Simon Kinberg talks about the film's tone and story

[marvelrobbins]

Everyone knwoing DOFP would be great Is a rewriting of history.There were many negative things online leading up to release.

 

[JP]

Pretty much everyone thought DOFP was going to be great.

As someone who followed that film closely... no. It was me and maybe a handful of other posters who were positive/excited. Everyone else was constantly *****ing about every interview and still, *****ing about Singer, *****ing about Kinberg, *****ing about Quicksilver, *****ing about Wolverine, etc etc etc. It was the same thing with First Class.

 

[marvelrobbins]

As someone who followed that film closely... no. It was me and maybe a handful of other posters who were positive/excited. Everyone else was constantly *****ing about every interview and still, *****ing about Singer, *****ing about Kinberg, *****ing about Quicksilver, *****ing about Wolverine, etc etc etc. It was the same thing with First Class.

Preach treal history not rewriting it

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I dunno. Up until DOFP's release everything I read showed people were mostly positive about it. Sure you had your naysayers but I don't feel they represented the majority. I will admit to being very negative about First Class (which surprised me when I saw it) but that was coming off the heels of two very terrible X-Men films and just an atrocious track record at Fox in general so you can't blame anybody for being negative back then. The FF is a different animal altogether. There is overwhelming negativity against it but like First Class a good film that surprises will turn that around pretty quickly.

 

[Zarex]

As someone who followed that film closely... no. It was me and maybe a handful of other posters who were positive/excited. Everyone else was constantly *****ing about every interview and still, *****ing about Singer, *****ing about Kinberg, *****ing about Quicksilver, *****ing about Wolverine, etc etc etc. It was the same thing with First Class.

Though there certainly were complaints on the X-Men boards regarding the production, most related to FOX's marketing of the feature - trailers, magazine covers and the like. The overwhelming majority of posters were giddy with excitement over DOFP and the film's box office success mirrored pre-release expectations. The insinsuation that you and a select cadre of true believers (the same group supporting Trank's FF?) were fighting against an overwhelming tide of negativity is ridiculous.

 

[JP]

I dunno. Up until DOFP's release everything I read showed people were mostly positive about it. Sure you had your naysayers but I don't feel they represented the majority. I will admit to being very negative about First Class (which surprised me when I saw it) but that was coming off the heels of two very terrible X-Men films and just an atrocious track record at Fox in general so you can't blame anybody for being negative back then. The FF is a different animal altogether. There is overwhelming negativity against it but like First Class a good film that surprises will turn that around pretty quickly.

The full on excitement finally happened after the second trailer.

Just like I'm sure there will be a few people changing their tune after this films trailer... or second trailer.

 

[TeeKay]

Did Kinberg do some rewrites on the script?

 

[JP]

Of FF? Yes.

 

[TeeKay]

God help us all. His script for DOFP (before whoever trimmed it) wasn't exactly great. He seems like a guy with good ideas but cannot write a proper screenplay without guidance.

 

[JP]

I agree, but we really don't if it was anyone else who "trimmed it" after all, he also did onset rewrites for First Class. It could have very well been him as well. He has the sole screenplay credit in the film...

 

[Eddie]

I agree, but we really don't if it was anyone else who "trimmed it" after all, he also did onset rewrites for First Class. It could have very well been him as well. He has the sole screenplay credit in the film...

Sole credit doesn't really mean jack. Many movies have uncredited writers. Joss Whedon actually did a fair bit of script doctoring back in the day.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Kinberg did onscreen rewrites on First Class which some around here used to
say was the best X-Men film.

No one really knows what Is Josh Trank's vision for FF.

The question Is how does Trank work with Kinberg.Singer and Kinberg turned
out pretty well on DOFP.

 

[JP]

Sole credit doesn't really mean jack. Many movies have uncredited writers. Joss Whedon actually did a fair bit of script doctoring back in the day.

Well yeah... like I said, he did rewrites for First Class and those were uncredited.

 

[TeeKay]

I agree, but we really don't if it was anyone else who "trimmed it" after all, he also did onset rewrites for First Class. It could have very well been him as well. He has the sole screenplay credit in the film...

Well the movie was actually a lot better than the script suggested. I'll give him credit where it's due, he had good ideas in there but some of the dialogue was unnecessary and there was too much exposition. And I have to agree with Eddie, having the sole screenplay credit doesn't really mean anything. Whedon did some work on Thor 2, Cap 1, GOTG and yet he was uncredited. I just don't trust him as the sole screen writer, you could see that someone had an input in his DOFP script. Whether or not he was the one who trimmed it remains to be seen.

 

[JP]

Well the movie was actually a lot better than the script suggested. I'll give him credit where it's due, he had good ideas in there but some of the dialogue was unnecessary and there was too much exposition. And I have to agree with Eddie, having the sole screenplay credit doesn't really mean anything. Whedon did some work on Thor 2, Cap 1, GOTG and yet he was uncredited. I just don't trust him as the sole screen writer, you could see that someone had an input in his DOFP script. Whether or not he was the one who trimmed it remains to be seen.

Well... duh. It's a film. A film is a collaboration between many individuals.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Well the movie was actually a lot better than the script suggested. I'll give him credit where it's due, he had good ideas in there but some of the dialogue was unnecessary and there was too much exposition. And I have to agree with Eddie, having the sole screenplay credit doesn't really mean anything. Whedon did some work on Thor 2, Cap 1, GOTG and yet he was uncredited. I just don't trust him as the sole screen writer, you could see that someone had an input in his DOFP script. Whether or not he was the one who trimmed it remains to be seen.

He's working on x-men at the same time as FF. Hard to believe Harris and Daugherty aren't giving him some help.

 

[Nokio]

Kinberg and crew has done more harm then good regarding the Xmen films. Continuity has gone out the widow. These people put their take on the characters and make changes for no reason. Kitty now has mental and temporal abilities? Bishop no longer has any real power but has a shadow of his power from the comic. He has to use Sinspot's power just to fire a big silly looking plastic gun??? What is that about? Doesn't matter cause Fox got what they wanted in terms of money and all it means is that the Xmen will never get back in Marvel's hand in our lifetime.

This is an F4 topic however so where do I start. Fox is so petty that they refused to let marvel get them rites back that they rush out a movie. Will it be an good. It's up in the air. Already fox is altering for reasons I don't get other then to put their take on characters they didn't create. The previous.F4 films were so underwhelming. The Spirit was their and They had the personalities on point but it stopped their. Their are to many negatives for me to list but Doom was awful and Galactus was a joke. The Surfer was well done despite the silly board is his power source. Not sure why that was done. I just have no faith in Fox. They wouldn't even let Marvel get the rites to SS and Galactus when Marvel tried to get them. Fox is never going to use those characters. I can go on and on. I despise Fox and what they have done.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

... it means is that the Xmen will never get back in Marvel's hand in our lifetime.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Kitty now has mental and temporal abilities?

The worst part of this is it makes every future story meaningless. Whenever anything goes wrong, no problem, just have Kitty send Wolverine back in time and he can fix it.

 

[justanotherguy]

The worst part of this is it makes every future story meaningless. Whenever anything goes wrong, no problem, just have Kitty send Wolverine back in time and he can fix it.

+1

For the supposed epic that DFOP was shooting for, the stakes were undoubtedly low. Not only did the second(or first) most valuable hero spend most of the film off screen, whats left of the FC team's actions were sort of meaningless. All the future team had to instruct Logan to say "once you've found Charles and convinced him this going to happen, before anything goes wrong remind him that Kitty Pryde will have this ability." So essentially if they fail(and die), they keep going back to the past and get it right. Just a little sooner than events of the movie.

but this is a different topic for a different thread.

 

[JP]

The worst part of this is it makes every future story meaningless. Whenever anything goes wrong, no problem, just have Kitty send Wolverine back in time and he can fix it.

In a more peaceful future who is to say Kitty would find the cause or reason to develop a secondary mutation?

Plus, I don't think we'll be seeing Kitty for a long while anyway. The next films in the 80s and they will likely focus on the characters introduced in that film (young Cyclops, Jean, Storm, etc) afterward.

If you go by the original DoFP storyline.. you can argue that pretty much ANY mutant with psychic abilities should be able to send someone's mind back. Yet no one has...

 

[Tymminator]

In a more peaceful future who is to say Kitty would find the cause or reason to develop a secondary mutation?

Plus, I don't think we'll be seeing Kitty for a long while anyway. The next films in the 80s and they will likely focus on the characters introduced in that film (young Cyclops, Jean, Storm, etc) afterward.

If you go by the original DoFP storyline.. you can argue that pretty much ANY mutant with psychic abilities should be able to send someone's mind back. Yet no one has...

I always took it Racheal was the only one around with abilities strong enough to send Kitty back in the comics storyline.

In the comics at that point. Prof X was already wasted (killed by the Brotherhood along with Kelly) and most mutants were either dead or controlled.

 

[EssayM]

Kinberg is not the sole writer on this film, just the most visible. According to the official credits, Trank did the story, Kinberg worked on the screenplay, and this new guy Jeremy Slater worked on both. So Kinberg is not exactly alone on this.

 

[Miken Ayers]

The producers word should never be taken as gospel. Remember Avi Arad's claims of Amazing Spider-Man being the "in-between" adventures of Spider-Man during the Rami trilogy?

 

[psylockolussus]

The worst part of this is it makes every future story meaningless. Whenever anything goes wrong, no problem, just have Kitty send Wolverine back in time and he can fix it.

And what if someone captured Kitty and she was locked up alone in a cell or someone depowered her, she couldn't send someone back in time to prevent chaos in the present time. Or else, if she keeps time-traveling, the solution for that would be to kill her which isn't a big issue for me since its not like we would see Ellen Page in more than 5 X-Men movies in the future.

And also there were a lot of time travel in the comics and they didn't time travel all the time to stop someone from doing something bad.