Should I buy Avengers Disassembled?

[Colossal Spoons]

Not the same thing, as well you know. The hawkeye explosion was a LOT larger.

And i'm not the one making excuses here either. :P

Not because of his ignited quiver. He flew into a Kree ship.

I would say though disassembled had a good few problems but i don't think hawkeyes lack of ability to remove a quiver was one of them.

That was/is my main problem actually.

 

[gildea]

Not because of his ignited quiver. He flew into a Kree ship.

I'm making what I consider to be a logical assumption here.

The explosions on the ground weere coming from the kree ground troops. For an explosion to take down a kree ship (as it did) it would have to be quite large I would imagine. I seriously doubt therefore the hand weaponry of the kree is capable of destroying one of their own ships therefore I'm assuming that all the explosive arrows in hawkeyes quiver would amount to something larger than a kree gun and hence larger than the explosions on the ground.

Given that it did manage to down the ship I think its a safe inferrence

That was/is my main problem actually.

Fair enough.

We disagree.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Right, I see what you mean about the explosion now but don't you agree that he could have thrown his quiver at the Kree soldier and then sent him flying like somebody suggested yesterday?

 

[Darthphere]

He flew into the engine of the Kree Ship. The explosion from his quivers couldve caused separate explosions withing the Kree ship that began in the engine room. Like how Tom Cruise took down the tripod in War of the Worlds with a mere 2 grenades.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I've never found that to be a problem myself. I'm more in the mindset of Gildea, I think. The only thing I didn't like about Disassembled was that the tie-ins didn't tie in... and that wasn't exactly the Disassembled arc's problem. I thought it was well written, powerful, and entertaining. The only problem I can see is that people remain mad about the death and destruction of the team, but I don't necessarilly think that's bad writing, simply something that not everyone cares about. My opinion, if someone doesn't care about all the death, they'll like it, but if someone was attached to the charcters, then they won't like it as much. I don't care about the deaths, so to me it was just a highly entertaining story

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm not mad that Clint died, I'm mad he died in the most ass way possible.

 

[gildea]

Right, I see what you mean about the explosion now but don't you agree that he could have thrown his quiver at the Kree soldier and then sent him flying like somebody suggested yesterday?

Not in the time allowed. From the panels he had roughly 10 seconds. If you've got a bomb with a short fuse on your back you have to act quickly

Firstly he had to remove multiple (4) interlocked quivers which would take some time. Significantly more than just one quiver due to their overlapping nature.
Secondly he would then have to over power a kree soldier WHILST carrying said quivers in his hand which would take more time. (or over power said soldier and hope he doesn't wake up when he's removing his quivers)
Thirdly he would have to attach multiple quivers to said kree soldier which again would take a significant amount of time.
Lastly once the kree soldier was out of hawkeyes grasp would he not have been able to regain control of his flying harness and direct himself at the avengers?

He flew into the engine of the Kree Ship. The explosion from his quivers couldve caused separate explosions withing the Kree ship that began in the engine room. Like how Tom Cruise took down the tripod in War of the Worlds with a mere 2 grenades.

Fair point.

I don't know how kree ships work but aren't engines supposed to be about controlled combustion? So to power ships that size the combustion must be quite significant, to overcome the shielding that must be in place to protect ship from said combustion i think the exploding quivers must have been quite large.

Also if we're going directly on scale the size of explosion two grenades would generate compared to the size of the tripod is actually quite significant.

Having said that as stated i've no idea how the ship work so it may well be wrong.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

I've never found that to be a problem myself. I'm more in the mindset of Gildea, I think. The only thing I didn't like about Disassembled was that the tie-ins didn't tie in... and that wasn't exactly the Disassembled arc's problem. I thought it was well written, powerful, and entertaining. The only problem I can see is that people remain mad about the death and destruction of the team, but I don't necessarilly think that's bad writing, simply something that not everyone cares about. My opinion, if someone doesn't care about all the death, they'll like it, but if someone was attached to the charcters, then they won't like it as much. I don't care about the deaths, so to me it was just a highly entertaining story

Basically that's true, but I loved Hawkeye and yet I wasn't incensed about the whole thing, now perhaps if I was an Ant Man fan....

So I think your statement is true in the majority, but not completely. I liked the character and I loved the entire arc regardless.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I was an Avengers fan, and Avengers Disassembled pretty much ripped the soul of the established Avengers out to replace it with the much different New Avengers. It was a means to an end, so I guess if you like the end you'd probably like the means. I don't like either, so I'd never recommend it to anyone.

I would, however, recommend Thor's tie-in. It was actually a major blessing that that story didn't really tie into the main Disassembled story very much, as far as I'm concerned. It made sense for that particular story to not tie in, though: it took place in an entirely different dimension and, as Thor stated, it was a matter for gods to handle among themselves.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I was an Avengers fan, and Avengers Disassembled pretty much ripped the soul of the established Avengers out to replace it with the much different New Avengers. It was a means to an end, so I guess if you like the end you'd probably like the means. I don't like either, so I'd never recommend it to anyone.

I would, however, recommend Thor's tie-in. It was actually a major blessing that that story didn't really tie into the main Disassembled story very much, as far as I'm concerned. It made sense for that particular story to not tie in, though: it took place in an entirely different dimension and, as Thor stated, it was a matter for gods to handle among themselves.

The Thor story was excellent. It's the only Thor story I ever actually enjoyed.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That last part is sad, but I agree, it was a great story. Oeming managed to answer the lingering questions from the King Thor story while keeping the focus squarely on the story he wanted to tell.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I never read much of the King Thor comics. Were they good for a non-typical Thor fan? I read the issue where they found Odin dead, and though it was okay, it didn't make me want to read more. Was it any better than that?

 

[Slim31]

Another question forwarded to y'all.

Tell me what's good and not.

Note I'm one of the ones who came on AFTER the New Avengers.

I would've said yes because they finally got rid of two useless characters but then they bring them back so I'll have to say NO(although She Hulk losing it was nice)

 

[Darthphere]

I would've said yes because they finally got rid of two useless characters but then they bring them back so I'll have to say NO(although She Hulk losing it was nice)

May I ask who these 2 "useless" characters are?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Given the characters who've come back, I'd guess Vision and Ant-Man. Even though neither of them are the same characters from the Avengers.

I never read much of the King Thor comics. Were they good for a non-typical Thor fan? I read the issue where they found Odin dead, and though it was okay, it didn't make me want to read more. Was it any better than that?

I'd recommend the Gods on Earth and Spiral TPBs to anyone who's into political superhero comics. They examine some interesting questions about theology and stuff in ways only superhero comics can.

 

[Vartha]

The only Disassembled TPB I'm getting is Thor, because of the fact I can't find Thor 80-85, and it's cheaper to buy the TPB than the 5 books seperate.

 

[Slim31]

Hawkeye and Vision

 

[Darthphere]

Hawkeye and Vision

Do you like New Avengers?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The only Disassembled TPB I'm getting is Thor, because of the fact I can't find Thor 80-85, and it's cheaper to buy the TPB than the 5 books seperate.

Do you not buy comics every week? I figured you would've hungrily gobbled up each issue of Thor as it came out.

 

[Vartha]

I never read much of the King Thor comics. Were they good for a non-typical Thor fan? I read the issue where they found Odin dead, and though it was okay, it didn't make me want to read more. Was it any better than that?

I liked all of the Lord Thor series, it was different seeing Thor in Odin's place with a son. It's just finding the TPB's with dishing out too much, since most are out of print.

 

[Slim31]

Do you like New Avengers?

Actually I do because aside from The Sentry(when he's in control) the rest of the team can be beaten. the old team with Thor, Hercules, Sersi etc etc were just to cheesy but then that's just my opinion.

 

[Vartha]

Do you not buy comics every week? I figured you would've hungrily gobbled up each issue of Thor as it came out.

Oh, I would have if I hadn't gotten a divorce. That put a stopper on MANY things, then I was layed off for a year, unemployment stinks income wise, and 2 years before the divorce I lost most of my Thor collection to a flood, so I've been keeping up through all the Thor fans and slowly picking up What I can of my fav Thor Storys.

 

[Darthphere]

Actually I do because aside from The Sentry(when he's in control) the rest of the team can be beaten. the old team with Thor, Hercules, Sersi etc etc were just to cheesy but then that's just my opinion.

So you dont mind pointless characters in Ronin and Spider-Woman on the team?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I was an Avengers fan, and Avengers Disassembled pretty much ripped the soul of the established Avengers out to replace it with the much different New Avengers. It was a means to an end, so I guess if you like the end you'd probably like the means. I don't like either, so I'd never recommend it to anyone.

I never got to read any Avengers before Disassembled.

 

[Darthphere]

I never got to read any Avengers before Disassembled.

Do it for America!