Sequels Singer Approached For X4?

[L0ngsh0t]

the reality of this thread is that Singer is nothing special, he is a decent director who loves making character moves, and somehow gets to make superhero movies because of that

Ratner is also nothing special, he has made some commercially accpeted hits, but nothing to mind bending, but he just did it, Singer didn't do anything

there needs to be no wolverine movie because Singer already made 2 of those, what do we need another one for, we only have on X-Men movie, what Ratner did was with the best utilities he had make an X-men movie, there is a reason that they crammed so many mutants in one movie, and that is because there is only ONE mutant in the first two movies

in X2 they basically made up the 2 main antagonists in it, obviously Stryker was a name from the comics but he was nothing like how they made him in the movies, and his son was kind of Mastermind but in a wheel chair and sucky

all X1 was, was a Lost Man trying to find his way with the paid rights to the characters of the X-men which they can market and put their names on
because i don't know where the **** they got Rouge from, and Wolverine is so tame in the movie then he is in the comics, and Cyclops is ***** to his 9 foot girlfriend who can't control her powers when she can in the comics
its like Singer wrote this indie film, and then just replaced all the characters names with xmen and put a lack-****ing-luster final battle that wolverine and sabretooth do an awful matrix attempt, and the 4 xmen walk around and Cyclops sucks that is all X-men 1 is

X3 on the other hand is 100 percent X-Men, the writers said it best everyline of dialouge can be referenced from some comic or the other, as apposed to basically making stories up for x1 and 2, and making villans up for X2

fact of the matter, The X-men franchise is to good for singer, Spiderman gets Rami, and Batman Begins gets Nolan, and those directors are the difference between those two movies and X-men 1, and the sequels

 

[BMM]

X3 on the other hand is 100 percent X-Men, the writers said it best everyline of dialouge can be referenced from some comic or the other, as apposed to basically making stories up for x1 and 2, and making villans up for X2

I think this deserves quoting . . . . . . . . .

 

[WorthyStevens]

the reality of this thread is that Singer is nothing special, he is a decent director who loves making character moves, and somehow gets to make superhero movies because of that

Ratner is also nothing special, he has made some commercially accpeted hits, but nothing to mind bending, but he just did it, Singer didn't do anything

there needs to be no wolverine movie because Singer already made 2 of those, what do we need another one for, we only have on X-Men movie, what Ratner did was with the best utilities he had make an X-men movie, there is a reason that they crammed so many mutants in one movie, and that is because there is only ONE mutant in the first two movies

in X2 they basically made up the 2 main antagonists in it, obviously Stryker was a name from the comics but he was nothing like how they made him in the movies, and his son was kind of Mastermind but in a wheel chair and sucky

all X1 was, was a Lost Man trying to find his way with the paid rights to the characters of the X-men which they can market and put their names on
because i don't know where the **** they got Rouge from, and Wolverine is so tame in the movie then he is in the comics, and Cyclops is ***** to his 9 foot girlfriend who can't control her powers when she can in the comics
its like Singer wrote this indie film, and then just replaced all the characters names with xmen and put a lack-****ing-luster final battle that wolverine and sabretooth do an awful matrix attempt, and the 4 xmen walk around and Cyclops sucks that is all X-men 1 is

X3 on the other hand is 100 percent X-Men, the writers said it best everyline of dialouge can be referenced from some comic or the other, as apposed to basically making stories up for x1 and 2, and making villans up for X2

fact of the matter, The X-men franchise is to good for singer, Spiderman gets Rami, and Batman Begins gets Nolan, and those directors are the difference between those two movies and X-men 1, and the sequels

Good lord. You're complaining that Ratner made two Wolverine movies?

X3 WAS MUCH MORE A WOLVERINE FLICK THAN THE OTHER TWO.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

the only thing damaged about X3 was all singers fault

no cyclops, those where the sins of singer making wolverine such a main character that he had to be the main love interest for jean grey

rouge sucking, not ratners fault, yep its singers fault

storm not doing ****, oh what a wonder, singer leaves and storm actually does stuff, this is fascinating, bryan singer sucks, he is everything that is wrong with the xmen movies and he should never come back, he can continue making bland superman movies with no action, there where 2,000 special effects in that peice of ****, and all superman is doing is getting cats out of trees, and having his son save the day...awesome

I completely agree with you. Singer is not the only director for the X-Men franchise. There's the Batman Begins director, Del Toro, The Transporter director, and so many other action directors out there. We went through two movies and I was completely disappointed with Singers direction with Iceman. I mean how hard can it be for him to ride (even for a brief moment) on his ice slide and stay iced up for a while?

... Keep Jackman out, and use his would-be salary to pay for the special effects.

 

[phoenix_force]

and singer wouldn't have done the phoenix as an alien force....
Famke said in an interview that she talked to the writers of x3 about her character first and they were like she has to go from jean to phoenix to dark phoenix and she said singer had explained it to her that jean and phoenix were two personalities she had
so obviously singer had planned the same psychic blocks thing that was done in x3

 

[phoenix_force]

I completely agree with you. Singer is not the only director for the X-Men franchise. There's the Batman Begins director, Del Toro, The Transporter director, and so many other action directors out there. We went through two movies and I was completely disappointed with Singers direction with Iceman. I mean how hard can it be for him to ride (even for a brief moment) on his ice slide and stay iced up for a while?

... Keep Jackman out, and use his would-be salary to pay for the special effects.

actually Halle Berry has the top billing
followed by Ian Mckellan
hugh is third billing i think

 

[josh8]

yay, something fun to talk about!

i think singer is a good director, but i wish he would stay away from the story-writing process. after seeing how SR and x2 turned out, he seems to take characters with such great comic book back stories, and then turn out an original story that is overall rather dull. yes, he fills the tales with great moments, but i just hate how he makes up a story that when stripped down is actually pretty stupid.

BUT, at least now there's proof of talks about x4. i wish FOX would just find a real storyteller and stop thinking about the $$$$. joss whedon can weave together a great story and he definitely can work with an ensemble (as singer has failed to do, in the x-men movies at least). they dont even have to let joss direct. he seems willing to write a script for them. LET HIM!!!! the next direction for the movies has to be cyclops and emma, and "Astonishing X-Men" is joss' audition. he nails it.

 

[CapBeerCino]

Yay! The first good x-men news in over a year!

I'd wait till 2010 for Singer's/anyone-with-talent's take on the x-men!

 

[X-Maniac]

and singer wouldn't have done the phoenix as an alien force....
Famke said in an interview that she talked to the writers of x3 about her character first and they were like she has to go from jean to phoenix to dark phoenix and she said singer had explained it to her that jean and phoenix were two personalities she had
so obviously singer had planned the same psychic blocks thing that was done in x3

This is interesting. Can you find an interview reference for this? If Singer had intended split personalities and mental blocks, then that should shut up some of the obsessive X3 haters!!!

 

[TKing]

This is interesting. Can you find an interview reference for this? If Singer had intended split personalities and mental blocks, then that should shut up some of the obsessive X3 haters!!!

I doubt it, lol. They somehow seem to find fault in every aspect of X3.

 

[CapBeerCino]

This is interesting. Can you find an interview reference for this? If Singer had intended split personalities and mental blocks, then that should shut up some of the obsessive X3 haters!!!

Oh WOW! That is so freaking intresting!!! Not. That plot device could have worked in the hands of someone with an ounce of talent. And seriously. Whats with you Are you aware of the fact you're the user with the biggest post count in the "haters" thread?

"I know how you feel, but maybe it's time for us to move on..." :P

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Oh WOW! That is so freaking intresting!!! Not. That plot device could have worked in the hands of someone with an ounce of talent. And seriously. Whats with you Are you aware of the fact you're the user with the biggest post count in the "haters" thread?

"I know how you feel, but maybe it's time for us to move on..." :P

It's funny how he calls us obsessive, but he appears to have an obsession with us and always defends the film as if his life depends on it. t:

I've ignored X-Maniac a long time ago, as he really doesn't understand where we're coming from and he never will. He, like a lot of those who enjoy the film, expects those who are disappointed in it to shut up and just accept it because it's the X-Men.

Either way he just needs to move on.

 

[TKing]

It's funny how he calls us obsessive, but he appears to have an obsession with us and always defends the film as if his life depends on it. t:

I've ignored X-Maniac a long time ago, as he really doesn't understand where we're coming from and he never will. He, like a lot of those who enjoy the film, expects those who are disappointed in it to shut up and just accept it because it's the X-Men.

Either way he just needs to move on.

Excuse me, while I bath in the irony of your statement.

Firstly, don't you think X-Maniac only defends the film because:

(a) He liked it. And if someone constantly bashed a film I liked, I would be pretty pissed off as well.

(b) Not every "hater", but some of them nitpick about every little detail of X3, but fail to recognise that X1 and X2 had those same problems. It's like they've got some sort of vendetta against it, just because it has a change of director, which of course would bring in a new way of storytelling, a change of pace and different action preferences.

To your second point, frankly, we don't.

And I have never seen a post by X-Maniac, saying "To all X3 haters, shut the **** up." If he did, please quote it.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Excuse me, while I bath in the irony of your statement.

Firstly, don't you think X-Maniac only defends the film because:

(a) He liked it. And if someone constantly bashed a film I liked, I would be pretty pissed off as well.

(b) Not every "hater", but some of them nitpick about every little detail of X3, but fail to recognise that X1 and X2 had those same problems. It's like they've got some sort of vendetta against it, just because it has a change of director, which of course would bring in a new way of storytelling, a change of pace and different action preferences.

To your second point, frankly, we don't.

And I have never seen a post by X-Maniac, saying "To all X3 haters, shut the **** up." If he did, please quote it.

I've seen people bash films that I loved. Nell has bashed Spider-Man, Batman Begins, and of course the upcoming Casino Royale for being a restart. I didn't get pissed because he feels they're overrated or bashed him for his opinion.

I simply wouldn't care if someone continued bashing a film that I loved. For instance, I LOVE the film Starman with Jeff Bridges, I feel it's one of John Carpenters most underrated works and a very emotional film. A guy told me he thought it was stupid and too weird for him, but I didn't care and didn't lose sleep over it at all, so as I said, if someone happens to hate a film that I enjoy I really could careless and you, X-Maniac, and Nell should be the same way instead of trying to prove your opinion as 100% fact.

It was a LONG time ago when X-Maniac said what he said. He's often accused people of not being true super-hero fans who didn't enjoy X3, and as even gone as far as to call those who didn't enjoy it morons.

And he's also made sexual innuendo insults to those who happen to enjoy films like Saw 3, Pirates of the Caribbean, Spider-Man, and Batman. Because of people enjoying those films he told people to "*********e into a stupor over those films, while I enjoy X3 for the masterpiece it is."

If you get pissed over someone bashing a film you love, then maybe you need to go outside more often.

 

[WorthyStevens]

This is interesting. Can you find an interview reference for this? If Singer had intended split personalities and mental blocks, then that should shut up some of the obsessive X3 haters!!!

As opposed to the 'fans' who will take anything they get? Even if it's ****?

And yet you're one who keeps posting in the "Don't Like This Movie - Post Here" thread. Even though you clearly liked it.

Yeah, they're the obsessive ones...

 

[LastSunrise1981]

As opposed to the 'fans' who will take anything they get? Even if it's ****?

And yet you're one who keeps posting in the "Don't Like This Movie - Post Here" thread. Even though you clearly liked it.

Yeah, they're the obsessive ones...

Exactly. Thank you for continuing to point that out Worthy.

Only difference he doesn't consider himself obsessive, he thinks he's trying to "educate us" and trying to debate, as he's clearly trolling in that thread instead of accepting a difference of opinion.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

@TKing- Here's proof that X-Maniac insults those who don't enjoy the film and don't agree with him.

Originally Posted by X-Maniac
No, I'm not trying to prove the movie doesn't suck. I'm proving that people like you suck!

Originally Posted by X-Maniac
Fine, then move on and keep smooching with the sleeve of your SR DVD. Thanks. Bye.

The last one he's basically saying that those who didn't enjoy the film are nothing more than bitter Singer fanboys.

So for you to accuse us of being annoying and repetitive, here's your proof that X-Maniac will insult those who don't agree with him. Theweepeople has been very respectful, nice, and intelligent towards X-Maniac, and it's X-Maniac who usually throws out the first insult because someone happens to disagree with him.

 

[X-Maniac]

Exactly. Thank you for continuing to point that out Worthy.

Only difference he doesn't consider himself obsessive, he thinks he's trying to "educate us" and trying to debate, as he's clearly trolling in that thread instead of accepting a difference of opinion.

The X-Maniac interview (I'm the one answering the questions I'm posing):

Q: Did you like X1 and X2
A: Yes, I loved them. I watch them regularly. Although some characters didn't make the comic-to-screen transition very well (Storm for one)

Q: Did you think Bryan Singer did a good job?
A: For the most part yes. Annoyed that a lot was cut from the original script but considering the budget and the lack of superhero movie popularity at the time, yes he captured the themes well and presented it in a moody, serious way that created widespread acceptance of what are fairly fantastical characters.

Q: Were you worried when Bryan left for SR
A. Yes! And annoyed.

Q: What did you think when Brett Ratner was hired and when Penn/Kinberg were hired?
A: Apprehensive. Not a follower of directors, so was unaware of Brett's body of work. But decided to be optimistic, as they had two prior movies as templates.

Q: So what did you think of the end result, the X3 we got
A: Enjoyed it very much, despite some disappointments. I thought it brought the previous two movies to the action climax that was suggested (the war that was coming, the changes in Jean Grey)

Q: So what was wrong with X3?
A: Brett lacks patience and attention to detail, which showed at times. The story itself was fine, a great idea. Famke's idea of schizo Phoenix didn't always work - as in the prior movies, powerful characters (previously Storm, Xavier) are sidelined in the plot because their powers could end the movie there and then! The Phoenix as a natural evolution would also have worked. X3 isn't made the way I would have made the movie, for sure. Making the existing movie longer would make it seem less jumpy. Cyclops' death feels wrong, Rogue's cure is thematically questionable, and Phoenix's siding with Magneto needed more exploration.

Q: And you still liked it, despite all that?
A: Yes. I'm an X-Men fan, as my name suggests; and a superhero movie fan. Have been for 30 years. I realise that movie-making is not always going to do things the way I want. And it's not just about creativity. It's about budget, politics, practicality, availability, acting, editing, and whole load of other stuff.

Q: Would you have preferred Bryan to have done X3?
A: Yes, of course, since he started it all off. But he chose not to. No matter how hard we wish he did, he didn't.

Q: Would you want him back for an X4 or other X-related movie?
A: He'd do Wolverine well, as I loved the Wolverine origin and flashbacks he created - they seemed just how I imagined them. The Weapon X scientists clinking together champagne glasses as they experimented on him, the augmentation room at the dam - absolutely perfect. Just wish other characters had felt so perfect. So, yes, I wouldn't mind him back. But I'm sure he's not the only one capable of an X-movie and I'm not sure he'd come back or be able to come back. He needs a greater understanding of some characters, such as Storm.

Q: Would you want Ratner back?
A: Not sure. Ratner was a last-minute stand-in, this wasn't truly his movie, as it was already written and followed on from the tone of two previous movies. He'd need to drop the 'ADD' and 'big kid' behaviour and be more focused. I'm surprised Shuler Donner agreed to the use of Rogue's cure, considering she speaks against it on the DVD, and surprised she allowed other stuff such as Cyclops' quick demise and the editing out of so much stuff. I'm thinking more towards Wachowskis or Peter Jackson, even Sam Raimi after he's done SM3, as it's unlikely Bryan will come back.

 

[TNC9852002]

This is why I don't bother debating anymore..

-TNC

 

[X-Maniac]

This is why I don't bother debating anymore..

-TNC

Why? Because now I'm debating with myself!?

 

[Retroman]

But in all honesty Retro, let's say, X-Men is being filmed now. The script is sent out to numerous black actresses. Angela Bassett gets the script?

Do you really think she'd take the role?

Yes! The oppurtunity to work with the likes of Ian McKellen, Patrick Stewart, Bryan Singer etc is not something most actors would to turn down.And remember that Storm (and Cyclops) were much more fleshed out in the original scripts for X-Men.Some things unfortunately ended up getting cut from the film or dropped entirely (the origin scenes).

The role of a character that was never gonna be right before and after Halle stepped on the film? Sure, there was more Storm in the first movies script, but Singer wasn't a fan, he doesn't know what to do with the character. He made that perfectly clear. Angela Bassett or not she wouldn't have been the Storm we all want. Angela might have got the role, but after that we'd loose Storm, cause I don't picture Angela as much of a fighter. She'd up and leave the role. Unlike Halle who actually did fight to get something done, whether she did is up to whoever's own personal opinion.

Like I said, Angela or not, she'd be the same Storm we got in the films, just a inch better acted, and a whole hell of alot uglier.

I definetly see Angela as a fighter and she's got a far more commanding presence in stature and voice than Halle.If she was cast maybe Storm's role would have been umphed up.We'll never know for sure though will we?

take what news?

I meant how Halle would take the news of a possible Singer return.

do you think if x4 does not in some continue from x3 that most of the original cast wants to come back maybe besides hugh?

The cast seem to genuinely get along outside the movies, they seem to enjoy making these and everybody has expressed and interest in returning even Hugh.

 

[Retroman]

The X-Maniac interview (I'm the one answering the questions I'm posing):

Q: Did you like X1 and X2
A: Yes, I loved them. I watch them regularly. Although some characters didn't make the comic-to-screen transition very well (Storm for one)

Q: Did you think Bryan Singer did a good job?
A: For the most part yes. Annoyed that a lot was cut from the original script but considering the budget and the lack of superhero movie popularity at the time, yes he captured the themes well and presented it in a moody, serious way that created widespread acceptance of what are fairly fantastical characters.

Q: Were you worried when Bryan left for SR
A. Yes! And annoyed.

Q: What did you think when Brett Ratner was hired and when Penn/Kinberg were hired?
A: Apprehensive. Not a follower of directors, so was unaware of Brett's body of work. But decided to be optimistic, as they had two prior movies as templates.

Q: So what did you think of the end result, the X3 we got
A: Enjoyed it very much, despite some disappointments. I thought it brought the previous two movies to the action climax that was suggested (the war that was coming, the changes in Jean Grey)

Q: So what was wrong with X3?
A: Brett lacks patience and attention to detail, which showed at times. The story itself was fine, a great idea. Famke's idea of schizo Phoenix didn't always work - as in the prior movies, powerful characters (previously Storm, Xavier) are sidelined in the plot because their powers could end the movie there and then! The Phoenix as a natural evolution would also have worked. X3 isn't made the way I would have made the movie, for sure. Making the existing movie longer would make it seem less jumpy. Cyclops' death feels wrong, Rogue's cure is thematically questionable, and Phoenix's siding with Magneto needed more exploration.

Q: And you still liked it, despite all that?
A: Yes. I'm an X-Men fan, as my name suggests; and a superhero movie fan. Have been for 30 years. I realise that movie-making is not always going to do things the way I want. And it's not just about creativity. It's about budget, politics, practicality, availability, acting, editing, and whole load of other stuff.

Q: Would you have preferred Bryan to have done X3?
A: Yes, of course, since he started it all off. But he chose not to. No matter how hard we wish he did, he didn't.

Q: Would you want him back for an X4 or other X-related movie?
A: He'd do Wolverine well, as I loved the Wolverine origin and flashbacks he created - they seemed just how I imagined them. The Weapon X scientists clinking together champagne glasses as they experimented on him, the augmentation room at the dam - absolutely perfect. Just wish other characters had felt so perfect. So, yes, I wouldn't mind him back. But I'm sure he's not the only one capable of an X-movie and I'm not sure he'd come back or be able to come back. He needs a greater understanding of some characters, such as Storm.

Q: Would you want Ratner back?
A: Not sure. Ratner was a last-minute stand-in, this wasn't truly his movie, as it was already written and followed on from the tone of two previous movies. He'd need to drop the 'ADD' and 'big kid' behaviour and be more focused. I'm surprised Shuler Donner agreed to the use of Rogue's cure, considering she speaks against it on the DVD, and surprised she allowed other stuff such as Cyclops' quick demise and the editing out of so much stuff. I'm thinking more towards Wachowskis or Peter Jackson, even Sam Raimi after he's done SM3, as it's unlikely Bryan will come back.

Interviewing yourself. Classic!t:

 

[flavio_lebeau]

The news reached even Brazilian sites...
But come on, it's impossible, Bryan isn't coming back. Now I just hope he doesn't take Anna for a Superman sequel.

 

[Raiden]

As much I like the action in X3, I do think that it is an inferior movie compared to X2 & X3, and I'll be happy if Ratner is not asked back to make X4. Although Singer would've been great if he can do the followup to X3, I think it is highly unlikely it will happen due to schedule conflict.

I won't mind if Fox just get a competent director (NOT Ratner) to direct X4. Someone who has the caliber of Chris Nolan, for instance.

 

[X-Maniac]

sorry Nell, but I have to disagree on the part where Singer didn't nail the superpowers. When you say the "haters" are neglecting the good parts of X3, I have to say you are neglecting the good parts of the first two movies when it comes to action.

-Storm flying, throwing one single punch and making random lightning wasn't 10% of Storm making tornadoes-bonanza, creating a moody, royal lightning scene and snow-storm. Between flying and tornadoes, it's tornadoes hands down.

-Beast's entire work doesn't come close to Nightcrawler's opening scene.

-Wolverine in the forest is quite the same as wolverine in the mansion.

-Rogue absorbing Colossus for 1 milissecond doesn't reach the feet of Rogue absorbing Logan to save her own life in a dramatic way, or Rogue stopping Pyro, or Rogue helplessy absorbing Magneto's power.

-Cyclops shooting at a lake doesn't even compare to Cyclops fighting the woman he loves, or destroying the ceiling of a train-station.

-Professor transfering his mind to another body (worst plot point ever?) doesn't compare to Professor Xavier threating to kill the whole world.

-THE FREBIRD. That's all I need to tell about Jean. I have no doubt that if we got a Singer's version of Dark Phoenix, he would be more creative than a plot-moving "demolecularizing" power.

-Mystique being one of the most beloved and smartest villains, with great action scenes, owning Wolverine and getting rid of dozen soldiers within seconds is waaaaay better than Mystique kicking 3 guys just to get caught again and then spend the rest of her scenes making jokes.

-IMO, Colossus action in X2 is more valuable than his "throwing arm" moments in X3.

-Pyro causing hell outside his friend's house is a lot more disturbing than any amount of scene he might have in X3.

Juggernaut had one good scene, same for Kitty and Iceman, and a random, but awesome display from Magneto, maybe that's what is better than the previous. Ratner might have put more action, but in my opinion, way poorer and less classy, elegant action than Singer. I don't really take the argument that Singer didn't nail their powers, especially when comparing to Ratner. If Singer didn't nail, Ratner's attempt is laughable. Repeating of powers (Storm and Colossus do the same damn thing over and over), little to no creativity with most mutants, etc. To me, Singer was way more creative. The fact is that he didn't put the action just for the wow. His movies weren't filled with action, but when it appeared, it delivered beautifully. Ratner, on the other hand, seemed to want as much as action as possible, at last, the more you try, the bigger are the chances of hitting right. But imo, he didn't, except for 2 or 3 characters.

Once again, between quality and quantity, I still choose the first.

Interesting points. But X3's focus was different.

Some great action moments:
1) Dark Phoenix at the house and at Alcatraz
2) Storm at the house, descending at Alcatraz, and zapping Callisto
3) Beast swinging on the post into the mutants
4) Magneto attacking truck convoy and moving bridge
5) Angel flying free
6) Kitty Pryde at Alcatraz, and Juggernaut there too

The moments you mention above are also great. I agree Colossus seemed to have a greater 'moment' in X2, as did Pyro, because those scenes were isolated moments of character power displays, which is what Bryan tends to do. He creates slow, moody stories with 'bursts' of character action - maybe it stands out more that way because everything before it and after it was different and slower?

X1 and X2 had great power moments also. The focus in X3 shifted to different mutants - Beast, Angel, Dark Phoenix, Kitty, Juggernaut - who hadn't been given character moments in previous movies. The story moved faster around the character power displays, so the power displays blended more into the movie, rather than standing out as much as Bryan's style makes them do.