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Should Comedians Have Free Rein?

Should Comedians Have Free Rein and People Not Get Offended?

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So someones mom dies of cancer. The next day the comedian has the right to go up to the person and make fun of his/her mother's death?

A person get's crippled by a drunk driver. The next day a comedian is allowed to go make a joke about it to the person?

I really dont think this is one of those all or nothing scenarios

If someone out right makes a joke about cancer to individual, KNOWING they had just had a mother die of cancer, they're being an *******.

If a comedian gets on stage and makes a cancer joke to a crowd, some people will laugh, but some people will be offended. No one has the right to tell the comedian, or the people who laugh at his material what to think and feel. Just like no one has the right to tell people suffering to just get over it.

Scenario A: A girls mom dies of cancer, she hears a cancer joke and laughs at it.

Scenario B: A girls mom dies of cancer, she hears a cancer joke and is hurt by it.

Who is right? I believe its completely subjective. For instance, when I did stand up, my material was very dark. I'd joke about growing up in a abusive home. Most of my childhood stories start with, "So, I was alone and scared..." I laugh at it, while a lot of people feel sad about it.

A comedian I knew at the time would cover her face every time I'd perform, she was a very clean comedian, very up beat, her mind couldn't go the places my mind could because her own experience was very different then mine.

A part of performers job is to know their audience, or if just starting out, to know what audience he is trying to reach. Your job as member of a audience, wither it's comedy, comics, movies ect. Is to find art that speaks to YOU, not dictate what should resonate with others.

Plus, get to know some ****ing comedians would you? From my experience they're usually the most sensitive, compassionate people out there. They make jokes about life, the mundane and dark sides of it, because they themselves struggle with it.
 
Blackman seems to be taking the term "free rein" much too literally. He doesn't understand that a comic having free rein to joke about almost any topic is different from a comic having free rein to be a horrible, evil person.

What comedian knows intimate details of people in the audience and chooses to mock their personal tragedies? Blackman's examples do not make any sense and I'm not sure he understands what it is comedians do.
 
Comedians are always pushing the boundaries and there is no guidebook. You have to think outside the box in that profession. If your on stage it's expected that you'll cross the line at some point. Not everyone is going to like the same jokes , but limitations can hurt the comedians ability to be funny and unique. If it's too far or just mean spirited and not funny the audience will let them know
 
Recently every time a comedian says something and people get offended the common defense I hear is "Theyre a comedian. They always offend" or "They were being funny" or something along those lines.

So Im wondering should comedians just be able to say whatever they want and have people be "the weird ones" by being offended?

Should Louis CK be able to drop the n word multiple times in a set? Should Hannibal Burress be able to say the f word (the derogatory one toward homosexuals) and get a pass? Obviously people are going to get offended as long as people still exist, still...

I just wanna hear opinions on this.


I havent really ever gotten offended by a comedians bit. So I personally think theyre fine. However I would feel some type of way if a comedian, in this day, just started throwing out derogatory slurs toward any group of people.
Also I feel that sometimes certain jokes about death are just really weird.
Like, I remember Amy Schummer made a joke about Ryan Dunn's (from Jackass) death in front of one of his friends. For no real reason. It was random as hell and just came off as mean spirited to me. I mean I get that we really shouldnt be sympathetic toward Dunn because he was driving drunk and killed another person as well. But that's still stupid to me to make a joke about it right to his best friend's face.

And I read that at the Justin Bieber roast they were making jokes about Paul Walker. I mean Im not going to pretend that Walker was this great actor (like I saw some do after his death) but still why make a jokes about him. Were him and Bieber friends (which wouldve made it worse imo) or was it just because Ludacris was there.

Yes and No. I am 100% for free speech but comedy that flirts with hate or discrimination needs to be used sparingly. I don't want to say I'm the best comedian, but for those who care I'd like some feedback!

My joke of the day. Rank it for me!

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Me: And you are far richer than I?

Alien: Yep! Our planet is full of diamonds and gold.

Me: And your ahem, foot size is far bigger than mine.

Alien: Oh yes.

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Alien: Ummmm no!

Me: You're ****ting me.

Alien: That's part of the problem

Me: ( looking confused ), what are you talking about?!

Alien. ( Downward downward ) Mmmm, we smell with our testicles.
 
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How many people were amused by it? Do we have a count for that? Maher is an equal opportunity offender.

For those that were offended? Oh well. They move on and don't listen to Bil Maher anymore. Is that so difficult?
I said a similar thing about bill o'reilly. the people that don't like him and disagree with him just won't watch him, but he's still feeding the minds of millions of those who do watch him, believe him, look up to him, following what he's saying. what bill maher is doing is continuing a facilitation of associating anyone brown or middle eastern and/or muslim with a joke about terrorism or explosives or suicide or violence of the like.

now, for the people in society who just have a bad image of muslims i can't really blame them because of what's on the news every single day, but this kind of stuff does not help at all. but bill maher does not give a ish, and he's got a right not to so whatever. problems of the mind and society.
 
I said a similar thing about bill o'reilly. the people that don't like him and disagree with him just won't watch him, but he's still feeding the minds of millions of those who do watch him, believe him, look up to him, following what he's saying. what bill maher is doing is continuing a facilitation of associating anyone brown or middle eastern and/or muslim with a joke about terrorism or explosives or suicide or violence of the like.

now, for the people in society who just have a bad image of muslims i can't really blame them because of what's on the news every single day, but this kind of stuff does not help at all. but bill maher does not give a ish, and he's got a right not to so whatever. problems of the mind and society.


That's an extreme exaggeration, but even so, Mahr pokes fun at all kinds of people in our society, especially the most powerful "white" men in our country. If his show leans heavily on political humor, and if one of the biggest current political issues is how to deal with radical Islam and terrorism, why should "brown" people be off limits?
 
That's an extreme exaggeration, but even so, Mahr pokes fun at all kinds of people in our society, especially the most powerful "white" men in our country. If his show leans heavily on political humor, and if one of the biggest current political issues is how to deal with radical Islam and terrorism, why should "brown" people be off limits?
I'm not saying brown people should be off limits, i'm just tired of seeing any joke about brown people tied to terrorism, bombing, and violence of the like. that type of stuff isn't funny to me.
 
^ In that case, just flip the channel.

You don't have to find it funny, but you also don't have the right to dictate what a person can or can't joke about on TV based on your own personal tastes. Not everything on air is like American Idol where everyone gets to have their input.

Plus, I think you're exaggerating the extent to which Maher jokes about "brown" people. Most of what I've seen is him poking fun at Islamic extremism itself and not an entire ethnicity by extension. He does the same with Christianity.
 
So someones mom dies of cancer. The next day the comedian has the right to go up to the person and make fun of his/her mother's death?

A person get's crippled by a drunk driver. The next day a comedian is allowed to go make a joke about it to the person?

I really dont think this is one of those all or nothing scenarios

They absolutely should be allowed to. Whether the audience enjoys it is up to them.
 
^ In that case, just flip the channel.

You don't have to find it funny, but you also don't have the right to dictate what a person can or can't joke about on TV based on your own personal tastes. Not everything on air is like American Idol where everyone gets to have their input.

Plus, I think you're exaggerating the extent to which Maher jokes about "brown" people. Most of what I've seen is him poking fun at Islamic extremism itself and not an entire ethnicity by extension. He does the same with Christianity.
the people that don't like him and disagree with him just won't watch him, but he's still feeding the minds of millions of those who do watch him, believe him, look up to him, following what he's saying.

by all means, rip on all kinds of people in all the ways you seem fit. I never said I had the right to dictate what a comedian gets to say, I'm just voicing how in a case like this (loosely about lumping the ethnic group of the sub indian continent with that of the middle east), it makes me disheartened about society being progressive and wholly less ignorant. but there's plenty of other things that can be brought around the table. hell, russell peters does it and he's half brown.

on another side note, people never stop giving someone like eminem flack for his misogyny & homophobia but the thing is, he goes at EVERYONE. why should special attention be paid only when he says things like that?
 
the people that don't like him and disagree with him just won't watch him, but he's still feeding the minds of millions of those who do watch him, believe him, look up to him, following what he's saying.

So? That's part of having free speech. Free speech means that sometimes, unfortunately, the ***holes win.

by all means, rip on all kinds of people in all the ways you seem fit. I never said I had the right to dictate what a comedian gets to say, I'm just voicing how in a case like this (loosely about lumping the ethnic group of the sub indian continent with that of the middle east), it makes me disheartened about society being progressive and wholly less ignorant. but there's plenty of other things that can be brought around the table. hell, russell peters does it and he's half brown.

Again, I think you're exaggerating the extent to which Maher jokes about "brown" people. And I haven't seen him lump Indians with Middle-easterns. I have seen him though joke about how Hindus are more "Christian" than actual Christians, which I don't see as derogatory towards brown people.

Even then, it would/should still fall under free speech, even if he was misinformed.

on another side note, people never stop giving someone like eminem flack for his misogyny & homophobia but the thing is, he goes at EVERYONE. why should special attention be paid only when he says things like that?

I agree.
 
the people that don't like him and disagree with him just won't watch him, but he's still feeding the minds of millions of those who do watch him, believe him, look up to him, following what he's saying.

His show is aimed at Liberals and Democrats, and Mahr's humor and commentary only reinforces what most of his audience already feels.

Your whole problem with entertainers "feeding the minds of millions" with their ideas or beliefs doesn't make much sense. We're talking about entertainment, and in the world of entertainment, there is literally "something for everyone" to absorb and enjoy. Going by your logic, every single radio/TV personality and every single entertainment program (both fictional and reality-based) is "feeding the minds of millions" with various ideas. Same goes for nearly every Internet website, movie, documentary, politician, musician, comedian, mother, father, etc.

Despite what you seem to believe, people have the ability to choose what kind of entertainment or news source they want to view or enjoy. Most people are also (shockingly) capable of forming their own thoughts and beliefs, and are able to willingly agree or disagree with various comments and ideas.

It's not as if Bill Mahr is spewing mindless lies. Many of his beliefs are based in fact, and he also invites at least one guest on his show each week who is in complete disagreement with Mahr's thoughts to debate these topical issues and present the other side of each argument.


on another side note, people never stop giving someone like eminem flack for his misogyny & homophobia but the thing is, he goes at EVERYONE. why should special attention be paid only when he says things like that?

Those people are the same kind of idiots who would get offended by a Jewish joke made by a comedian. They are usually unfamiliar with Eminem's body of work, don't understand his "shtick", and are obsessed with political correctness.
 
So? That's part of having free speech. Free speech means that sometimes, unfortunately, the ***holes win.
this is true, but like... it's just so disheartening that people will continue to just conform with these bigoted ideals instead of wanting to be progressive and less ignorant about things. for those believing and falling under the right wing, there is no place in america where i or my family belongs just because of our background. before even getting to know us as people and seeing if we are fair to everyone we meet, because who we are, we're automatically seen as part of a group of people who don't deserve to be here. and I know now i'm started to go off on another tangent, but it's just like... bill maher, and his fans because he does have a respectably huge following, what they do and believe isn't always right, but they just are under the impression that they have it all figured out. so popularity wins. I lose. i don't think it's justice.

Again, I think you're exaggerating the extent to which Maher jokes about "brown" people. And I haven't seen him lump Indians with Middle-easterns. I have seen him though joke about how Hindus are more "Christian" than actual Christians, which I don't see as derogatory towards brown people.

Even then, it would/should still fall under free speech, even if he was misinformed.
perhaps I am. frankly most of the time i don't like a lot of the stuff bill maher's has done or said but this whole zayn malik thing pretty much tells me about his character and train of thought. it is free speech yes, and I think it is disappointing that something like that is supposed to be funny.

word.

His show is aimed at Liberals and Democrats, and Mahr's humor and commentary only reinforces what most of his audience already feels.

Your whole problem with entertainers "feeding the minds of millions" with their ideas or beliefs doesn't make much sense. We're talking about entertainment, and in the world of entertainment, there is literally "something for everyone" to absorb and enjoy. Going by your logic, every single radio/TV personality and every single entertainment program (both fictional and reality-based) is "feeding the minds of millions" with various ideas. Same goes for nearly every Internet website, movie, documentary, politician, musician, comedian, mother, father, etc.
Even for those people represented in media who I do follow and agree with most of the time, I want to make sure that I'm seeing all the sides of the case. For instance, I recently discovered this guy named reza aslan who a lot of the time I agree with and admire however.. I also pay attention to criticisms because no one is perfect and no one is always right.

i'll give you another more obscure example of the problem i'm talking about. there's channels on youtube dedicated to different video game brands. some nintendo, some xbox, some playstation. however, there are some out there that are straight up fanboys of their platforms, so they'll post information with misleading details with the intention of making the opposition look worse, and this attracts fanboys more, because that's what they follow. the thing is - being a fanboy in this sense isn't good thinking. it's like racism to me (i'm not saying it is anything LIKE racism, but it mechanically in the mind works the same) which is to say this day and age, those people who are racist will continue to just believe that other races outside of their own are inferior forever, no matter how much someone tries to convince them otherwise. likewise, someone who is an xbox fanboy will continue to rip on anything playstation no matter how much anyone tries to tell them how irrational their train of thought is.

and again, freedom of speech and thought, but does that make it right?

Despite what you seem to believe, people have the ability to choose what kind of entertainment or news source they want to view or enjoy. Most people are also (shockingly) capable of forming their own thoughts and beliefs, and are able to willingly agree or disagree with various comments and ideas.

It's not as if Bill Mahr is spewing mindless lies. Many of his beliefs are based in fact, and he also invites at least one guest on his show each week who is in complete disagreement with Mahr's thoughts to debate these topical issues and present the other side of each argument.
despite what I believe? I agree with you here, what I'm saying is that if you believe in something and someone on the media is broadcasting that same belief, it reinforces that thought even if it could be wrong. in my experience, most of the people bill maher brings along to oppose him ends up losing, and losing pretty badly. and I mean, makes them look like fools on television.

Those people are the same kind of idiots who would get offended by a Jewish joke made by a comedian. They are usually unfamiliar with Eminem's body of work, don't understand his "shtick", and are obsessed with political correctness.
so don't you agree that they should open their eyes a little more? and that the problem that they think they are addressing could actually be going to a much bigger picture?
 
What is Bill Maher reinforcing here? That the dude from One Direction looks like the Boston bomber? That's really all he said. There's no "hidden" racism.
 
What is Bill Maher reinforcing here? That the dude from One Direction looks like the Boston bomber? That's really all he said. There's no "hidden" racism.
really? so you think even if zayn didn't have the background that he does that bill would've still made that joke?

i for one don't think he would've said it if zayn wasn't half paki or from a muslim background. i don't even think he is muslim for that matter, but there's no escape from association with 'muslim' for the guy.
 
really? so you think even if zayn didn't have the background that he does that bill would've still made that joke?

i for one don't think he would've said it if zayn wasn't half paki or from a muslim background. i don't even think he is muslim for that matter, but there's no escape from association with 'muslim' for the guy.

I don't know nor care what Zayn's background is, and I still think Maher has a point.
 
I don't know nor care what Zayn's background is, and I still think Maher has a point.
which is? that zayn looks like the boston bomber?

well, my point is I don't think bill would've made that joke if zayn's background wasn't what it is.
 
which is? that zayn looks like the boston bomber?

Yes, that's about as far as the joke goes.

well, my point is I don't think bill would've made that joke if zayn's background wasn't what it is.

There's no way to know for sure. You're just projecting your personal sensibilities in this case.
 
Yes, that's about as far as the joke goes.



There's no way to know for sure. You're just projecting your personal sensibilities in this case.
I have no doubt that that is why bill maher made that joke. the punchline would not make sense to me otherwise.
 
this is true, but like... it's just so disheartening that people will continue to just conform with these bigoted ideals instead of wanting to be progressive and less ignorant about things. for those believing and falling under the right wing, there is no place in america where i or my family belongs just because of our background. before even getting to know us as people and seeing if we are fair to everyone we meet, because who we are, we're automatically seen as part of a group of people who don't deserve to be here. and I know now i'm started to go off on another tangent, but it's just like... bill maher, and his fans because he does have a respectably huge following, what they do and believe isn't always right, but they just are under the impression that they have it all figured out. so popularity wins. I lose. i don't think it's justice.

Maher is many things. But one thing he absolutely isn't is a bigot.

You need to understand that not every criticism towards Islam is a criticism towards the Islamic followers as people. People should be free to criticize extremist beliefs in Islam the same way we already criticize extremist beliefs in Christianity.

perhaps I am. frankly most of the time i don't like a lot of the stuff bill maher's has done or said but this whole zayn malik thing pretty much tells me about his character and train of thought. it is free speech yes, and I think it is disappointing that something like that is supposed to be funny.

The Zayn Malik thing is a perfect example of the PC crowd taking a joke too seriously.

It was a one-liner in his New Rules section. It's an equal opportunity offender by its very inception. The whole purpose of the section is to take cheap potshots at people and trends in society (minus the final rant at the end). It's taken about as many potshots at Muslims as it did at everything else.
 
Maher is many things. But one thing he absolutely isn't is a bigot.

You need to understand that not every criticism towards Islam is a criticism towards the Islamic followers as people. People should be free to criticize extremist beliefs in Islam the same way we already criticize extremist beliefs in Christianity.
alright, maybe bigoted is a bit harsh, but on the topic of religion i agree with reza aslan that bill maher is not really sophisticated. he seems to be the type of guy who would ignore intel that would give people (whom he does not think highly of) redeeming qualities, and instead would continue to stick to his rash opinions.



The Zayn Malik thing is a perfect example of the PC crowd taking a joke too seriously.

It was a one-liner in his New Rules section. It's an equal opportunity offender by its very inception. The whole purpose of the section is to take cheap potshots at people and trends in society (minus the final rant at the end). It's taken about as many potshots at Muslims as it did at everything else.
don't get me wrong, I did vote "yes" in this poll and I think that the whole "fans demanding an apology" thing should not be returned to. zayn malik should say something himself if he had a problem with what bill said and bill should apologize only if he thinks he was wrong, not because malik's fanbase is demanding it from him.

it's just with me personally, i don't like jokes like the one he did, i really don't. i wouldn't go out of my way to make a big deal out if it if i was that celebrity, but i would be upset that jokes like that were made about me. it's disheartening to me that it's supposed to be funny.
 
Anthony Jeselnik for the win.
 
Anthony Jeselnik for the win.
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