shooter on the va tech campus

33 innocent people, college students, are killed abruptly on their quiet university campus (the largest mass shooting in this country's history) and you "don't even see where the shock should come from"?

:huh:

To say someone shouldn't be shocked by this is to say someone shouldn't be surprised by this. Which is to say someone should expect something like this to happen. I know we live in a dangerous world, but that's bloody absurd.
Expectation of the negative in this world should be common by now. I can go outside right now and hear over 20 gun shots without skipping a beat. Same for those around me. Not everyone is as sensitive to these type of situations.
 
Yeah, I wasn't shocked or surprised by this shootout. Saddened, yes; but not shocked.

Cmill, I do expect this crap to happen. I'd be willing to bet any amount of cash that it'll happen again. All we're doing now is mourning, the country will heal and move on...and it'll happen again. :(
 
Yea just like the parents of the Columbine kids that had every known weapon to man in their room. You are the person that your parents help you become. People that go on these rampages have something messed up in their heads and show signs of depression, rage, agression, etc...it is up for friends and family to notice these signs before things get out of control. It's like the parents that complain about violent tv and video games. Just don't let your kids watch or play them. But we really don't need to argue over this menial crap...a tragedy just happened and we need to respect those that lost their lives. It just makes me mad that people out there do this kind of crap. I would bring every single one of those murderers back to life and let them rot in jail for the rest of their lives to think about what they've done in their 7 by 5 cell.

Having done extensive research on this type of thing [although I'm no expert] it's pretty well known that it's not the parenting that caused this. As Babs said, there's tons beyond the parents' control. Eric Harris and Dyland Klebold were incredibly smart kids, and were able to hide everything from their parents- it's not like their parents gave them all their weapons and devices they used.

Eric was on medications for depression, but had stopped taking them. Here's the kicker- they believe the meds he was on had bad side-effects which could have caused his rage.

Parenting? Nope. The boys loved their parents. Both of them [if I remember correctly, may have just been Eric] apologized to their parents in the video they filmed of themselves the morning of the massacre.

Dylan was also commonly cited as the "rage" of the two- an influence over Eric that caused him to do the things he did. Once again, Dylan became this way when he was lonely and depressed, needing someone to reach out to... Eric came along, feeling the same way- much as about 95% of teenagers in this country do.

Every parent has flaws, so it's easy to just jump on, "My mom spanked me when I was a child, that's why I did it."

Same exact reason politicians blame video games and movies. It's an easy and obvious way out. Granted, we just now received the name of the killer, so a family history would give us a little insight as to if parenting actually had something to do with it... But as of yet, I haven't read of a school shooting by a child who had abusive parents.
 
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here is the bastard, cho seung-hoi
 
I get the feeling that the thread is now going to explode with theories about this now. At least it'll stop the finger getting pointed at the guys that didn't do it.

I wonder what the repercussions will be for forgein students.

Just to note he was an American citizen not a foreign student. He was only born in South Korea moved to America when he was young.

Some of the stories coming out of VTech are inspirational. Such as

An Israeli lecturer who died in the massacre at a U.S. university saved the lives of several students by blocking the doorway of his classroom from the approaching gunman before he was fatally shot, his son said Tuesday.

Students of Liviu Librescu, 76, a holocaust survivor who was an engineering science and mathematics lecturer at Virginia Tech for 20 years, sent e-mails to his wife, Marlena, telling of how he blocked the gunman's way and saved their lives, said the son, Joe.

"My father blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee," Joe Librescu said in a telephone interview from his home outside of Tel Aviv. "Students started opening windows and jumping out."
 
33 innocent people, college students, are killed abruptly on their quiet university campus (the largest mass shooting in this country's history) and you "don't even see where the shock should come from"?

:huh:

To say someone shouldn't be shocked by this is to say someone shouldn't be surprised by this. Which is to say someone should expect something like this to happen. I know we live in a dangerous world, but that's bloody absurd.

Seeing as how this is this is the 5th school shooting [granted, one was in Canada] in the span of less than a year... No, there's no place to be surprised. There's no absurdity about what Ky said at all.
 
An Israeli lecturer who died in the massacre at a U.S. university saved the lives of several students by blocking the doorway of his classroom from the approaching gunman before he was fatally shot, his son said Tuesday.

Students of Liviu Librescu, 76, a holocaust survivor who was an engineering science and mathematics lecturer at Virginia Tech for 20 years, sent e-mails to his wife, Marlena, telling of how he blocked the gunman's way and saved their lives, said the son, Joe.

"My father blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee," Joe Librescu said in a telephone interview from his home outside of Tel Aviv. "Students started opening windows and jumping out."

Now HE is a real hero... It's a shame he had to go out this way after surviving through the effin' Holocaust.

R.I.P.
 
Just to note he was an American citizen not a foreign student. He was only born in South Korea moved to America when he was young.

Some of the stories coming out of VTech are inspirational. Such as

so inspirational that i see a movie being made in 3 years.. :/
 
What ? lol You realize we can deploy a few hundred thousand soldier's every month and still have a nice reservoir to pick from for troops? And the only reason the US hasn't gone to war with Asia is the same reason they haven't gone to war with us. Nuclear Winter is a mother fugger.


True....and that is with a voluntary army.....tell me another country that can do that....

Understatement....:yay:
 
that "vt win a ps3 banner "is disgraceful if its on the hype or comingsoon.net as a native virginian i ask it be taken down at once
 
An Israeli lecturer who died in the massacre at a U.S. university saved the lives of several students by blocking the doorway of his classroom from the approaching gunman before he was fatally shot, his son said Tuesday.

Students of Liviu Librescu, 76, a holocaust survivor who was an engineering science and mathematics lecturer at Virginia Tech for 20 years, sent e-mails to his wife, Marlena, telling of how he blocked the gunman's way and saved their lives, said the son, Joe.

"My father blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee," Joe Librescu said in a telephone interview from his home outside of Tel Aviv. "Students started opening windows and jumping out."

Now HE is a real hero... It's a shame he had to go out this way after surviving through the effin' Holocaust.

R.I.P.

Stuff like this always makes you wonder (or at least me) would you be the guy who hears the shots and runs away or would you be the guy who tries to do something for the sake of others. God bless those who don't run.

I always wondered why a couple of guys didn't rush him...I mighta tried that...
 
unfortunately id probably be the former tho i'd rather be the latter
 
That Professor that blocked the door so his students could jump from the windows? There should be more people like him. :up: :up:

That's a true hero. :up:
 
Stuff like this always makes you wonder (or at least me) would you be the guy who hears the shots and runs away or would you be the guy who tries to do something for the sake of others. God bless those who don't run.

I always wondered why a couple of guys didn't rush him...I mighta tried that...

My mother and I actually discussed this.

When you think about it, when the shooter lined a bunch of people up and executed them [or so they suspect] in a classroom... That would have been a perfect time for me to jump on him, if I were to take that route.

I'm gonna get shot, why not do it saving someone, and possibly even myself? Chances are with you up in his face, he's not going to shoot you in the head, so right there your chances of survival are higher. Plus, just like on the other plane that didn't make it to any buildings on 9/11... One guy jumped the terrorist, so everyone else did too.

Maybe everyone else would have jumped on the shooter as well. Sure, someone may have been shot, but the chances that you could save a bunch more people would be well worth it.

Honestly, though, you can't blame people for not thinking that way. Not many people are around that type of thing all the time [not that I am, but a particular martial arts instructor I had used to train us pretty hard to think this way]. And even if they had- and the same goes for me and my mother- most people can't think straight in situations like that. The entire time they were probably all thinking, "I'm gonna die, I wish I could get out of here."
 
have they released a list of the deceased yet? a friend of mine has a brother that attends there but i havent talked to him.
 

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