Simon Kinberg talks about the film's tone and story

[CyclopsWasRight]

I already posted this in the Reborn thread, but what the hey?

http://screenrant.com/simon-kinberg-x-men-days-future-past-fantastic-four-reboot/

From Den of Geek:

Sound fine. Doesn't sound like this grim-dark Nolan realism haters are imagining it is but less Movie-Science and more grounded real world Science.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...tastic-four-reboot-and-black-superheroes.html

Kingberg is describing this as a, "coming of age story" with with humor in it but its not a comedy. Also, the humor is less slapstick than before. The coming of age part doesn't surprise me since Mark Millar is involved and he co-created the Ultimate universe. He's also describing Trank's vision as "real."

I think the coming of age aspect will be more along the lines of Post-Graduates adjusting to the real world rather than high-schoolers discovering love trope.

I'm interested. Particularly since Kinberg is also producing as is Matthew Vaughn. I doubt that they're intentionally sabotaging this and making a terrible movie.

Of course not. Haters are coming up some crazy stupidity with this movie, not only do they talk as if it already came out and was terrible but they find a way to twist any bit of news into being a travesty.
Hell Disney may be cancelling the comics for the first time in history and they're blaming Fox instead of the ones doing it

This is the guy who wrote X-Men: Days of Future Past which is getting stellar reviews. People on here dislike him because he is working with Fox and the Fantastic Four movie. I am sure he is going to do a terrific job on FF.

People should also learn from DOFP. They thought it'd be crap as it was a Fox movie, it had too many characters, Quicksilver ect... And in the end it was awesome and none of that was a problem.

When someone says they're taking a grounded approach to this they should learn not to freak out and make assumptions as they were proven wrong quite recently.

Don't jump the gun.

One was eight years ago, the other is his most recent work. Which makes more sense to judge him by?

Fox hasn't made a bad CBM in 5 years. But haters choose to only remember the poor movies from before then.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

People should also learn from DOFP. They thought it'd be crap as it was a Fox movie, it had too many characters, Quicksilver ect... And in the end it was awesome and none of that was a problem.

When someone says they're taking a grounded approach to this they should learn not to freak out and make assumptions as they were proven wrong quite recently.

Don't jump the gun.

Fox hasn't made a bad CBM in 5 years. But haters choose to only remember the poor movies from before then.

What does DOFP prove other than the fact that Bryan Singer can make a great X-Men film? X1 and X2 were great flicks and that didn't stop both FF films from being terrible.

Forgive some of us if we're not sold on the "new Fox" just yet. Last year's Wolverine was nothing special and scored a paltry 69% on the Tomatometer so don't act like there was a consensus on that being a great film. Yes First Class was a good film but it was a terrible X-Men film.

Some of us are actually fans of the Fantastic Four and nothing Kinberg has said sounds like the source material. Dark. Grounded. Gritty. Blah blah blah. Stupidest idea I ever heard.

A "coming of age" story for the FF? Discovering their bodies doing strange things whatever. That's all been done before. There's nothing fresh about that at all and that's not what fans of the FF care about. They care about the Fantastic Four's FANTASTIC adventures.

Lastly, you are ignoring the fact that this film is underbudgeted. DOFP gets a quarter of a billion and a star studded cast and the *FANTASTIC* Four gets a 100 million and a cast of up and comers? Please. Just like the first time Fox is treating the FF like a second tier property. The FF were once a premier Marvel franchise just like the X-Men. They deserve better.

 

[EssayM]

Do you honestly think you could just show audiences an alcohol swilling billionaire in a mech, a World War II veteran with a shield, a blonde alien demigod with a hammer, a scientist green rage-monster, a man with a bow and arrow set, and a redhead with handguns all wearing costumes and all fighting an alien species in New York, possibly with twenty-story alien monsters/transports in the mix, all of which is followed by a scene where the drunk, the vet, the god, the scientist, the archer, and the spy all return to a restaurant and eat shawarma and become world-famous superhero celebrities......and people will just accept that?!

Yeah, Marvel totally jumped right into that and in no way spent five movies (three of them origin stories) just to set that up.

What does DOFP prove other than the fact that Bryan Singer can make a great X-Men film? X1 and X2 were great flicks and that didn't stop both FF films from being terrible.

Forgive some of us if we're not sold on the "new Fox" just yet. Last year's Wolverine was nothing special and scored a paltry 69% on the Tomatometer so don't act like there was a consensus on that being a great film. Yes First Class was a good film but it was a terrible X-Men film.

While people may have varying opinions on the films, it can at least be said that TW, FC, and now DOFP all take their material seriously (whereas stuff like TLS, Origins, and the Story FF films were all content to just be goofy comic book movies). So at least in that respect, Fox has made some progress.

Some of us are actually fans of the Fantastic Four and nothing Kinberg has said sounds like the source material. Dark. Grounded. Gritty. Blah blah blah. Stupidest idea I ever heard.

A "coming of age" story for the FF? Discovering their bodies doing strange things whatever. That's all been done before. There's nothing fresh about that at all and that's not what fans of the FF care about. They care about the Fantastic Four's FANTASTIC adventures.

If the tired origin story aspect is what's bothering you (which I agree, it is a bit overused), your problem is with Hollywood in general, not just Fox. Even Marvel has started all of their franchises off with an origin film. It's just what audiences have come to expect.

Lastly, you are ignoring the fact that this film is underbudgeted. DOFP gets a quarter of a billion and a star studded cast and the *FANTASTIC* Four gets a 100 million and a cast of up and comers? Please.

For one thing, the 100 mil budget was only speculated and could easily fluctuate over the course of filming.

Second, DoFP was a high-profile installment in a long-successful franchise, and most of its "star studded cast" were holdovers from previous films. Even with the Story films, the FF doesn't have anywhere near that kind of foothold.

 

[Nokio]

What does DOFP prove other than the fact that Bryan Singer can make a great X-Men film? X1 and X2 were great flicks and that didn't stop both FF films from being terrible.

Yes First Class was a good film but it was a terrible X-Men film.

Some of us are actually fans of the Fantastic Four and nothing Kinberg has said sounds like the source material. Dark. Grounded. Gritty. Blah blah blah. Stupidest idea I ever heard.

Singer made two great Xmen flicks???? I'm sorry but I can't agree. This is the same man who screwed up Superman. He's a hack when it comes to comics. Yeah he has some directorial talent but Singer needs to be kept away from any superhero movies. He has no idea what to do with them. The man doesn't even understand the characters. X1 and 2 were not good Xmen movies at all, they just didn't suck. FC was the same but better the X1-3. I actually enjoyed DOFP the most of all the X flicks but like the others it too wasn't a good Xmen movie.

Kinberg again is on board writing? Jeez these people at Fox keep going back to this man. Someone else who doesn't understand the characters and he's just as much to blame as Singer is for the mediocre X films we've gotten. Grounded??? What does that even mean. How is a comic movie grounded when the characters themselves have outlandish powers and villains???

 

[Dasher10]

What does DOFP prove other than the fact that Bryan Singer can make a great X-Men film? X1 and X2 were great flicks and that didn't stop both FF films from being terrible.

Yes First Class was a good film but it was a terrible X-Men film.

Some of us are actually fans of the Fantastic Four and nothing Kinberg has said sounds like the source material. Dark. Grounded. Gritty. Blah blah blah. Stupidest idea I ever heard.

Singer made two great Xmen flicks???? I'm sorry but I can't agree. This is the same man who screwed up Superman. He's a hack when it comes to comics. Yeah he has some directorial talent but Singer needs to be kept away from any superhero movies. He has no idea what to do with them. The man doesn't even understand the characters. X1 and 2 were not good Xmen movies at all, they just didn't suck. FC was the same but better the X1-3. I actually enjoyed DOFP the most of all the X flicks but like the others it too wasn't a good Xmen movie.

Kinberg again is on board writing? Jeez these people at Fox keep going back to this man. Someone else who doesn't understand the characters and he's just as much to blame as Singer is for the mediocre X films we've gotten. Grounded??? What does that even mean. How is a comic movie grounded when the characters themselves have outlandish powers and villains???

How were the characters wrong? I thought that Wolverine and Magneto were very close to the source material.

 

[starscream22]

How were the characters wrong? I thought that Wolverine and Magneto were very close to the source material.

Okay I'll give you that and Xavier which makes 3 X-characters that follow close to their source in the 14 years of making X-men films

Anyone else.......?

 

[Dasher10]

Okay I'll give you that and Xavier which makes 3 X-characters that follow close to their source in the 14 years of making X-men films

Anyone else.......?

Shadowcat, Nightcrawler, Mariko Yashida, Rogue, Iceman, Sabretooth, Mystique, Beast and Jean Grey. And for the record, I'm talking Rogue as Chris Claremont wrote her, not Scott Lobdell. I'm also talking about Beast's time in the Avengers before he grew comfortable with his appearance.

Storm, Colossus, Lady Deathstrike and Cyclops didn't have much to go on and as a result, they came across as boring. Then again, Colossus is boring in the comics.

I will grant you that Juggernaut, Stryker, Havok, Silver Samurai and Pyro approached In Name Only territory but I didn't mind since aside from the former, they were well executed. I'll also admit that Multiple Man, Psylocke, Maverick and Deadpool were completely butchered but those were all from X3 and X-Men Origins and neither of those were good movies. Plus, XMO is pretty much non-canon now and there's time to redo the characters who the films got wrong (aside from Havok of course).

Storm and Cyclops can actually become interesting. Lady Deathstrike won't be mind controlled. Stryker may leave the military to become a preacher. Harada may be turned into the Silver Samurai. Even Pyro may start off evil but then redeem himself instead of it being the other way around. Those are all possible now.

As for the characters who were completely butchered, it's safe to say that Juggernaut's rivalry with Xavier may actually come into play now when they find out that they're half-brothers. Maverick, Multiple Man and Psylocke may now no longer be evil. And of course Deadpool won't have his mouth sown shut and blades for arms.

The Sentinels were also pretty faithful in the 70s. The future versions were all Nimrods which isn't accurate but they were pretty awesome nonetheless.

 

[Dasher10]

And for the record, the MCU got Mandarin completely wrong and Winter Soldier worked for the Soviet Union and not Hydra. Captain America also died in a plane crash with the first Baron Zemo, not Red Skull. Abomination is also a Russian.

The MCU isn't 100% faithful to the source material either and that's hardly a bad thing. One of the main criticisms of Watchmen was that it was a shot for shot remake.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

And for the record, the MCU got Mandarin completely wrong and Winter Soldier worked for the Soviet Union and not Hydra. Captain America also died in a plane crash with the first Baron Zemo, not Red Skull. Abomination is also a Russian.

The MCU isn't 100% faithful to the source material either and that's hardly a bad thing. One of the main criticisms of Watchmen was that it was a shot for shot remake.

Jane Foster is a Physicist instead of a Nurse. Thor wasn't turned into Donald Blake. Heimdall and Sif aren't brother and Sister. Tony Stark is a smart ass but wasn't in the comics. Red Skull was trained by hitter and given a Red Skull mask, in the movie he was a super soldier subject with an actual red skull. Korath is a Blue Kree, unlike the movie. Steve didn't know Bucky before the war and Bucky was a teenage mascot of the team. Jarvis is a human not an A.I. Ultron was created by Ant-Man not Iron Man. Iron Patriot was Norman Osborn not Rhodey

 

[GoblinScrier]

Jane Foster is a Physicist instead of a Nurse. Thor wasn't turned into Donald Blake. Heimdall and Sif aren't brother and Sister. Tony Stark is a smart ass but wasn't in the comics. Red Skull was trained by hitter and given a Red Skull mask, in the movie he was a super soldier subject with an actual red skull. Korath is a Blue Kree, unlike the movie. Steve didn't know Bucky before the war and Bucky was a teenage mascot of the team. Jarvis is a human not an A.I. Ultron was created by Ant-Man not Iron Man. Iron Patriot was Norman Osborn not Rhodey

But the difference with all of those changes is that when I watch any of the movies from Marvel, it actually feels like I'm in the Marvel Universe versus any film from Fox, it feels like a Fox universe that just happens to have characters who share names from the comics...always has felt that way and doubt it will change...

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Jane Foster is a Physicist instead of a Nurse. Thor wasn't turned into Donald Blake. Heimdall and Sif aren't brother and Sister. Tony Stark is a smart ass but wasn't in the comics. Red Skull was trained by hitter and given a Red Skull mask, in the movie he was a super soldier subject with an actual red skull. Korath is a Blue Kree, unlike the movie. Steve didn't know Bucky before the war and Bucky was a teenage mascot of the team. Jarvis is a human not an A.I. Ultron was created by Ant-Man not Iron Man. Iron Patriot was Norman Osborn not Rhodey

We actually don't know that Heimdall and Sif are not brother and sister. It's never been broached. Maybe Sif was adopted?

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

But the difference with all of those changes is that when I watch any of the movies from Marvel, it actually feels like I'm in the Marvel Universe versus any film from Fox, it feels like a Fox universe that just happens to have characters who share names from the comics...always has felt that way and doubt it will change...

This.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Jane Foster is a Physicist instead of a Nurse. Thor wasn't turned into Donald Blake. Heimdall and Sif aren't brother and Sister. Tony Stark is a smart ass but wasn't in the comics. Red Skull was trained by hitter and given a Red Skull mask, in the movie he was a super soldier subject with an actual red skull. Korath is a Blue Kree, unlike the movie. Steve didn't know Bucky before the war and Bucky was a teenage mascot of the team. Jarvis is a human not an A.I. Ultron was created by Ant-Man not Iron Man. Iron Patriot was Norman Osborn not Rhodey

Stop talking senset:

 

[marvelrobbins]

But the difference with all of those changes is that when I watch any of the movies from Marvel, it actually feels like I'm in the Marvel Universe versus any film from Fox, it feels like a Fox universe that just happens to have characters who share names from the comics...always has felt that way and doubt it will change...

I see you will accept any change from marvel and call it great and bash anything from Fox.That's the entire problem to reaction from many here on FF reboot.

 

[Donut]

I see you will accept any change from marvel and call it great and bash anything from Fox.That's the entire problem to reaction from many here on FF reboot.

Some of the positive guys do the exact same thing. So dont act like thats only coming from the negative side of things

 

[starscream22]

Shadowcat, Nightcrawler, Mariko Yashida, Rogue, Iceman, Sabretooth, Mystique, Beast and Jean Grey. And for the record, I'm talking Rogue as Chris Claremont wrote her, not Scott Lobdell. I'm also talking about Beast's time in the Avengers before he grew comfortable with his appearance.

Storm, Colossus, Lady Deathstrike and Cyclops didn't have much to go on and as a result, they came across as boring. Then again, Colossus is boring in the comics.

I will grant you that Juggernaut, Stryker, Havok, Silver Samurai and Pyro approached In Name Only territory but I didn't mind since aside from the former, they were well executed. I'll also admit that Multiple Man, Psylocke, Maverick and Deadpool were completely butchered but those were all from X3 and X-Men Origins and neither of those were good movies. Plus, XMO is pretty much non-canon now and there's time to redo the characters who the films got wrong (aside from Havok of course).

Storm and Cyclops can actually become interesting. Lady Deathstrike won't be mind controlled. Stryker may leave the military to become a preacher. Harada may be turned into the Silver Samurai. Even Pyro may start off evil but then redeem himself instead of it being the other way around. Those are all possible now.

As for the characters who were completely butchered, it's safe to say that Juggernaut's rivalry with Xavier may actually come into play now when they find out that they're half-brothers. Maverick, Multiple Man and Psylocke may now no longer be evil. And of course Deadpool won't have his mouth sown shut and blades for arms.

The Sentinels were also pretty faithful in the 70s. The future versions were all Nimrods which isn't accurate but they were pretty awesome nonetheless.

Yea, I'll stick with the prior 3 mentioned, if YOU like the rest then fine. To me they're a big disappointment.

So I'll Stick with MCU and hoping X-men and F4 eventually land back there.

 

[starscream22]

And for the record, the MCU got Mandarin completely wrong and Winter Soldier worked for the Soviet Union and not Hydra. Captain America also died in a plane crash with the first Baron Zemo, not Red Skull. Abomination is also a Russian.

The MCU isn't 100% faithful to the source material either and that's hardly a bad thing. One of the main criticisms of Watchmen was that it was a shot for shot remake.

So.

I still like the MCU better.

Plus I think you're reaching a bit, either way FOX's track record for bastardizing Marvel characters if far greater. Thus the reason that most people don't want to see F4 there anymore.

Am I lying?

 

[Donut]

So.

I still like the MCU better.

Plus I think you're reaching a bit, either way FOX's track record for bastardizing Marvel characters if far greater. Thus the reason that most people don't want to see F4 there anymore.

Am I lying?

Nope

 

[starscream22]

Jane Foster is a Physicist instead of a Nurse. Thor wasn't turned into Donald Blake. Heimdall and Sif aren't brother and Sister. Tony Stark is a smart ass but wasn't in the comics. Red Skull was trained by hitter and given a Red Skull mask, in the movie he was a super soldier subject with an actual red skull. Korath is a Blue Kree, unlike the movie. Steve didn't know Bucky before the war and Bucky was a teenage mascot of the team. Jarvis is a human not an A.I. Ultron was created by Ant-Man not Iron Man. Iron Patriot was Norman Osborn not Rhodey

...........It's one thing to change some things about a character for the sake of the story you're trying to convey vs simply just shoehorning in random mutants or Spidey villains just for the heck of it.

MCU is in no ways perfect but I'll bet on Thor 2 before I would on 90% of what Fox has made.

 

[Tony Stark]

Sound fine. Doesn't sound like this grim-dark Nolan realism haters are imagining it is but less Movie-Science and more grounded real world Science.



I think the coming of age aspect will be more along the lines of Post-Graduates adjusting to the real world rather than high-schoolers discovering love trope.



Of course not. Haters are coming up some crazy stupidity with this movie, not only do they talk as if it already came out and was terrible but they find a way to twist any bit of news into being a travesty.
Hell Disney may be cancelling the comics for the first time in history and they're blaming Fox instead of the ones doing it



People should also learn from DOFP. They thought it'd be crap as it was a Fox movie, it had too many characters, Quicksilver ect... And in the end it was awesome and none of that was a problem.

When someone says they're taking a grounded approach to this they should learn not to freak out and make assumptions as they were proven wrong quite recently.

Don't jump the gun.





Fox hasn't made a bad CBM in 5 years. But haters choose to only remember the poor movies from before then.

Oh please, people with criticisms of the direction and decision making of the film are now haters? The Fantastic Four are my 2nd favorite Marvel Characters. I don't like the direction this is going, and I'm free to state my opinion, that doesn't make me a "hater".

As far as Fox not making a bad CBM in the last 5 years, you're talking about 3 films, all of them X-men films having nothing to do with FF. Fox hasn't made a good CBM outside the X-men franchise, and even two of those were horrible.

Finally, I don't know anyone who thought DOFP was going to be crap. It was one of the top 3 most anticipated summer films, so I don't know who you are referring to that thought it was going to suck because of Fox.

 

[Tony Stark]

I see you will accept any change from marvel and call it great and bash anything from Fox.That's the entire problem to reaction from many here on FF reboot.

Um no that's not it at all. I don't expect a literal interpretation from the comics and other studios have made some changes and I've been fine with it. Like Raimi using the organic web shooters, or having Doc Ock turn bad from an inhibitor chip. Or Nolan having Harvey Dent be Rachel Dawes' fiancé, and having him be burned rather than a chemical spill.


What's more important to me is that the spirit of the film be faithful to the comics. The spirit of the Story films was faithful, they were just bad movies, which is another problem. Heck even the Roger Corman version was faithful.

This movie has gone so far outside the boundries it's not even funny. Add to the fact that most FF fans can't stand Ultimate FF (it's easily the worst of the Ultimate series). Some of the worst parts from the Story films were what he borrowed from the Ultimate FF, i.e. Galactus (or I should say Ga-Lak-Tus).

This is not about changes from the comics, which is inevitable. It's about focus and direction.

You don't even have to listen to us, the studio is telling you exactly what they think of the project when they put it up against a Pixar film in the middle of June, guaranteeing it's failure.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Pretty much everyone thought DOFP was going to be great.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I see you will accept any change from marvel and call it great and bash anything from Fox.That's the entire problem to reaction from many here on FF reboot.

I think you're missing the point. Fox has been doing its own thing and they've done it for a while now. Some of the movies are pretty cool - I personally consider X2 one of the best CBMs - but they just don't feel like the comics a lot of us have grown up reading. That is something many of us feel Marvel does so well and certainly does a much better job at than Fox. Yes Marvel makes changes to serve the story and the audience but in the end the characters feel like the characters they are supposed to be, guys like Thor, Loki, and Steve Rogers practically leap off the page.

Sometimes what Fox does works but a lot of times it doesn't and outside of X-Men they've never hit paydirt with the comic characters they've leased from Marvel. I'm taking more of a wait and see attitude at the moment but everything I've heard about the FF (with the exception of Toby Kebbell) makes me think that this is one of the times where Fox doing their own thing will not work. Hey I'd love to be wrong but I just have a very bad feeling about this reboot.

 

[starscream22]

I see you will accept any change from marvel and call it great and bash anything from Fox.That's the entire problem to reaction from many here on FF reboot.

To be fair I don't think Marvel has done anything this extreme as Trank and company are. But if you wanna throw IM3's twist into this you're welcome to being that I've personally disregarded that franchise the same way I do Fox and Sony's disappointments.

Thor is on the ropes but despite that I'm still for MCU but the accusations that everything that the MCU does gets a pass has turned out to be a lie.

*In my Maury voice*

 

[metaphysician]

Pretty much everyone thought DOFP was going to be great.

I was very, very skeptical from early on, and pretty much expected an X3 level disaster. Thankfully, I was proven wrong once the reviews came in.