Should a fourth Matrix movie be made?

[CyclopsWasRight]

Silly question. If you don't want to watch it then don't, but no sense saying it shouldn't be made for those who are interested

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

We'd all go see another Matrix film, but I think they should simply let it be at this point.

No "we" would not. I in fact did not see the third film in theaters because of my distain for the sequel.

 

[The Shape]

I enjoyed the ending of Revolutions, particularly the final fight. I was never into the stuff on Zion or the machines attacking ships and all that.

 

[X-Ray]

no but I'd see it.

but what's left to tell?

 

[CGHulk]

no but I'd see it.

but what's left to tell?

Trinity was pregnant and their son or daughter is the real chosen one. The cease fire had ended a while ago and he or she the true one, is who has to put a real end to the war! It's either the robots or the humans this time or all out aniallation for both! The real chosen one is at real grips with the latter!

 

[Blue Moon]

Instead of a movie, they should try a television series. Go back to a previous iteration of the Matrix and focus on a different 'one' and that person's journey to the Source. But there would probably need to be some retcons or revisions to what the Architect told Neo about the purpose of the 'one'. Recall that the Architect said there had been others before Neo and they all ended up at the Source one way or the other. Once there, they had the choice to either save their love/stay in the Matrix or basically 'reset' the Matrix and take the unplugged to Zion. Since Neo was the first to choose the former, it resulted in the peace with the machines and more or less the end of the story.

So go back to the first or second 'one' and focus on them waking up and rebelling against the system. Bring back the Oracle, the Merovingian, Jet Li's little brother and the agents but not with Agent Smith. Smith was the antithesis to Neo's specific oneness so the others would need their own unique Agent antagonist. Basically expand on the mythology with new characters but have a core group of human freedom fighters and a few Matrix programs as main cast. The pilot would be similar to the first and last 20 minutes of the first movie. So by episode 2, the lead will know they are in the Matrix and will have their powers grow throughout the season as he/she looks to wake up others and go to the source. The climax of the first season should be the One meeting the Architect and choosing to leave the Matrix with the rebels and they build Zion.

I think an overlooked aspect of the Matrix films were its set and wardrobe designs. The CGI was cool but the sets and costumes gave it an identity so a show would need the same. Plus directors to match the tone of the trilogy. Ideally the show could be pre-planned to run 3 or 4 seasons so the story will stay tight and more or less cohesive with the films.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the trilogy establish that Neo was just another anomaly who helped the Matrix system correct itself every so often.

Rendering the entire story of rebellion pointless.

Maybe the fourth film could expose Neo's experience in the sequels as an elaborate trick by the machines to lull Neo's comatose body (he was shot at the end of Matrix 1) back into a Matrix pod. In the fourth film Neo could be awakened again with no way to get to Zion. The rebels need Neo to find out what truly happened to Morpheus and the others since everything he thought he experienced was a lie.

Yes it would somewhat of a reboot but I think most people agree the sequels had wasted potential.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

I don't see why people outright hate the matrix sequels reloaded and revolutions. They are flawed sure but NO film is without flaws, plot holes etc. I enjoyed all three matrix movies and would LOVE a sequel trilogy or even a prequel trilogy. I know I probably mentioned this before, but the Matrix Online game had some really good storylines that took place after the events of the movies, that would be great for movies sequels to expand on.

 

[OcStat]

One can interpret Matrix 2 and Matrix 3 as describing a Matrix within the Matrix but that isn't necessary and it's actually less intellectual than it's pretending to be. It adds a layer of complexity to the mythology without making it a better allegory, it actually makes it a lesser allegory. I go by the interpretation that the robots and zion are the real world, and that the Matrix has become unstable in spite of Neo and Smith, just like Capitalism can become unstable in the real world in spite of its stabilisers.

I Like Matrix 1 and Matrix 2, they're good action movies, they're very true to the late 1990s, and they deliver a good analogy about mature capitalism. The third one is a pure action movie pretending to discuss the merits of super-jesus, it was too long, it felt like a Peter Jackson movie.

Care to elaborate on your views regarding The Matrix and Capitalism? I've heard a lot of different takes about what this story alludes to but never capitalism. If you don't want to get into it here maybe send me a PM?

Also, you said the Matrix has become unstable in spite of Neo and Smith, but they were the cause of that instability.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the trilogy establish that Neo was just another anomaly who helped the Matrix system correct itself every so often.

Rendering the entire story of rebellion pointless.

I don't see how that makes rebellion pointless, because the people in Zion had no idea about that. The One returns to the Source, and chooses humans to be released to start a new Zion, as each time the One returns to the source, Zion is destroyed. (IIRC). So, these new humans that are released, know nothing of their fellow Zionists who were just massacred, just that there are more humans held against their will by the machines. So the rebellion starts again and again up until Neo.

 

[DA_Champion]

Silly question. If you don't want to watch it then don't, but no sense saying it shouldn't be made for those who are interested

Silly response. If the Wachowskis spend two years making another Matrix then there's something else there not making 101, there's an opportunity cost.

 

[DA_Champion]

Care to elaborate on your views regarding The Matrix and Capitalism? I've heard a lot of different takes about what this story alludes to but never capitalism. If you don't want to get into it here maybe send me a PM?

Also, you said the Matrix has become unstable in spite of Neo and Smith, but they were the cause of that instability.



I don't see how that makes rebellion pointless, because the people in Zion had no idea about that. The One returns to the Source, and chooses humans to be released to start a new Zion, as each time the One returns to the source, Zion is destroyed. (IIRC). So, these new humans that are released, know nothing of their fellow Zionists who were just massacred, just that there are more humans held against their will by the machines. So the rebellion starts again and again up until Neo.

The Matrix is clearly a Marxist critique of capitalism, the speech that the architect gives qt the end of Matrix Reloaded is identical to the speech that theengineer gives at the end of Snowpiercer. The system is all, and revolutionaries are created to help purge the system of instabilities but sometimes they exceed expectations.

The atchitect talks sbout integral anomalies. Integral anomalies are crises in capitalism, which are considered inevitable. The architect seeks to balance them out by adding terms to the differential equations: Neo and Smith. Since these terms cancel out instabilities, they need to be precisely defined, because in the real world averting crises is quite hard.

The Matrix is set in modern America, not Feudal Europe or whatever. When we meet Neo at the start, he is bored by his job, in a manner explicitly communicative of labour alienation.

Thos covers the first two movies. The third movie is just CGI.

 

[DA_Champion]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the trilogy establish that Neo was just another anomaly who helped the Matrix system correct itself every so often.

Rendering the entire story of rebellion pointless.

Maybe the fourth film could expose Neo's experience in the sequels as an elaborate trick by the machines to lull Neo's comatose body (he was shot at the end of Matrix 1) back into a Matrix pod. In the fourth film Neo could be awakened again with no way to get to Zion. The rebels need Neo to find out what truly happened to Morpheus and the others since everything he thought he experienced was a lie.

Yes it would somewhat of a reboot but I think most people agree the sequels had wasted potential.

Neo was like Curtis Everett, he was created to take over the revolution and thus waste the energies that created it. However this particular Neo was different because the system had evolved, it had become too unstable and needed to be purged in spite of the integral anomalies.

Like in Snowpiercer, this was the revolution that mattered.

 

[Radu Molasar]

No, the only good Matrix movie was the first one. 2 & 3 are downright awful and a blemish.

 

[Dr. Remy Lebeau]

I'd watch a fourth one if there was a new lead and the story took us on a time travel adventure (I kid!). Certainly a different lead with a new direction would work. How about the concept that everything that happened in the last two films were actually a Matrix simulation in Morpheus' head when he got captured. The movie starts with him being saved (scene from the first film), him realizing Neo is not the One, and the search for the actual One!

 

[Octoberist]

I have a feeling that a fourth Matrix will be made some how, being a spin-off, a sequel, or prequel.

That being said, just leave it in the past. No to part 4, if I had it my way.

 

[gwynplaine]

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[ShadowBoxer]

The matrix was a ground breaking movie. With the advances in CGI, motion capture, and 3D a new matrix trilogy could be phenomenal. Again, I don't see why people take a dump on the second and third movies as they aren't as horrible as people make them out to be.

 

[elgaz]

I'd like a fourth movie, with Neo brought back. It turns out his connection to the 'source' in the real world - and thus his ability to control some of the machines - wasn't just a fluke or an effect of his time spent in the Matrix. As he was always intended to be the One by the machines, he is genetically different from other humans and has certain enhancements which were what allowed him to both control the Matrix and the machines outside the Matrix. The machines created Neo.

These enhancements were only activated when he was originally freed from the Matrix (and the pod in real life) by Morpheus.

Thus a sequel would involve Neo returning, but realising he is now both human and also, to a degree, part machine. I don't mean that in a literal cyborg sense, but in the sense that the machines bred him for a purpose other than to act as a power source, and no matter what happens he feels a connection to them. He is a bridge between both races. There are a lot of avenues that could be explored.

 

[Supernova]

I dont want another especially after how the 2nd and 3rd one ended. I dont think another Matrix movie would be big now by todays standards. The 1st Matrix came along at the right momentwhere computers were growing and the internet was booming and everything just clicked with the movie. They clearly had no idea what to do with the sequels idea wise and not too mention they killed most of the main characters including Neo himself.

 

[elgaz]

they killed most of the main characters including Neo himself.

That was never confirmed and left very ambiguous

 

[Zantera]

I think there's a difference in wanting a new movie and thinking it would be a good idea. After the previous two sequels, I would love a really good sequel (Reloaded has some amazing moments but overall a disappointment, Revolutions was just lame), but would it be a good idea, and could it be good? I'm skeptical. The original is in my top 10 movies of all time though.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

What if the machines create multiple Matrix systems to figure out which is best for machine survival.

Some humans are so good at testing the limits of these systems that the machines create programs based on these rebellious humans.

This means there are programs based on Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus who exist in various Matrix systems, some with very surreal and strange environments.

Maybe this could be a TV series along the lines of Sliders except far more interesting.

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

should another one be made?...

no...

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Well Morpheus died in this big Matrix Online event written by some of the filmmakers but I doubt that is considered canon.

 

[DarkKnight88]

That was never confirmed and left very ambiguous

The problem with sci-fi/fantasy. If you kill a character, keep them dead. It's so cliche to bring them back.