Siege

[Spider-Jay420]

I hear ya, and I totally agree. But this simply was NOT a Spider-man story.

Cap Thor Iron Man vs Osborn Loki Void.

Osborn was elevated beyond Spider-Man and had bigger fish to fry, ya know? They should've done something with these two in ASM. More that just "New Ways To Die". Even during "American Son". Oh well, coulda shoulda woulda, I guess.

Again, at least us Spidey fans got SOMETHING! Yes, it was small and inconsequential, but it was something.

 

[Happenstance]

I do think Spidey needs to get a big moment to shine in an event soon, I mean he's a lot more powerful/agile than he gets credit for in the Marvel U with the rest of the heroes. I think the best we've had so far is Mr Fantastic being impressed with him during Civil War.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I saw it as Bob snapping back into it, realizing what he had done, and made it possible for them to kill Void, but that still doesn't make it any less of a ******** moment.

Bendis has consistently portrayed everything about the Sentry's powers as dependent on what's going on in Bob's head. The more he lets himself cut loose, the more powerful the Sentry is. The more timid Bob is about losing control, the weaker the Sentry is. The more bats*** crazy Bob becomes, the more the Void starts peeking through. If Bob doesn't want to die, nothing kills him.

This time, Bob did want to die. The moment itself may have been lame, but the logic of it works because of how tied into Bob's mind Bendis has always portrayed the Sentry/Void's powers.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea i can buy that. Bob Reynolds himself wanted to die, so even though the Void started coming out again, he wasn't at his true indestructible level.

Personally though, i do still think it was a bit anti climatic.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, I chalk that up to Bendis making the Sentry/Void literally unkillable beforehand. If he'd just portrayed Bob as really, really powerful rather than totally unbeatable, he'd have had more room for a satisfying conclusion that didn't rely on such an underwhelming scenario as Bob literally willing himself to die.

 

[Manic]

I do think Spidey needs to get a big moment to shine in an event soon, I mean he's a lot more powerful/agile than he gets credit for in the Marvel U with the rest of the heroes. I think the best we've had so far is Mr Fantastic being impressed with him during Civil War.

Spider-Mean should be a lot of things. Stronger, more experienced, able to shine during an event, married, unwilling to make compromises with the devil, able to take responsibility for his mistakes rather than wish them away, etc.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

But then he'd be approximately 786 years old, according to Joe Q's philosophy on comic book characterization.

 

[kguillou]

Spider-Mean should be a lot of things. Stronger, more experienced, able to shine during an event, married, unwilling to make compromises with the devil, able to take responsibility for his mistakes rather than wish them away, etc.

They're giving Daredevil his own event, I don't see why Spiderman couldnt get his own either. He's got the biggest rogues gallery in comics and he's never been the central focus of anything (unless you count civil war).

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe Spider-Man will get his own event. If this were like 3 months ago, you could've easily been b****ing about Daredevil never getting an event, yet here we are with Shadowland quickly becoming a huge deal. I'm sure Spider-Man'll get his turn eventually. They were still mopping up the colossal mess that was "One More Day" for most of last year.

 

[Happenstance]

I dont even think he needs his own event really, just a chance to be more than just the comic relief or guy bouncing around in the background

 

[Raiden]

Spider-man needs more respect from Marvel, which is something you don't hear about Batman or Superman from DC. Marvel is not treating Spidey like he's their most-recognizable superhero.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

His comics are selling well and his fans seem happy with them. I don't think Spider-Man's being disrespected just because Bendis didn't shoehorn a big win for him into an event that was in no way about him. Osborn ceased being "Spider-Man's villain" when he became the boss of every superhuman in the US. He became a villain with a much larger scope who embodied the entirely wrong way that the Marvel universe was treating its heroes for the past few years. Bendis chose to counter that with the ideals of the classic Avengers, placing Avengers mainstays opposite Osborn thematically. There was literally just no room for Spider-Man, regardless of where Osborn's villainous career started.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea the Gauntlet was a pretty good storyline, I stopped reading a few issues back though.

 

[Vartha]

Well I think Spidey has PLENTY of books on his own.
Thor hasn't had more than one ongoing since he's started in 1962.
There was a time I was getting sick of Spidey and Logan appearing everywhere they didn't need to be.
For years Marvel's kept him out of the Team books as a member of a team. I wouldn't complain too much. Spidey fans have had a AMAZING hero to follow for years.
We Thor fans have had to suffer for YEARS and are finally getting some Nice Thor stories.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I'm glad the Avengers are so prominent right now. They deserve it, given that they are actually supposed to be the most popular, respected team within the Marvel universe, yet they've largely been treated like the redheaded stepchild compared to Wolverine, the X-Men, and Spider-Man in Marvel's publishing habits.

 

[Brown Lantern]

Spider-man needs more respect from Marvel, which is something you don't hear about Batman or Superman from DC. Marvel is not treating Spidey like he's their most-recognizable superhero.

He is gaining more respect in the Marvel Universe. He is now one of the premier Avengers. As far as event go, he was the focal point of Civil War.

If you mean Spidey needs more respect from Marvel comics then I think you forgot a key aspect of his character; Spidey, like Rodney Dangerfield, gets no respect because that is his thing. What makes Spidey Spidey is that he is a normal guy who has downfalls like the rest of us. Having him be the star of a large event or saving the universe shatters the illusion of that Joe Schmo persona.

Ohh and lets not forget the miriad of toys, comic series, tv shows, and billion dollar movie franchises that Mavel makes of Spider-Man. Spidey gets more face time Superman and is on par with Batman.

Sorry for the rant, and I do see that you just want more out of the character, but Spidey is plenty represented.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

People are just upset that Spider-Man didn't get to knock Osborn out and quip about it for 3 pages in Siege.

 

[Brown Lantern]

People are just upset that Spider-Man didn't get to knock Osborn out and quip about it for 3 pages in Siege.

I thought people would be more mad that Phobos never showed up to take down the Void.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Ares isn't the flagship character of the Marvel universe, so people don't expect everything to be about him or his kid (even though they're awesome) the way they do Spider-Man. And in Siege: Secret Warriors, Phobos decided to channel his aggression over his father's death toward the President of the USA instead of, y'know, literally anyone who was actually involved in it. He killed a bunch of Secret Service agents and then babbled about mortals knowing their place and stuff.

 

[Brown Lantern]

WOW! I really want to read that now. What did Fury say about this kid going on a kill spree?

 

[Happenstance]

People are just upset that Spider-Man didn't get to knock Osborn out and quip about it for 3 pages in Siege.

To be fair, thats not what I was talking about. This is something ive just thought about while reading through the New Avengers run and various events since it started.

 

[Saint]

It's true; Spider-Man's unique relationship with Norman has been under-utilized throughout Siege; there's some potentially great material there that never appeared.

 

[Anubis]

Maaaaan f**k Spider-Man.

 

[Saint]

I thought people would be more mad that Phobos never showed up to take down the Void.

Now that you mention it, that does sound like a wasted opportunity.

Ares isn't the flagship character of the Marvel universe, so people don't expect everything to be about him or his kid (even though they're awesome) the way they do Spider-Man. And in Siege: Secret Warriors, Phobos decided to channel his aggression over his father's death toward the President of the USA instead of, y'know, literally anyone who was actually involved in it. He killed a bunch of Secret Service agents and then babbled about mortals knowing their place and stuff.

Okay, so it sounds like I'm not going to bother reading that, then.

 

[Alastor]

I was thinking about the whole "Osborn rising above Spider-Man" idea...Is Lex Luthor above Superman after becoming the President? Maybe to a degree; he is one of the prominent villains in the DCU, but still a SUPERMAN villain. Superman was a big influence in the downfall of Luthor, in a way that Spider-Man wasn't with Osborn. There was the "The List" one-shot, then we get a panel of Volstagg knocking Osborn out instead of Spider-Man webbing him up, or taking him one on one. Its just one of the many flaws of SIEGE really.