Old Men or True Grit would not be regarded as incredible films, and films like Sherlock Holmes and the Empire Strikes Back (which was considered a bad film when it was first released) might actually be considered great, entertaining films.


Sorry, I just thought I'd get that off my chest. Drz, forgive me - I didn't mean to personally bash you; I merely meant to use your review as an exemplary review I take discomfort by.
 
Actually it is was pretty clear you meant to bash him. Adding that last bit at the end doesn't really change your intentions.

By the way, while I enjoyed A Game of Shadows quite a bit, it is pretty much the same film again. The one difference is the sequel has a stronger villain and a much weaker female lead.

Even the "conflict" between Holmes and Watson is the same. How many "one last jobs" can you have?
 
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Actually it is was pretty clear you meant to bash him. Adding that last bit at the end doesn't really change your intentions.

By the way, while I enjoyed A Game of Shadows quite a bit, it is pretty much the same film again. The one difference is the sequel has a stronger villain and a much weaker female lead.

Even the "conflict" between Holmes and Watson is the same. How many "one last jobs" can you have?

I disagree. Asteroid man made good points. The basic mystery set-up was completely different. Not the same film at all. Actually, I wouldn't really even call this new film a "mystery" film. The focus was not on "how did the antagonist accomplish x?" as it is in almost any mystery film or TV series, but instead focused on "How do we stop antagonist before he accomplishes x."

The format is different from the last film. And while I did enjoy this movie, I thought it moved a bit fast at times. Actually, I felt this film was more of an Indiana Jones style film that happened to feature Sherlock Holmes. Heck, I'd even that A Game of Shadows was a better Indiana Jones style film then the last Indiana Jones film. This is opposed to the last film, which I felt was a more traditional Sherlock Holmes story with elements of the classic "Indaina Jones style" action thrown in.
 
Ok, this review pisses me off on so many levels that I'm not even sure where to start...

Firstly, you come in here and quote your own review, which you wrote in such dictation as to imply a lofty understanding of cinema - as most critics do. Posting a review of a film in the form of your opinion is one thing, but when you flat out make declarative statements like "it was just a parody of the 1st movie with enchanted bromance to the mix" - and just a side note, what on earth does "enchanted bromance to the mix" mean? - that is what not only makes you seem ignorant but what turns me off from wanted to read any more of your reviews.

I find it insulting, as I rather enjoyed the film on multiple levels.

Now, before I go on to tackle each individual point you made, I'm first going to say that you need to find an editor for your articles. There are so many grammatical and structural errors within your review that it makes it hard for the reader to take it seriously (personally, at least).


Ok, on to your first point!

"the plot is practically the same"
How? The first movie was about a man who claims to be endowed with supernatural powers, but we learn is only trying to topple the British Parliament through the use of illusions and treachery. The second one is completely different!! With Moriarty you learn that he is directly linked to every major crime and evident large-scale corruption in Europe - what you do not know is why and how can we prove it. The entire mystery element of both films isn't even the same!!! The first film is about whether or not the villain is actual a supernatural entity (a very two-dimensional plot), but the second one skips over the surface entirely (why is Moriarty doing this) and jumps straight to the character clash between Holmes and his foil, Moriarty! Moriarty is in one way a complete opposite to Holmes, and in another he is the exact same; he is a sort of... Consulting Criminal.

The emphasis in the first film is plot, whereas in the second film it's more about character. I cannot even begin to understand how you consider the plots "pretty much the same" when you even say yourself: "instead of pondering is the antagonist a wizard or a man of science, we see the battle against Moriarty". That is completely different!! I guess in a sense you could say they are similar because they both have detective/mystery plots, but you cannot say "it's same movie" when the main focus of the second film isn't even the plot, it's character! Discussing "character" and "plot" is like the difference between night and day.

In terms of the first one having more "subtle humor" I don't think that's a fair statement either... How do you even measure that? The humour shown in both films is essentially the same, except for the inclusion of Mycroft - and might I add that the humour brought to the table by his character is very subtle, simply because of his character (besides his nudity).

Now on to the detective mode - The detective mode in the first film got very repetitive, whereas in this film they do it twice - the first time it is reminiscent of the first film and it is simply a call back, as if to say "yeah he still thinks like this", but the second time it is VERY different and only further emphasises how great of an adversary Moriarty is for Holmes; it pushed forward CHARACTER as opposed to PLOT, which is a stronger form of story-telling. If anything, they added a bit to the "detective" mode of the film, where Holmes actually sees specific elements in a room so that the audience can recall clues he might have overlooked (like the crest or the secret passage), whereas in the first film they didn't show the audience the clues Holmes uses to make his deductions (with him talking about the eagle, the lion, etc etc.), and this helps with things like audience inclusion and re-watch value (adding a sense of dramatic irony).

Again with the bromance? This is Sherlock Holmes; the vagueness of the nature of the Holmes/Watson relationship is a running joke within Holmes lore.

Now on to soundtrack - the soundtrack to the first film was very diverse and set the groundwork; the sequel takes out the thematic elements that did not fit, and builds on the rest to the point where Zimmer masterfully creates an incredible three-part thematic piece exploring the nature of Moriarty (now we get music based around character) and setting a more fitting environment (where the first film was too spread out and varied).

Now I'm sorry to make of you "the sacrificial lamb", but enough is enough. Critics bash on films that the general audience loves so that they can tell them that films that require more "thinking" are more admirable. It truly is ridiculous - they take advantage of films with ambiguity which leave audiences confused to tell them "this is what the film is - glorify me" and when a film can simplistically tell a story and feature very strong characters which require no in-depth explanation, they cast it out. Now you might ask "why?"; simply because it's their job to tell you what a film means - heaven forbid you, the average viewer understand a good film on your own.

And to the critics who aren't so narcissistic, they have a tendency to job on the bandwagon (like Christy Lemire or Ben Menkiewicz) or they just want to **** disturb (like Armand White).


Seriously, reviews are useless. Watch a film and decide for yourself - if it weren't for critics, Toy Story 3 wouldn't be considered a "masterpiece" (it's not - yes, it IS a great film, but imperfect? No. Not a 10/10. That's just nostalgia talking), Blade Runner (Special Edition) and No Country for Old Men or True Grit would not be regarded as incredible films, and films like Sherlock Holmes and the Empire Strikes Back (which was considered a bad film when it was first released) might actually be considered great, entertaining films.

Bravo. Very well written. I agree, people love to sound smart when they review movies, but it often ends up the other way.
 
Actually it is was pretty clear you meant to bash him. Adding that last bit at the end doesn't really change your intentions.
:doh: Ok look at it this way - a bunch of shepherds are leading humans around in circles. I'm stepping in to say "You don't need a shepherd to tell you where to go". It should only offend him if he actually believes he is in a position to shepherd the general audience.

Even the "conflict" between Holmes and Watson is the same. How many "one last jobs" can you have?
It wasn't a "one last job" film... Sherlock never said he wanted to quit... he just went after Moriarty and Moriarty went "**** you, I'm gonna kill everyone you were ever close to".

I disagree. Asteroid man made good points. The basic mystery set-up was completely different. Not the same film at all. Actually, I wouldn't really even call this new film a "mystery" film. The focus was not on "how did the antagonist accomplish x?" as it is in almost any mystery film or TV series, but instead focused on "How do we stop antagonist before he accomplishes x."

The format is different from the last film. And while I did enjoy this movie, I thought it moved a bit fast at times. Actually, I felt this film was more of an Indiana Jones style film that happened to feature Sherlock Holmes. Heck, I'd even that A Game of Shadows was a better Indiana Jones style film then the last Indiana Jones film. This is opposed to the last film, which I felt was a more traditional Sherlock Holmes story with elements of the classic "Indaina Jones style" action thrown in.
Exactly! Thank you!!!

Bravo. Very well written. I agree, people love to sound smart when they review movies, but it often ends up the other way.
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