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[Jennifer Walters]

All they do is fight low level threats and ninjas.

 

[Havok83]

Then if you ask me (and this is something I've been saying based purely on how that book is written), the New Avengers shouldn't be an Avengers team at all. They certainly don't feel like the Avengers. Maybe they should change their name.

which is why Mighty was created. Theres definetly a divide among readers. I never cared for the Avengers before until New Avengers #1 launched. I knew the old fans hated it but it gained alot of new fans like myself who embraced the new style and tone. Mighty was then created to appeal to those who were fond of the classic vibe that the team used to stand for. Its hard to please everyone but I think Marvel is doing a good job by keeping both as they do appeal to different fanbases.

 

[bored]

I think it'd be great to continue with multiple titles, so long as at least one is written by NOT Brian Bendis (Slott's "Mighty" is a blast, and just imagine if they let Ed Brubaker on one of those books).

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I was thinking about this the other day. If Thor and Iron Man can be friends again, I suppose anything is possible. I'll be a bit sad if it does happen and we get one comic called "Avengers" afterward, though. I like the Avengers being big enough to support a franchise and I like being able to read Avengers comics without having to read Bendis comics; it's pretty obvious that if we do end up with just one Avengers comic, Bendis will be writing it. Not a win in my book.

I honestly don't see why Thor wouldn't be friends with Tony again, Thor's usually really good about forgiveness for those who really want to change, as he himself has gone the route of tyranny and redemption, ego and humility. That, and he's just a forgiving guy (unless written in another book, then he's just angry)

I think there should really just be two Avengers teams (One state bound, one international.), and something like The Initiative for lower ranking characters, maybe something about reserve members of the two main teams.

Not sure how I'd feel about an international team. They tend to not rock.

The only reason the Avengers divided into more than one team is because one was pro-reg, and the other was anti-reg. Now they're both anti-reg, except Pym is the one who had the common sense to operate with international support instead of hiding. Now there's a real Avengers team, and a group who I'm not even sure what they're doing. If the New team had any sense, they'd form a united front with Pym's team.

Pym's team would probably care less what Clint's team is doing, and would want even LESS to do with Clint. "And they call ME crazy," is probably what Pym would say after meeting him, followed up with, "I know I created Ultron, hit my wife, and created robots to attack you guys, but even I know killing is sorta...wrong."

I dont want them to be the official team. I like them as the ones that dont quite play by the rules and who arent held back by morals and holding a certain image for the public and government. The team just works. You can have Mighty as the classic style team complete with Jarvis, official Avengers regristration, mansion, etc.. New needs its own distinctive thing which it already has. No need to connect them. They can be affiliated and allied on occasion, but they shouldnt be 2 teams of the same entity. They need to operate independent from the other

This is the first I've ever seen anybody actually prefer (in idea) a team like the Dark Avengers, over normal Avengers. o.o

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I honestly don't see why Thor wouldn't be friends with Tony again, Thor's usually really good about forgiveness for those who really want to change, as he himself has gone the route of tyranny and redemption, ego and humility. That, and he's just a forgiving guy (unless written in another book, then he's just angry)

Well, Tony's sins against Thor were pretty huge. I agree, Thor will probably forgive him when he sees how far Tony's gone to atone, but stealing Thor's genetic code, using it without his permission to create a counterfeit version of him, and making that counterfeit so incompetently that it went on to murder fellow heroes are all pretty big things to get over.

 

[Manic]

I think Thor compared taking the genetic code alone to grave-robbing.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

making that counterfeit so incompetently that it went on to murder fellow heroes are all pretty big things to get over.

Agreed on everything else, but wasn't that last bit the fault of Skrullowjacket?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It seemed like the fault of all three for not putting any kind of failsafes into a robotic clone of f***ing Thor. That's like building a nuclear bomb with a hairpin trigger and then being surprised that all of Kansas is suddenly missing because Bill accidentally knocked it off a shelf. What the hell did they think would happen?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Well, Tony's sins against Thor were pretty huge. I agree, Thor will probably forgive him when he sees how far Tony's gone to atone, but stealing Thor's genetic code, using it without his permission to create a counterfeit version of him, and making that counterfeit so incompetently that it went on to murder fellow heroes are all pretty big things to get over.

I think the sin of cloning him was huge, true. But when he stole Thor's gift, and perverted it into a weapon, that was pretty grievous as well, and Thor was quick to forgive and forget on it. Though, cloning is probably worse, since it turned a god into a weapon for mortals to manipulate and kill with. However, with completely shutting Tony down by vastly overpowering his armor, to just taking small chinks out of it (both with Tony trying to be apologetic, and somewhat explaining his situation), Thor seems to be coming around. With Cap coming back, and wanting to patch things with Tony, Thor will probably join in on the manlove.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

It seemed like the fault of all three for not putting any kind of failsafes into a robotic clone of f***ing Thor. That's like building a nuclear bomb with a hairpin trigger and then being surprised that all of Kansas is suddenly missing because Bill accidentally knocked it off a shelf. What the hell did they think would happen?

There were failsafes, they just...well...failed to failsafe. o.o

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Those are some really bad failsafes, then. You'd think two of the world's top scientists and one Skrull impersonating another of the world's top scientists would be able to do better.

 

[taskmaster]

Those are some really bad failsafes, then. You'd think two of the world's top scientists and one Skrull impersonating another of the world's top scientists would be able to do better.

The Skrull Yellowjacket could have made it kill Goliath on purpose to create more strife within the hero community.

 

[Manic]

I never thought of that possible retcon.

 

[Havok83]

This is the first I've ever seen anybody actually prefer (in idea) a team like the Dark Avengers, over normal Avengers. o.o

Um you misintrrepted my post. I was referring to the NEW Avengers, not the Dark team

 

[hippie_hunter]

So long as Marvel can sell more than one Avengers book, they can. Slott/Gage's MA has slipped to about 60k an issue but to be honest sales were slipping on that by the end of Bendis' run; readers clearly saw it as the B-Avengers title even when Bendis wrote it. That said, that's still healthy for a title.

I think if you put in the A-listers like Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, and Spider-Man you can have stronger sales even with Slott on the book.

Personally I want a book that has all the A-listers while focusing the characterization on the B-listers.

 

[fifthfiend]

Thor will forgive Tony because it's just not very Norse Godly to hold grudges. You know what you are if you're a Norse God going around holding grudges? Loki, that's who you are.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Those are some really bad failsafes, then. You'd think two of the world's top scientists and one Skrull impersonating another of the world's top scientists would be able to do better.

They were saying it might actually HAVE to do with his genetic makeup. He wasn't a human, and so the same failsafes probably wouldn't work. Which was odd, cause his brain was entirely robotic. =/

And you know what's really sad?

That skrull was impersonated by ANOTHER skrull.

Um you misintrrepted my post. I was referring to the NEW Avengers, not the Dark team

"I like them as the ones that dont quite play by the rules and who arent held back by morals and holding a certain image for the public and government"

That's literally the Dark Avengers to a T. They don't really play by the rules, none of them are held back by ANY morals, and despite the fact they attempt to maintain a public image and government, they generally seem to do what they want anyway. Or at least Moonstone does, what with picking up people and dropping them in the middle of the city. =/ And Bullseye. And Venom. And Draken. And so on and so forth.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

I never thought of that possible retcon.

Wait, that's not canon? I assumed that had already been confirmed.

Well, that's what I meant when I said the last bit "Clor killing Goliath" was Skrullowjacket's fault. It just seems a natural thing to do if one is trying to **** up the heroes.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know, incompetence worked just fine for me, especially the way Reed and Tony were portrayed in Civil War.

 

[Havok83]

"I like them as the ones that dont quite play by the rules and who arent held back by morals and holding a certain image for the public and government"

That's literally the Dark Avengers to a T. They don't really play by the rules, none of them are held back by ANY morals, and despite the fact they attempt to maintain a public image and government, they generally seem to do what they want anyway. Or at least Moonstone does, what with picking up people and dropping them in the middle of the city. =/ And Bullseye. And Venom. And Draken. And so on and so forth.

except Im not talking about the Dark Avengers. They are a team of villians; the New Avengers are not.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I don't know, incompetence worked just fine for me, especially the way Reed and Tony were portrayed in Civil War.

That, and high-levels of callousness not usually evident in EITHER of them.

"So, we're cloning what amounts to one of your ONLY friends, right Tony?"

"Yah."

"And you don't really have a problem with this?"

"Should I?"

except Im not talking about the Dark Avengers. They are a team of villians; the New Avengers are not.

Yeah, except for the example you set forth fits the Dark Avengers more than the New Avengers. Now, if you threw in, "People who generally tend to be rational are following someone who is currently bat**** crazy, and is looking for blood, and can't hold the team together despite what is normally fantastic leadership skill" then I'd have said, "OH!!! New Avengers." But I see what you mean now.

 

[Havok83]

Yeah, except for the example you set forth fits the Dark Avengers more than the New Avengers. Now, if you threw in, "People who generally tend to be rational are following someone who is currently bat**** crazy, and is looking for blood, and can't hold the team together despite what is normally fantastic leadership skill" then I'd have said, "OH!!! New Avengers." But I see what you mean now.

Dark Avengers has only been around for 9 issues. What I described is what New Avengers has been before Dark even came about

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

That, and high-levels of callousness not usually evident in EITHER of them.

"So, we're cloning what amounts to one of your ONLY friends, right Tony?"

"Yah."

"And you don't really have a problem with this?"

"Should I?"

Followed by a high-five.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Dark Avengers has only been around for 9 issues. What I described is what New Avengers has been before Dark even came about

The NA had morals. That was their entire deal. o.o

Followed by a high-five.

Actually, it'd be:

Reed: "Exactly"

THEN the high five.

 

[Havok83]

The NA had morals. That was their entire deal. o.o

and I never said they didnt have any