Singer nay or yah

[ntcrawler]

And both Rogue and Cyclops were both being built up for big roles in X3 at the end of X2. Rogue was becoming more confident, hence her stopping Pyro's rampage at the Drake house and trying to fly the jet to save the X-Men at the end of X2. She was growing as a character. And Cyclops and Jeans love for each other was clearly evident at the end of X2. Jean CLEARLY chose Scott as the man she loved and wanted to spend the rest of her life with. And the writers of X2 have already explained how they would have ended their version of the 3rd movie, and believe me, IT involves Cyclops and Jean ONLY.

Excellent points! I couldn't agree more. Rogue was clearly shown having more spunk and confidence in X2. Granted her skills were not developed yet and some of her actions came out clumsily (such as flying the X-Jet), but you can see her heart is in the right place as well as the potential for doing great things in the future. But all that goes to hell when she decides to run off so she can be cured and have sex with her boyfriend. WTF?

Same deal with Scott. Wolverine's story was now complete. We saw his origin, parts of his background, he decided he didn't want it, and chose to stick around at the mansion. So his story is now essentially done with, and we can shift the story more towards what happens to Jean, which by common sense should therefore involve Scott. Did we get that? No. Which is exactly why the movie is flawed and therefore wrong in its presentation and treatment of the material. Case Closed.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Excellent points! I couldn't agree more. Rogue was clearly shown having more spunk and confidence in X2. Granted her skills were not developed yet and some of her actions came out clumsily (such as flying the X-Jet), but you can see her heart is in the right place as well as the potential for doing great things in the future. But all that goes to hell when she decides to run off so she can be cured and have sex with her boyfriend. WTF?

Same deal with Scott. Wolverine's story was now complete. We saw his origin, parts of his background, he decided he didn't want it, and chose to stick around at the mansion. So his story is now essentially done with, and we can shift the story more towards what happens to Jean, which by common sense should therefore involve Scott. Did we get that? No. Which is exactly why the movie is flawed and therefore wrong in its presentation and treatment of the material. Case Closed.

Exactly, i think in Singers X3 Rogue would have become a really strong character, not the whiney ***** who criticises her boyfriend for wanting sex and the goes and gets cured for exactly the same reason!

And Scott was clearly getting more of the attention after Jeans death at Alkakli, thats why the focus was on him more in the jet and in the white house, and thats why Logan told Scott to his face that Jean chose him.

 

[thegameq]

Well, I didn't like Superman Returns, but that's not to say I don't think he could have done a good job on X3.

I'm not upset he didn't do X3 per se though I would like to see what he would have come up with.

That's kinda how I feel. Since he intended to do a closer version of the Phoenix Saga, I would have of course like to have seen it. But otherwise...meh.

 

[Mdizzle]

Exactly, i think in Singers X3 Rogue would have become a really strong character, not the whiney ***** who criticises her boyfriend for wanting sex and the goes and gets cured for exactly the same reason!

At least if Singer did have that happen, there would be more behind it...Rogue having thought about it more, and having more obvious conflicting emotions. Maybe experience a break-up/ultimatum with Bobby first before actually going under the needle? Then see where that would leave here, before ultimately getting the cure. It seemed pretty quick-fix, even for Ratner's X3.

 

[thegameq]

ridley scott wouldnt be bad but i think i would have geven it to joss whedon

A Ridley Scott X-film-wow! That would be interesting.

We need artists to direct these films. Directors that are going to bring out what the fans love about the comics and bring it to life on the big-screen the way Raimi has with Spider-man or Jackson with LOTR. Raimi and Jackson are clearly the front runners.

LOTR, King Kong and the Spider-man films are extemely refreshing. Finally we get to see some great source material adapted in a fashion that truly does it justice while staying close (not 100% no one can) to the source material. Not a psuedo comicbook movie or fantasy film. But an outright fully blown fantasy vision that isn't dumbed down to the point of being unrecognizable and insults the fans.

The X-men simply deserve better. Oh to dream of what an X-men film directed by PJ would be like........absolutely incredible and breathtaking....my God, imagine a Phoenix Saga directed by P...WOW!

A 400-500 million dollar project easily......New Line? Columbia maybe?

 

[Mdizzle]

Ridley Scott doing a comicbook movie? Hmm...I trust him with the epics, not really sure how the x-files would turn out...I say he'd definitely need some guidance from the professed nerds and experts out there. As for the artistic aspect, it would definitely be different, and the battle scenes would be huuuge. Heh heh.

 

[NateGray]

In that case SINGER WOULDN'T HAVE MADE IT (look I can use caps-lock as well - yay me! )

Singer understood the allegory behind the x-men and Rogue taking the cure as a solution to her problems wouldn't happen.

I would say get a clue but I am sure it would be wasted on you.

Singer didn't do X3 because WB offered him a truckload of cash to do SR and FOX wasn't going to match it.
If they had matched it guess what he would have done whatever they told him to do just like Ratner did you can ignore the facts all you want that doesn't change them.

 

[Halcohol]

I would say get a clue but I am sure it would be wasted on you.

Singer didn't do X3 because WB offered him a truckload of cash to do SR and FOX wasn't going to match it.
If they had matched it guess what he would have done whatever they told him to do just like Ratner did you can ignore the facts all you want that doesn't change them.

Money had nothing to do with it.

Singer is one of the biggest Superman fans in the world. Fox was taking its time getting X3 production underway, and WB made the offer. They let him have total creative control and an insane budget.

I'm sure he would've accepted a paycut for the chance to make the Superman movie he'd always dreamed about. He's a guy who's more about the material than the Hollywood lifestyle.

The Anti-Ratner, if you will.

 

[NateGray]

Singer would have had more influence than Ratner because Singer had proven his worth with two successful movies. Also, Singer would not have made the movie if Fox started bossing him around, he would stand up for himself instead of being a studio lackey.

Ratner doesnt take all of the blame for X3 but he is partly responsible for it. And how can you say Cyclops and Mystique werent like their comic book counter parts.

And both Rogue and Cyclops were both being built up for big roles in X3 at the end of X2. Rogue was becoming more confident, hence her stopping Pyro's rampage at the Drake house and trying to fly the jet to save the X-Men at the end of X2. She was growing as a character. And Cyclops and Jeans love for each other was clearly evident at the end of X2. Jean CLEARLY chose Scott as the man she loved and wanted to spend the rest of her life with. And the writers of X2 have already explained how they would have ended their version of the 3rd movie, and believe me, IT involves Cyclops and Jean ONLY.

Also Superman Returns was 10 times better than X3, i couldnt give a **** how much they earned.

Umm easy I read comic books and they are nothing like them its obvious at this point you do not read comic books nether DC nor Marvel if you did you would know this.
Its easy to spit out they were going to have big roles in X3 to bad its not fact Singer would have most likley did the same thing he did in the previous movies with them ignored them.

And for Singer having control at FOX LMAO yeh see my previous post he is just as much a lackey as Ratner was its all about the money and they were not going to pay him what he got to do SR and if they did well yeh no control.

 

[NateGray]

Money had nothing to do with it.

Singer is one of the biggest Superman fans in the world. Fox was taking its time getting X3 production underway, and WB made the offer. They let him have total creative control and an insane budget.

I'm sure he would've accepted a paycut for the chance to make the Superman movie he'd always dreamed about. He's a guy who's more about the material than the Hollywood lifestyle.

The Anti-Ratner, if you will.

LMAO and you know this how..... Oh wait youi don't know Jack or **** and are just making this tripe crap up.
If singer was a Superman fan how come he has never read the comic books and barley knows about STAS yeh real fan there.l

Get a clue will you he was a Donner STM fan NOT a Superman fan because there's alot more to superman than the Donner movie.

And if you think it wasn't about money well you really are clueless since he did give FOX a chance to match the offer but these pesky facts need not apply right....

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Umm easy I read comic books and they are nothing like them its obvious at this point you do not read comic books nether DC nor Marvel if you did you would know this.
Its easy to spit out they were going to have big roles in X3 to bad its not fact Singer would have most likley did the same thing he did in the previous movies with them ignored them.

And for Singer having control at FOX LMAO yeh see my previous post he is just as much a lackey as Ratner was its all about the money and they were not going to pay him what he got to do SR and if they did well yeh no control.

No i didnt read the comic books, (And what do DC one's have to do with it?) but i have watched the animated series regularly since i was 12, i am now 24, and their characters seemed spot on to me.

Singer did some things in the first two movies that Fox originally didnt want, they didnt want the Pheonix in X2 for one, this is because Singer isnt a studio lackey like Ratner. Singer would stand up for himself and argue things instead of just going "Ok" to any stupid suggestion they make. And if you were such a reader of the comic books then how can you accept this adaptation of the Pheonix Saga? Are you a Fox lackey as well. Your dont seem to be as big an X-Men fan as you claim.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

LMAO and you know this how..... Oh wait youi don't know Jack or **** and are just making this tripe crap up.
If singer was a Superman fan how come he has never read the comic books and barley knows about STAS yeh real fan there.l

Get a clue will you he was a Donner STM fan NOT a Superman fan because there's alot more to superman than the Donner movie.

And if you think it wasn't about money well you really are clueless since he did give FOX a chance to match the offer but these pesky facts need not apply right....

I'm sorry but that never happened at all, dont make things up to support your arguments.

 

[x-fan]

i actually did a jig when singer left for SR ratner didnt come on during the developemental stage of the movie as singer did and had in X2 so he did what was put infront of him this doesnt make him a lackey it makes him a last minute director, i would have liked to see his take if he had more time to develope the story .....good ridence to singer give me someone that can handle a large cast. and knows the x-men like we do josh whedon would be my #1 choice

 

[LastSunrise1981]

i actually did a jig when singer left for SR ratner didnt come on during the developemental stage of the movie as singer did and had in X2 so he did what was put infront of him this doesnt make him a lackey it makes him a last minute director, i would have liked to see his take if he had more time to develope the story .....good ridence to singer give me someone that can handle a large cast. and knows the x-men like we do josh whedon would be my #1 choice

Hahaha, Joss Whedon is alright. But judging from a lot of his Buffy episodes he wouldn't do them justice either.

Now if he did it like Angel, then I'd agree with you. But seriously, the fact that you rip on Singer shows you don't understand story. Singer understood storytelling, character development, emotion, and tragedy.

Granted the movies didn't have wall to wall action like you and a couple of others would love, but I think what a lot of fans respected about Singer was he gave the characters heart and made the audience(such as myself) care about them.

Stan Lee said it best:

"What I like about Singer, then again, I like Singer period. But what I like about him is that he's not just an action guy. He understands storytelling, character development, and creates a film that completely makes the audience care about the characters."

He didn't say it exactly like that, however, I just paraphrased what he said in the X-Men DVD.

Ratner was nothing more than a Fox lackey who agreed to their stupid demands.

 

[x-fan]

i didnt say i wanted wall to wall action i did say i wanted the x-men on screne which where so watered down by singer they all nearly sucked. i said give me a directer that knows the x-men like we do i love action but i also enjoy an intelligent film as well i want both in an x-men movie

 

[LastSunrise1981]

i didnt say i wanted wall to wall action i did say i wanted the x-men on screne which where so watered down by singer they all nearly sucked. i said give me a directer that knows the x-men like we do i love action but i also enjoy an intelligent film as well i want both in an x-men movie

Believe it or not, Singer's X-Men films were pretty spot on in character and the comics, and a lot more intelligent compared to Ratner's.

 

[Obsidian]

i didnt say i wanted wall to wall action i did say i wanted the x-men on screne which where so watered down by singer they all nearly sucked. i said give me a directer that knows the x-men like we do i love action but i also enjoy an intelligent film as well i want both in an x-men movie

Intelligent you say? I didn't see much intelligence in "X-Men 3". I saw implied intelligence in the trailer, but was disappointed at the lack of intelligence in the actual film.

 

[NateGray]

I'm sorry but that never happened at all, dont make things up to support your arguments.

Wow you really are ******ed aren't you....
I didn't make up **** moron these are facts that if you had a clue you would know.
Yes WB offered him a truckload of cash to do SR FACT....
Yes FOX had a chance to match that offer FACT....
No FOX did not match the offer which caused the much publiced split between him and FOX you know where they didn't even let him on the lot to get his stuff until several weeks later when he and Rothman the head of FOX made up sorta.

So now who is making up **** of thats you dip**** everything I posted about his split with FOX is FACTS that anone can find on the INTERNET.

And for the record boy your source material of the Xmen cartoons LMAO yeh they are barley like there comic book counterparts either dip**** so keep your piehole shut about the REAL source material of comic books which you have no frelling clue about neither DC nor Marvel.

 

[NateGray]

Believe it or not, Singer's X-Men films were pretty spot on in character and the comics, and a lot more intelligent compared to Ratner's.

Umm no they were not and if you had a frelling clue then you would know he got Xavier decent and Magneto decent and Jackman nailed the wolverine part only because he had the acting chops to pull it off even being a foot taller so shut your piehole with how spot on they are because you are not even close.
Jean a doctor ummm NO
Scott an EMO wuss NOT
Storm a wusified scared of Toad and a foot to short NOT
Sabretooth NOT
Toad NOT
Rogue NOT EVEN Fing CLOSE
So who again did he get right of wait Magneto Xavier and lucky for him Jackman does a fantastic wolverine even if they were to lazy to make him appear short you know using the same trechnology they did in LOTR to make the hobbits shorter.

In X2 Iceman was sorta close at best to his comic counterpart Pyro yeh NOT EVEN CLOSE.

I could go on and on since the movies Xmen are barley even like the cartoon he based them off since he never read any comics to grasp the actual source material.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Umm no they were not and if you had a frelling clue then you would know he got Xavier decent and Magneto decent and Jackman nailed the wolverine part only because he had the acting chops to pull it off even being a foot taller so shut your piehole with how spot on they are because you are not even close.
Jean a doctor ummm NO
Scott an EMO wuss NOT
Storm a wusified scared of Toad and a foot to short NOT
Sabretooth NOT
Toad NOT
Rogue NOT EVEN Fing CLOSE
So who again did he get right of wait Magneto Xavier and lucky for him Jackman does a fantastic wolverine even if they were to lazy to make him appear short you know using the same trechnology they did in LOTR to make the hobbits shorter.

In X2 Iceman was sorta close at best to his comic counterpart Pyro yeh NOT EVEN CLOSE.

I could go on and on since the movies Xmen are barley even like the cartoon he based them off since he never read any comics to grasp the actual source material.

I take it you never looked at the TAS or read any of the comics? He got the inner struggles of Rogue down perfectly. He was slowly building her up to become much like her comic book counterpart.

Xavier in X1 and X2? Very much like his comic book counterpart. I do, however, wish he had left the scene of Xavier overpowering Jason in the Dark Cerebro in X2.

Scott wasn't emo at all in X1. It's clear you didn't watch the film or else you'd see he was very close to his comic book counterpart as the leader and one who cared about his girlfriend.

Granted there wasn't a lot of him in X1 and not much of him in X2, but when he was there, it was ultimate pure Cyclops at his best and I'd like to see you keep your emotions straight after watching your girlfriend die.

I do agree with you about Storm. But as I said before, I was never into Storm as a character so her depiction never bothered me much.

Jean being a doctor isn't that big of a deal. She was and is a very intelligent woman, so her being a doctor really didn't bother me at all. She may've not been a doctor in the comics but the character of Jean very much resembled the comic book Jean.

Sabretooth I somewhat agree with you. But they(Fox) screwed Singer on the budget and he couldn't create a faithful Sabretooth. I felt Sabretooth was lacking in intelligence, but his attitude and his coldness was there at the heart of the character.

"You owe me a scream." That is something Sabretooth would say too.

Toad? Never cared for his character, so I could really careless.

He got more right than Ratner, Kinberg, and Penn could ever dream of.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I'm not even going to begin arguing with NateGray, because it's obvious all he knows about the comics are the bright colors and flashy powers, and can't see beyond it all to see what the X-Men and the characters are really about.

It's obvious he just wants a fight too... so it's not really worth my time.

 

[tonytr1687]

I take it you never looked at the TAS or read any of the comics? He got the inner struggles of Rogue down perfectly. He was slowly building her up to become much like her comic book counterpart.

Xavier in X1 and X2? Very much like his comic book counterpart. I do, however, wish he had left the scene of Xavier overpowering Jason in the Dark Cerebro in X2.

Scott wasn't emo at all in X1. It's clear you didn't watch the film or else you'd see he was very close to his comic book counterpart as the leader and one who cared about his girlfriend.

Granted there wasn't a lot of him in X1 and not much of him in X2, but when he was there, it was ultimate pure Cyclops at his best and I'd like to see you keep your emotions straight after watching your girlfriend die.

I do agree with you about Storm. But as I said before, I was never into Storm as a character so her depiction never bothered me much.

Jean being a doctor isn't that big of a deal. She was and is a very intelligent woman, so her being a doctor really didn't bother me at all. She may've not been a doctor in the comics but the character of Jean very much resembled the comic book Jean.

Sabretooth I somewhat agree with you. But they(Fox) screwed Singer on the budget and he couldn't create a faithful Sabretooth. I felt Sabretooth was lacking in intelligence, but his attitude and his coldness was there at the heart of the character.

"You owe me a scream." That is something Sabretooth would say too.

Toad? Never cared for his character, so I could really careless.

He got more right than Ratner, Kinberg, and Penn could ever dream of.

You hit everything right on the nose. And whoever said Cyke was emo in X1 obviously has no idea what emo is.

 

[La_She-Beast]

what's emo?

 

[x-fan]

yet like i said ratner came in at the last minute and filmed a movie that was pretty much ready to roll he didnt get the luxury of actually making a movie he had next to no pre production time little time to do anything except film what was all ready there. he did a fine job with what singer and his crew had already started, rogue may have been rogue by movie #8 at singers pace if that was what he was trying to do but i didnt see it that way she was not the comic rogue and never would have been i am glad i am not a rogue fan cause i would have been seriously mad, but she isnt the only one that was not done right bobby is a wise cracking young man not a brooding teen. the was so much done that i disliked but excepted cause atleast i was seeing an x-men movie, i want someone that isnt afraid to film a sci-fi fantasy comic like a sci-fi fantasy movie singer wasnt the man for the job, ratner might not be either, but he didnt do bad for what time and script he was given to work with. like i said whendon was probably the man for the job and would be awesome if he was let to write and direct a x-men movie. better than singer i would bet a whole paycheck on unfortunately we will never know now since he is envolved with wonder woman

 

[tonytr1687]

what's emo?

ur kiddin right? its only the most ridiculous form of fashion and style that certain young people have adopted over recent years. symptoms of emo include overly gelled hair hanging over the eyes, cutting of the wrists, listening to crappy emo music, tight pants, and *****ing about everything because it's "cool."