Should Marvel ever bring back Jean Grey and Peter Parker?

[Dasher10]

It looks like Nightcrawler is getting resurrected but Phoenix and Spider-Man are still KIA. I get that Hope Summers fills Phoenix's role on the team and Cable inherited her powers but it's been a decade now. I want to see her return.

Also, I really hate Ock as Spider-Man. Peter is such an iconic character that I've followed since I was a kid and it sucks that Marvel seems to want to keep him dead as long as possible, regardless of sales.

 

[Themanofbat]

Sales make a difference, and while we all anticipate Peter's return, what a unique opportunity to tell stories with this scenario... which will NEVER happen again. So while sales are good, why not take the opportunity to tell as many awesome stories with Ock in guise of Peter Parker? There were tons of stories that could have been told with the unmasking that went to the wayside because we only got to read about 6 months + of stories...

This is a lot more than a 6 month story arc, and while it's too bad that you're not enjoying them, this very long-time Spider-Man reader is enjoying the ride for as long as it takes.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Like MOB, I'm really loving Slott right now... probably because I know he's also an old-school fan. I also have followed Spidey since I was a kid and I was a kid a looong time ago. So, I know Pete will return. (The brain ain't the soul!)

But I Hope Jean Grey, dead since Uncanny 137, stays that way...and Emma Frost joins her.

 

[Dasher10]

Like MOB, I'm really loving Slott right now... probably because I know he's also an old-school fan. I also have followed Spidey since I was a kid and I was a kid a looong time ago. So, I know Pete will return. (The brain ain't the soul!)

But I Hope Jean Grey, dead since Uncanny 137, stays that way...and Emma Frost joins her.

In other words, you want Cyclops to suffer even more. Your thoughts on Cable, Marvel Girl, Havok and Hope?

 

[jonathancrane]

If I recall correctly, Jean Grey is alive, in Bendis' All New X-Men, albeit at a younger iteration...

 

[Dasher10]

If I recall correctly, Jean Grey is alive, in Bendis' All New X-Men, albeit at a younger iteration...

She's not the same character. I'm somebody who enjoyed the early issues of X-Factor as well as 90s-era X-Men. Plus, they're sending the original X-Men back in time by year's end so...

Point being, she's been dead for a very long time. At this point I expect Jack Murdoch and Ben Parker to return before Phoenix.

 

[The Squirrel]

Peter hasn't even been gone a year yet, pretty soon to be asking IF he will ever return.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I want both to return. Peter WILL be back eventually, but Jean... I don't know. I'm assuming she will eventually, but I'm not holding my breath for it to be soon.

 

[blalex620]

Well I can't speak on Peter but I read recently Marvel said they're bringing Jean back they just want it to be at the right time and with the right story. They said they're working on it now.

How long this takes, who knows. It would be cool if they brought her back while Cyclops is still a revolutionist. Maybe after the O5 from the past go back they'll resurrect her and put together the O5 in the present.

As far as Parker they should definitely bring him back soon. SpOck was cool but it's draw out and he just upsets me now lol.

 

[The Squirrel]

I think SpOck will vanish mysteriously around the same time that ASM2 comes out.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I have yet to get an answer on this, but I will try again: Other than being drawn as an unbelievable Hot Chick, what exactly is the appeal of Jean Grey that makes any fan want her to come back? I dislike Emma Frost too, but it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. Frost is a terrible person (sorry, I know she has fans, but that's how I call it.) but she has a discernible personality. What does Jean Grey bring to the table that's so danged unique?

I ask this all as a long time reader of Marvel books and consumer of their characters across media. In none of her incarnations has Jean ever been an interesting person to me. Am I missing something?

 

[JewishHobbit]

I have yet to get an answer on this, but I will try again: Other than being drawn as an unbelievable Hot Chick, what exactly is the appeal of Jean Grey that makes any fan want her to come back? I dislike Emma Frost too, but it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. Frost is a terrible person (sorry, I know she has fans, but that's how I call it.) but she has a discernible personality. What does Jean Grey bring to the table that's so danged unique?

I ask this all as a long time reader of Marvel books and consumer of their characters across media. In none of her incarnations has Jean ever been an interesting person to me. Am I missing something?

Jean's always been the heart of the X-Men for me. She represents family, love, and friendship to every member of the team. Kitty Pryde has evolved into that role, but it was Jean before it was Kitty and I think Jean wore it much better. She was the big sister to the younger members, the little sister to the older members.

And while she was often drawn attractive, I don't think I've ever seen her portrayed as 'the hot one'. Maybe in the early days when she was the only girl, but from the 80s on I saw other X-Woman in that role (Rogue, Dazzler, Psylocke, Emma). She always came across as the one the other women either looked up to or was jealous of, without Jean TRYING to be looked up to or made jealous of.

 

[runawayboulder]

I have yet to get an answer on this, but I will try again: Other than being drawn as an unbelievable Hot Chick, what exactly is the appeal of Jean Grey that makes any fan want her to come back? I dislike Emma Frost too, but it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. Frost is a terrible person (sorry, I know she has fans, but that's how I call it.) but she has a discernible personality. What does Jean Grey bring to the table that's so danged unique?

I ask this all as a long time reader of Marvel books and consumer of their characters across media. In none of her incarnations has Jean ever been an interesting person to me. Am I missing something?

She's the heart, soul and conscience for the X-Men. She's their moral compass and plays that role for the X-Men kinda like how Captain America does it for the Avengers.

 

[chamber-music]

I would happily trade Jean Grey for Hope Summers

 

[JewishHobbit]

That's a no brainer. We can even make it a two-fer and trade Hope & Emma for Jean.

 

[runawayboulder]

I would happily trade Jean Grey for Hope Summers

I thought that's what the point of AvX was to begin with but it just ended up being another lame Hero vs Hero event. That was the perfect window for Jean to come back and since they didn't do it there, I'm led to believe they're never going to bring her back.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I was a big reader in the 80's/90's of the X-Books but what those who responded to me described as Jean's traits and personality is just so bland and boilerplate.

Also, while Rogue and Ororo had some more revealing outfits in the 80's/90's they never were presented as often as big haired, big lipped, ultra busty, juicy bootied male fantasies as much as Jean. (Storm was beautiful when Byrne drew her, true, busty and all that, but then artists made her taller and thinner, changed her outfits ect. As for Rogue? She is such a non sexualized tomboy type when she first shows up. Not some Lil' Abner sex kitten. The post Jim Lee influence is what made so many mutant female characters into enhanced pornstar body types. But I digress...) Other than being lusted after by other team members (Scott, The Prof., Warren, Logan...) I have never loojed at her as either the nurturing mother figure or the tem concience. I don't even want to get into her cosmic BS (Really Morrison? "The White Hot Room?" What?). I feel she was part of a very important story that became a crutch to too many writers over the years. Maybe Jim Shooter was right? Maybe Jean needed to die. And maybe she needs to stay dead.... But kill Emma Frost before she takes her permanent leave of the land of the living.

 

[Lord]

She's not the same character. I'm somebody who enjoyed the early issues of X-Factor as well as 90s-era X-Men. Plus, they're sending the original X-Men back in time by year's end so...

Point being, she's been dead for a very long time. At this point I expect Jack Murdoch and Ben Parker to return before Phoenix.

Yes she is. I'm tired of 90s X-Men fans wanting everything like it was in their time, expecially considering the 90s were such a dark age for comics.

 

[Lord]

Also, Jean Grey is a giant Mary Sue type of character, not very interesting to read about that.

 

[runawayboulder]

Also, Jean Grey is a giant Mary Sue type of character, not very interesting to read about that.

That is so completely ridiculous it's not even funny. Unless you have some facts or reasons to back that statement up, all it does is come across as trolling.

 

[Lord]

That is so completely ridiculous it's not even funny. Unless you have some facts or reasons to back that statement up, all it does is come across as trolling.

How can i find examples of how she's a Mary Sue? If anything it's the lack of examples that make her a fleshed out character the reason for why she is a Mary Sue.

 

[runawayboulder]

 

[Lord]

This statement pretty much sums it all

I have never been a big fan of Jean Grey in any of her incarnations; she was always the definition of a Mary Sue to me. Too nice, too smart, too powerful, too kind, too beautiful (I mean she was a model at one point…gimme a break), too perfect, and everyone too in love with her.

 

[runawayboulder]

You still have yet to explain why she's such a "Mary Sue". You only lifted an opinion from a CBR writer and blindly agreed with it. Even in their article, they didn't even back up their statement with any facts to support it. It was just used to help the puff piece they wrote on X-Men Season One.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I agree, in my own way, with LORD. Jean is the definition of bland. Outside of her mutancy and being bonded to a regenerative cosmic force, tell me something, anything about Jean as acharacter that is not as broad and/or vague as "She's a caring nuturer". I think Jean, amongst all the female characters created at the MU's inception has had the least development as an individual character. She's defined as Scott's love interest, Logan's object of lust, Warren's object of lust, the Prof.'s object of lust... Anyone else seeing a pattern? I think she ran her course a long, long time ago. Not that bringing in Emma to the team is at all the ideal for me either. If Scott has to have a love interest maybe a huge change up is in order. He was involved with Collen Wing for a short time. She's not a well defined character either, but she's never been given much of a chance to be one over the years the way Jean has MANY MANY times. Why not put the time and effort into building a character like that up?

I put this all our there as someone that actually likes many a "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" type character (perhapsthis is why I recoil at Emma's ***** on wheels act.). But those have also had some interesting personality traits at a minimum. With Jean, there's not a lot of "there" there, so to speak. I say keep her dead. Dead dead, none of this "I'm in the white room at the end of the universe" crap. Have Scott move on to someone that IS NOT A PSYCHIC, and let's bring the ideas and dynamics the X books have been stuck in since the 80's up to date and into the 21st century.

Or Jean could come back again in the millionth retreading of her original "Death" story. Scotf can get angsty again, then learn of some way Jean has been\could be brought back only to lose her again. Lather, rinse, repeat. And repeat. And repeat. And...