The Force Awakens Should the Sequel Trilogy bring back the Old Characters?

[Darthphere]

It still makes sense. You have this cripple who is fighting an old man who isn't fighting to win or survive.

I remember people being scared Lucas was going to tinker with those fights and have Vader flying around doing backflips.

The lightsaber duels in the OT are more psychological than physical. Obi-Wan had no intention of actually fighting Vader in IV. In ESB, Vader is trying to recruit a very raw force user in Luke. And in ROTJ, Luke is trying to bring his father back to the light. The endgame in those fights was not to kill the other guy like it was in the PT.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I just think it's dumb looking to have Yoda twirling about, grunting and yelling and then show him barely being able to walk when he's not fighting. I'll give you Palpatine but I think more than anything it was the visual that bothered me not the actual ability to do it.

I'd say that it fits in with just about everything else in the PT. Great intention, sounds good on paper, however the execution is lacking.

It still makes sense. You have this cripple who is fighting an old man who isn't fighting to win or survive.

Dooku wasn't fighting to win either. And despite Vader's extensive injuries, he was still supposed to be far more powerful than the average jedi.

Vader hasn't seen the man who turned his wife against him, turned against him himself, maimed him severely to the point he is entombed in the black suit for his life for twenty years...

Yet all he does is poke his lightsaber at him.


I find that underwhelming in the context of the universe established.

 

[HowardStark]

My favorite Yoda line is though. If Powerful you are Why Leave. I know he looses and all but you rarely see ranking Jedi members boasting and Yoda was oozing confidence.

The problem I had with the fighting deal in the prequels was Obi Wan for he is so great during his fight with Maulm Grevious and Anakin but they make him too whimpy against Dooku.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I'd say that it fits in with just about everything else in the PT. Great intention, sounds good on paper, however the execution is lacking.



Dooku wasn't fighting to win either. And despite Vader's extensive injuries, he was still supposed to be far more powerful than the average jedi.

Vader hasn't seen the man who turned his wife against him, turned against him himself, maimed him severely to the point he is entombed in the black suit for his life for twenty years...

Yet all he does is poke his lightsaber at him.


I find that underwhelming in the context of the universe established.

Well there is a clear difference. Obi-Wan kind if figured he wasn't gonna survive and was prepared to be one with the force, something Sith don't understand. And with Vader, in terms of imagery, it doesn't suit this black bulk of a machine to be doing elaborate fighting.

We can argue this all day its just one of those things with continuity and with ideas and stories gradually changing over the course of the development process.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Yeah, it's better to leave it before it gets too heated. But it's just something I'll never really be able to reconcile with the rest of the saga.

 

[The Guard]

You know who they should bring back?

Vader.

 

[Rowsdower!]

You know who they should bring back?

Vader.

Only if they can get Hayden to come back...

 

[The Guard]

Oh, I'm sure someone cloned Anakin...at some point.

 

[LegendAssemble]

I didn't mind it. Palpatine is supposed to be the most powerful Sith ever, and Yoda the most powerful Jedi. They can manipulate the force like no one else. Dooku is a little different, but it didn't bother me.

In fact I find the only downside to the duels in the PT is that is makes Obi-Wan vs Darth Vader II seem incredibly underwhelming.

I agree I liked the prequel fights, but I think you're horribly wrong about Palpatine and Yoda, if anything they should not have been shown wielding lightsabers at all. Yoda was supposed to be like this wise old philosopher, not a warrior, he even says "wars not make one great". He instructed Luke to go into the cave without his weapons, it just seemed to me like he would defend himself with the force he wouldn't need a tiny lightsaber.

Palpatine on the other hand should not have even owned a lightsaber. In return of the Jedi he laughed at Luke for having one calling it a "Jedi Weapon" he held it like it was some kind of toy. Then when he got pissed off he just shot lightning at him, the way it looked in Jedi it didn't look like anyone could deflect that. He seemed like he was so evil and strong with the darkside he was above that sort of thing. It was cool seeing it when I was a kid but now it just makes him less scary and creepy in jedi.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Well there is a clear difference. Obi-Wan kind if figured he wasn't gonna survive and was prepared to be one with the force, something Sith don't understand. And with Vader, in terms of imagery, it doesn't suit this black bulk of a machine to be doing elaborate fighting.

We can argue this all day its just one of those things with continuity and with ideas and stories gradually changing over the course of the development process.

You can make excuses all you want but it had nothing to do with the story. The fact is Lucas instructed Guiness and Prowse that the lightsaber was very heavy "like wielding excalibur", so they had a totally different mindset in their acting. In addition they were short on budget and couldn't afford stunt doubles, Guiness was not in the best shape and Prowse was very awkward and clumsy to begin with, the suit made it much worse. not to mention they had different technology for the lightsaber special effects given they weren't sure how it would look on film, and as a result they were very fragile (Prowse broke many).

Anyway the fights just got increasingly bigger and faster as the films went on. The prequel trilogy fights were cool and all but I hate how underwhelming they make the original trilogy fights. Plus it would have been so much better to see a more dialogue oriented duel between Obi-Wan and Anakin. See Obi-Wan trying to bring Anakin back as he recalled in Jedi, seeing him only trying to defend himself through the fight, bring it full circle to Jedi (With the Luke and Vader fight being the same set up).

Idk, I just hate when fans and the EU try to retcon the fights because it just makes takes away from them. People should just be understanding of the physical and technological limits of the 80s vs the 2000s.

 

[HowardStark]

Admiral Akbar in a wheel chair would be awesome and him saying its a trap but his son could say no no dad we are safe and then there was an actual Trap by Dark jedi or whatever.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Oh, I'm sure someone cloned Anakin...at some point.

There was a Darth Vader clone in the comics a while back ago, but he was mentally handicapped and lasted like one issue.

 

[Lord]

I agree I liked the prequel fights, but I think you're horribly wrong about Palpatine and Yoda, if anything they should not have been shown wielding lightsabers at all. Yoda was supposed to be like this wise old philosopher, not a warrior, he even says "wars not make one great". He instructed Luke to go into the cave without his weapons, it just seemed to me like he would defend himself with the force he wouldn't need a tiny lightsaber.

Palpatine on the other hand should not have even owned a lightsaber. In return of the Jedi he laughed at Luke for having one calling it a "Jedi Weapon" he held it like it was some kind of toy. Then when he got pissed off he just shot lightning at him, the way it looked in Jedi it didn't look like anyone could deflect that. He seemed like he was so evil and strong with the darkside he was above that sort of thing. It was cool seeing it when I was a kid but now it just makes him less scary and creepy in jedi.

Yeah, the most powerful Jedi and Sith shouldn't have been such big users of lightsabers, while i liked Palpatine vs Yoda that should have been a complete force fight, in fact the part when palpatine was throwing those platforms at Yoda were some of the best parts of the fight.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

I agree with most of this but the makers of the movie need to address the problems with the prequels rather than continue to make the same mistakes.

Thank you for your response. Allow me to address some of your points.

#1: No hokey politics. I don't want to see any of the Senate or any of that crap. In Star Wars it was pretty clear Lucas didn't really think out how their political system worked. It's an Empire with an Emperor but theres an Imperial Senate, with Regional Governors. Now this doesn't make a whole lot of sense but we don't see any of it and it isn't explained so we can assume we just don't know how it works. In the prequels we see the Senate and the politics are extremely convoluted, the whole thing is a big room full of aliens that have no military and applaud at everything anyone says. In the sequels I don't mind seeing hearing about the Senate but I think seeing them or making Important characters like Leia in charge would just make the universe feel too scripted and small.

I only suggested Leia might be the new leader of whatever government replaces the Empire (the New Republic) because she was an important leader in the Rebellion. I would assume Mon Mothma would be the first leader of this New Republic, but I believe the new trilogy should be age appropriate for the old actors, so it should be 30 to 40 years after ROTJ, so maybe in interim, Leia was elected. But again, it is more a cameo and sort of a nod to Anakin telling Padme that they could make things as they want them to be. I didn't mean that politics would be the focus of the new trilogy.

#2: I don't want to see a million Jedi, but if we have to, I don't want to see another Jedi Council. The big problem with the prequel Jedi is that they are some creepy cult. The kids are taken from birth raised in a sterol environment, hell in the EU it seems like once every character reaches puberty they have some sexual crisis, what happened with Anakin was only a matter of time. In the originals being a Jedi was so much more a choice, when Ben Kenobi tells Luke about how his father wanted to go with him on his adventures, then tells Luke "come with me", it seemed like more of a call to adventure than anyone could do. The biggest blow to me however was the Jedi Council, I love referencing them and they have become an iconic part of Star Wars, but it was a collection of the greatest Jedi in the Galaxy...sitting in a room debating. I mean is that really the Jedis greatest goals, not going on adventures, but to sit in a room and argue with other Jedi? The Jedi need to be cool again, more like Luke in Jedi, Ben in ANH, Qui-Gon, and less like Mace Windu, the boring no name characters that die in two seconds in Sith.

Funny thing is I originally wrote Luke would be the leader of a new Jedi Order, but changed it to Council so as not to look like I was advocating adapting the New Jedi Order books (which I do not like). But, I would assume Luke would reestablish the Jedi. But, that doesn't necessarily mean it would be established exactly as it was during the Old Republic. Perhaps with guidance from the spirits of Yoda, Obi-Wan, & Anakin, Luke tries to establish the Jedi and avoid the mistakes of the past...

#3: I don't want to see Hayden Christensen as Anakins Ghost, for one he didn't know he was going to be put in Return of the Jedi. The footage was from a costume test for Revenge of the Sith and Hayden was getting his hair cut. You can't see because it's from the front but Hayden actually had long Qui-Gon esc ponytail in the source footage. Not to mention it makes no sense he look like that, because isn't that evil Anakin? Isn't that the Anakin that fell to the Darkside, that murdered children? Shouldn't his ghost be the good Anakin, a 40 year old male? Recast him with someone more age appropriate and someone that resembles Sebastian Shaw in that unmasking scene. I honestly have nothing against Christensen as an actor or that change, I just think it doesn't make sense and it was more of a promotion for Episode III than anything else.

I knew the Hayden thing would not be popular. Yes, I too don't like his reaction in ROTJ and felt that George should have told Hayden what he was doing so he could act properly, not use some outtake and paste it into the scene. And as far as the "good" Anakin, that is also what he looked like right up until he turned to the darkside, so naturally it would also look like when he did turn. That is what he looked like the last time he was good, before he turned. Putting him into Episode VII is to re-establish his importance as the Chosen One, the one who brought balance in ROTJ, and whose high midichlorine count (or power in using the Force, if that term bends anyone out of shape) was supposedly passed down to generations of Skywalkers (Luke, Leia, and presumably the new character(s) of this trilogy). And perhaps that somehow plays into arc of the new trilogy.

#4: The new movies need to have more practical effects and sets and less clean green screen. Everything felt so fake in the prequels and the sets/props/costumes made it feel like a different universe at times. Like the lightsabers had big red buttons and looked more like toys than weapons, there was too much stuff going on in all the frames it looked too busy and cluttered compared to what we saw in the originals.

I more or less agree from a set point of view. I would like to avoid that "fake" look most prevalent in AOTC.

#5: We also need to have the cast return. Mark Hamil as an important mentor to the new hero. Some new non force related characters to balance out the magic and fantasy elements. Maybe Harrison Ford and Carrie Fischer in the later films to avoid making the universe seem small. But the big link should be the droids R2 and 3PO. Start it like A New Hope, that movie would be nearing it's 40th anniversary, to copy the plot to some degree would not seem as much of a rip off as paying homage at this point. Copy the small elements but make it something of it's own.

Definitely agree with the "big three," but should be supporting characters. Han & Leia would be more in the background (like less than Mace Windu in terms of screen time in the prequels) while Luke fits the role Alec Guiness had in the originals. But, the new big three for this trilogy should be new characters, and at least one should be of the Skywalker lineage. And yes, the droids are along too.

And I don't think the new trilogy should "rip off" the other films, but "rhyme" with them, as George called it. As such, I could see Luke dieing in Episode VII, to rhyme with Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan's deaths.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

... in fact the part when palpatine was throwing those platforms at Yoda were some of the best parts of the fight.

That was cool, and I liked the symbolism of that scene as well...

 

[Octoberist]

When it comes down to anything political in Star Wars, it's best if its regulated to the background. Otherwise it's boring jargon.

I liked how the Original Trilogy treated some of the political hissyfits within the Empire. Not only was it entertaining, it humanize some of the Imperial officers. Guys like Piett.

 

[LegendAssemble]

I only suggested Leia might be the new leader of whatever government replaces the Empire (the New Republic) because she was an important leader in the Rebellion. I would assume Mon Mothma would be the first leader of this New Republic, but I believe the new trilogy should be age appropriate for the old actors, so it should be 30 to 40 years after ROTJ, so maybe in interim, Leia was elected. But again, it is more a cameo and sort of a nod to Anakin telling Padme that they could make things as they want them to be. I didn't mean that politics would be the focus of the new trilogy.

I like that idea, I just worry it would make the universe feel smaller having all the characters we know being in such important places. It was already kind of pushing it having the only named and differently dressed characters be the leaders in Jedi (Han, Luke, Leia walk in like the dream team), and the prequels pushed it even more having Obi-Wan and Anakin AND Padme at the heart of every major event in the galaxy. It makes sense but I'd rather some new character be the leader of the Republic, and just have Leia be an imporant member of the Senate or Queen of her remaining people like in the original drafts of Episode VI/VII.

Funny thing is I originally wrote Luke would be the leader of a new Jedi Order, but changed it to Council so as not to look like I was advocating adapting the New Jedi Order books (which I do not like). But, I would assume Luke would reestablish the Jedi. But, that doesn't necessarily mean it would be established exactly as it was during the Old Republic. Perhaps with guidance from the spirits of Yoda, Obi-Wan, & Anakin, Luke tries to establish the Jedi and avoid the mistakes of the past...

I see what you're saying but I just love the original ending of Jedi so much, where Luke is alone having failed and walks off into the sunset to "pass on what he had learned" like in an old western. I would love to see that disturbed loner Luke so much! My idea is to have him have tried to reestablish the order but something happened that made him estranged from the others and has made him temporarily give up. After Lucas has stated multiple times the heroes (Obi-Wan/Luke) follow the heroes journey, and the end of the heroes journey is the reluctant call back to action, just as it began.

I just worry the whole, he's been doing the same thing since the last movie ended would suffer from the same problem Indy 4 did with keeping Indy in action over the 16 year absence.

I knew the Hayden thing would not be popular. Yes, I too don't like his reaction in ROTJ and felt that George should have told Hayden what he was doing so he could act properly, not use some outtake and paste it into the scene. And as far as the "good" Anakin, that is also what he looked like right up until he turned to the darkside, so naturally it would also look like when he did turn. That is what he looked like the last time he was good, before he turned. Putting him into Episode VII is to re-establish his importance as the Chosen One, the one who brought balance in ROTJ, and whose high midichlorine count (or power in using the Force, if that term bends anyone out of shape) was supposedly passed down to generations of Skywalkers (Luke, Leia, and presumably the new character(s) of this trilogy). And perhaps that somehow plays into arc of the new trilogy.

I see what you're saying and I honestly don't mind Haydens reaction that much, IMO it's a little more believable than Shaws (Who also didn't know what he was doing when he was filmed oddly enough.) The way he looks down at his body and smiles briefly it's like he's thinking "I'm me again". The only reason I don't want him to be Hayden in the new films is the fact he's Lukes father. He's supposed to be a very wise (especially given his experience as Vader) and great legendary Jedi, Haydens a good actor and he's a handsome man, but IMO he just doesn't have the presence the Ghost of Darth Vader should have. I too think Anakins ghost needs to appear, but perhaps as warning to the hero as he is going down the wrong path. There was a story where Anakins ghost could change from to himself at different points in his life and transformed into Vader to scare the hero of the dangers of the Darkside. Maybe something like this?

I more or less agree from a set point of view. I would like to avoid that "fake" look most prevalent in AOTC.

Yupp. The Jedi temple especially looked fake in that movie. Phantom Menace I've heard complaints about too, but it actually looked really good for late 90s CGI.

Definitely agree with the "big three," but should be supporting characters. Han & Leia would be more in the background (like less than Mace Windu in terms of screen time in the prequels) while Luke fits the role Alec Guiness had in the originals. But, the new big three for this trilogy should be new characters, and at least one should be of the Skywalker lineage. And yes, the droids are along too.

I agree one should be of Skywalker lineage but perhaps it should not be revealed until the end, or maybe even reveal he is related to Obi-Wan, bring the saga full circle. Kenobi mentors the Skywalkers, then the Skywalkers must mentor the new Kenobi? Could be a good reveal? Idk.

And I don't think the new trilogy should "rip off" the other films, but "rhyme" with them, as George called it. As such, I could see Luke dieing in Episode VII, to rhyme with Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan's deaths.

I agree but who ever writes these movies needs to make sure they rhyme thematically not just by events that take place. The best example of bad rhyming is in AOTC, with everything Count Dooku says/does that is supposed to mirror Vader and Luke. Dooku offers Obi-Wan the chance to join him after making a huge revelation, however the revelation didn't make much sense because what is going to do after Obi-Wan joins him to "destroy the sith" when he is one? Not to mention Obi-Wan just has to say no and he's not in as great a weak point as Luke was, beaten, bloody, handless learning everything you once held dear was built around lies. On the note of the hands also when Dooku cuts off Anakins hand it doesn't have any of the meaning Lukes loss did. When Lukes lost his hand partially punishment for taking the "quick and easy path" and facing Vader without the training he needed, beginning his path to the Darkside and losing his humanity just like his father. and partially symbolizing the loss of everything he relied on before this (losing his RIGHT hand, get it?). In Clones Anakin got his arm cut off because he wasn't a good sword fighter. I mean even if he had run in with Obi-Wan we saw how that turned out in Episode III, it still would have ended up being a One V One fight.

Thank you for reading all of that. You seem to know what you're talking about here

 

[LegendAssemble]

When it comes down to anything political in Star Wars, it's best if its regulated to the background. Otherwise it's boring jargon.

I liked how the Original Trilogy treated some of the political hissyfits within the Empire. Not only was it entertaining, it humanize some of the Imperial officers. Guys like Piett.

The political stuff in the prequels was just badly written and poorly thought out. And thats not Lucas' fault, well it is, but I mean this is Star Wars the politics are going to be the after thought and are going to be contrived to fit the story. Thats why they're best left off screen so we can imagine they're not as contrived as they appear.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Yeah, the most powerful Jedi and Sith shouldn't have been such big users of lightsabers, while i liked Palpatine vs Yoda that should have been a complete force fight, in fact the part when palpatine was throwing those platforms at Yoda were some of the best parts of the fight.

I personally think the fight should have been off screen and Palpatine should have been the only character we see using force lightning. That way we don't see his limitations and we just hear "damn he beat Yoda". In Jedi when he was using the lightning on Luke it came out of left field. I remember the first time I saw Return of the Jedi for that very reason. I was 5 and I was playing with my Star Wars toys watching it on VHS, then when he started shocking Luke I was like "Wait a minute he couldn't have just done that, I must have imagined, oh my god he's actually shooting lightning from his hands). It seemed like he was so powerful no one else did that after all, and it seemed like he could have done a lot more like use the force to stop his heart or snap his neck or light him on fire who knows?

Another problem I have with Palpatine is how he got his scars because in the originals it just seemed like he was really old, and it makes sense cuz he's super evil and he's the emperor (president age like 10 years over 4 years after all). I think they should have just showed him as aging greatly between each of the 3 films from just how evil he was, then in Jedi when he appears to us again for the first time in 25ish years he's this gaunt decrepit being. I mean thats what I always assumed before Episode III.

As for Yoda it was just silly, I mean I don't know about you guys but the theater I was in opening day was dying laughing during the whole fight. It was hysterical.

 

[Human Torch]

I think Lucas purposely made the duel in ANH inside a narrow corridor,so that eventually,(when you see what Jedi can actually do when given enough room) you'd understand that they couldn't pull any nifty moves on each other due to the confined space.

 

[FVD]

I'll be interested to see what happens to Ventress, whether she lives beyond the Clone Wars that remains to be seen.

And could there be Clones still alive during that period? Mind you the Cloning Facility on Kamino must have been shut down soon after the formation of the Empire.

Think they'll even consider utilising Mara Jade? Or should she be kept in the EU where she belongs?

And I like what Dave Filoni has done using some of the races from the OT in the Clone Wars series - the Duros, Ithorians, Rodians etc. Cad Bane was awesome too. Guess he'd be too old and I don't think we need too many Bounty Hunters but IG-88 could still be functional I suppose and I suppose Bossk might be too old or dead too.

Wouldn't mind some Mandalorians as well.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

I like that idea, I just worry it would make the universe feel smaller having all the characters we know being in such important places. It was already kind of pushing it having the only named and differently dressed characters be the leaders in Jedi (Han, Luke, Leia walk in like the dream team), and the prequels pushed it even more having Obi-Wan and Anakin AND Padme at the heart of every major event in the galaxy. It makes sense but I'd rather some new character be the leader of the Republic, and just have Leia be an imporant member of the Senate or Queen of her remaining people like in the original drafts of Episode VI/VII.

Not bad suggestions. Follows the supposed storyline before everything got truncated in ROTJ. My suggestion as leader was more off hand and to suggest the Skywalker influence being used for good. But, I think having a "big three" being at the heart of everything is the very core of these epic stories, so I have no problem with it. And this trilogy should follow another new core three.

I see what you're saying but I just love the original ending of Jedi so much, where Luke is alone having failed and walks off into the sunset to "pass on what he had learned" like in an old western. I would love to see that disturbed loner Luke so much! My idea is to have him have tried to reestablish the order but something happened that made him estranged from the others and has made him temporarily give up. After Lucas has stated multiple times the heroes (Obi-Wan/Luke) follow the heroes journey, and the end of the heroes journey is the reluctant call back to action, just as it began.

Again, not a bad idea. That could really turn Luke into the "old Ben crazy hermit" role, in which the "new core three" have to enlist his help, which includes training one or more of them. It would just seem odd that there would be no Jedi in this New Republic for 30+ years, when it seems Yoda indeed had wanted Luke to "pass on what he had learned." Could be interesting if Luke became like a Yojimbo character, though...

I see what you're saying and I honestly don't mind Haydens reaction that much, IMO it's a little more believable than Shaws (Who also didn't know what he was doing when he was filmed oddly enough.) The way he looks down at his body and smiles briefly it's like he's thinking "I'm me again". The only reason I don't want him to be Hayden in the new films is the fact he's Lukes father. He's supposed to be a very wise (especially given his experience as Vader) and great legendary Jedi, Haydens a good actor and he's a handsome man, but IMO he just doesn't have the presence the Ghost of Darth Vader should have. I too think Anakins ghost needs to appear, but perhaps as warning to the hero as he is going down the wrong path. There was a story where Anakins ghost could change from to himself at different points in his life and transformed into Vader to scare the hero of the dangers of the Darkside. Maybe something like this?

Actually, I saw Shaw's reaction as sort of a combo "I'm saved" and pride in Luke, while Hayden's looked a bit creepy. I was not a fan of Hayden's performance in the prequels, let me get that straight. (I feel Clone Wars is doing a better job). But, I do think because of his importance in the previous 6 movies, it needs some cross over here. I like the idea I highlighted in your post.

Yupp. The Jedi temple especially looked fake in that movie. Phantom Menace I've heard complaints about too, but it actually looked really good for late 90s CGI.

TPM made more use of practical sets and models, which is why I feel it looks the best of the prequels in that regard.

I agree one should be of Skywalker lineage but perhaps it should not be revealed until the end, or maybe even reveal he is related to Obi-Wan, bring the saga full circle. Kenobi mentors the Skywalkers, then the Skywalkers must mentor the new Kenobi? Could be a good reveal? Idk.

That would be an interesting twist! Maybe Obi-Wan meets someone while hiding on Tatooine and fathers a daughter (Hey, maybe the big three could be two females and one male and the Anakin/Luke of this trilogy is a girl!). Hey, and though they usually don't have flashbacks, but maybe they could get Ewan for a cameo flashback for this! (I know Bim would be up for that! t

I agree but who ever writes these movies needs to make sure they rhyme thematically not just by events that take place...

From what I'm hearing, the writer and whoever they get to be director will be big fans, and be on board with the different themes...

Thank you for reading all of that. You seem to know what you're talking about here

Thank you. I was 12 when Star Wars came out in 1977 and have been a huge fan of the Saga ever since. You certainly know a thing or two about the Saga yourself...

 

[Spider-Gnome]

And I like what Dave Filoni has done using some of the races from the OT in the Clone Wars series - the Duros, Ithorians, Rodians etc. Cad Bane was awesome too. Guess he'd be too old and I don't think we need too many Bounty Hunters but IG-88 could still be functional I suppose and I suppose Bossk might be too old or dead too.

I could see Dave being used in some kind of consultant role as well, as I think Clone Wars will be kept at least semi-canonical with the films.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Not bad suggestions. Follows the supposed storyline before everything got truncated in ROTJ. My suggestion as leader was more off hand and to suggest the Skywalker influence being used for good. But, I think having a "big three" being at the heart of everything is the very core of these epic stories, so I have no problem with it. And this trilogy should follow another new core three.

Yeah I mean given that Lando blew up the Death Star as a General, Leia lead multiple campaigns against the empire, and Han was an important figure as well it would make sense for them to be important figured in the new Republic. I just want to get back to when it was big an uncertain and it seemed like anything could happen, yah know?

Again, not a bad idea. That could really turn Luke into the "old Ben crazy hermit" role, in which the "new core three" have to enlist his help, which includes training one or more of them. It would just seem odd that there would be no Jedi in this New Republic for 30+ years, when it seems Yoda indeed had wanted Luke to "pass on what he had learned." Could be interesting if Luke became like a Yojimbo character, though...

I agree, there should be an attempt that Luke has tried to rebuild the order. My idea was to have him have set up the Jedi Academy and maybe when he was training one of Leia and Hans children they turned to the darkside and did something horrible. Leia blames Luke for this and Luke too blames himself, making him close off the academy and live in self exile over his failure. Just an idea though, I'm sure theres lots of ways to do it.

Actually, I saw Shaw's reaction as sort of a combo "I'm saved" and pride in Luke, while Hayden's looked a bit creepy. I was not a fan of Hayden's performance in the prequels, let me get that straight. (I feel Clone Wars is doing a better job). But, I do think because of his importance in the previous 6 movies, it needs some cross over here. I like the idea I highlighted in your post.

Personally I think Lucas cast Hayden for his looks more than his acting abilities and his strange directing techniques did not help either. I agree Shaws reaction was pretty perfect, the look he exchanges with Ben as he appears says a million words and the look he gives Luke he just looks like such a proud father. I agree there should be some continuity, but I just think I'd be weird for a chubby 60 something Mark Hamil to point to his 20 something abercombie model father for words of wisdom you know?

TPM made more use of practical sets and models, which is why I feel it looks the best of the prequels in that regard.

definately.

That would be an interesting twist! Maybe Obi-Wan meets someone while hiding on Tatooine and fathers a daughter (Hey, maybe the big three could be two females and one male and the Anakin/Luke of this trilogy is a girl!). Hey, and though they usually don't have flashbacks, but maybe they could get Ewan for a cameo flashback for this! (I know Bim would be up for that! t

They could always unretcon Leia as the "other" Yoda refered to?

From what I'm hearing, the writer and whoever they get to be director will be big fans, and be on board with the different themes...

Well thats not gonna be hard to find, given how many directors site Star Wars as their introduction to movies.

Thank you. I was 12 when Star Wars came out in 1977 and have been a huge fan of the Saga ever since. You certainly know a thing or two about the Saga yourself...

You're welcome, I was 6 when the Phantom Menace came out, but I loved Star Wars since the first time I saw ANH on TV when I was 4. I'm kinda happy I was young when the prequels came out because I loved them at the time, they just didn't age well as I grew up, while the originals keep getting better.

 

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I could see Dave being used in some kind of consultant role as well, as I think Clone Wars will be kept at least semi-canonical with the films.

Probably but given that the movies will probably take place like 40 years later the stories will probably won't interfere with one another.