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I agree there even though. And the jimmy fiasco was a dumb move.
 
The casting on this show was great. In my opinion, the only major miscasting on this show was Kristin Kreuk as Lana Lang.
 
I had no problem with Kristin's casting, it was the material she was given most of the times, that I couldn't stand.
 
I agree, my dislike for Lana and Chloe was more based on the characters and not the actresses because they were both great. They were just given crappy stories.
 
Oh please, some of the Kreuk haters need to go back and watch season 1. She was great. She like any actress was only as good as the material and characterization implied. His chemistry with her was 10x more than with Durance.
 
I feel like the Lana/Lois romances were completely different and both respective actresses did a good job with it.

Clark and Lana, mainly during season 2, was a great puppy love kind of romance, and they did a good job at showing how Clark was a bit oblivious about things even though he was happy when they were together in season 5. But by season 7 and 8, it was clear that it wasn't going to work and it was just a matter of how they were finally going to be separated.

Meanwhile, Clark was much more mature by season 9 after he got together with Lois and it was a more mature relationship where Clark didn't love her simply because she was the girl of his dreams. That whole relationship brought another side of dimension to Durance's performance and character and I think she did a great job with it. I certainly liked her more in the later seasons than when she first showed up.
 
I have nothing against Kristin Kreuk, I just prefer Lana Lang with red hair.
 
His chemistry with her was 10x more than with Durance.


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More often than he had with Allison or Kreuk. Hell, he had more chemistry with Sarah Carter than them.
 
Speaking of Sarah Carter I know I'm gonna get flamed for this but, in my opinion she should have played Lana Lang.
 
Tom had great chemistry with erica and allison and I can even say kristen too. But lois and clark and chloe and clark stories where far better then where clark and lana went.
 
Lana was terribly written and I dislike her as much as the next guy. But Chloe was the worst character in the whole show. She makes Clark look stupid.
 
Yeah I agree. Maybe not on her being the worst character, but that she really did make Clark look bad in the second half of the series, basically from the moment he found out she knew his secret. From that point, it was like he went to her for everything, which I believe is where the whole Big Dumb Alien stuff came from.

Allison is a great actress, but I always felt like Chloe was a character that was loved more by the writers and producers to the point where they made her more than she should've been and I always wonder if they kept her around as long as they did because Sam Jones left after season 3. I kinda feel like they were planning on keeping her dead after season 3, but then the lost of two friends would've been too much.
 
Lana was terribly written and I dislike her as much as the next guy. But Chloe was the worst character in the whole show. She makes Clark look stupid.

So you hate Chloe because she was a better written character than Clark?
I'm glad they made Chloe the smartest person on the show, it would have been stupid if Clark did all the stuff on his own! Who would watch that crap!


Tom had great chemistry with erica and allison and I can even say kristen too. But lois and clark and chloe and clark stories where far better then where clark and lana went.

The only thing I got from him and Durance was a brother/sister vibe, it was really awkward to watch them in last two seasons!
He had great chemistry with Allison, Kristin and Cassidy!
And when it comes to stories it all depends on what you like to watch. Lana and Chloe always had dramatic action filled stories, solo or with Clark and I'm here for that! And Lois is always a comedy hour with clown music in the background, no thanks! Maybe I would like that if I was five!
 
So you hate Chloe because she was a better written character than Clark?
I'm glad they made Chloe the smartest person on the show, it would have been stupid if Clark did all the stuff on his own! Who would watch that crap!

Just because Clark at times looks like he couldn't go to the washroom without Chloe holding his hand doesn't mean Chloe was well written. Chloe in later seasons felt like she was the writers crutch at times(ie whenever they needed an easy out for a storyline they just get Chloe to give us easy answers). That to me is not good writing, it's piss poor writing and many times it was at the expense of making Clark look terrible. For the most part Chloe got propped up because she was always the "other person" in everybody elses storyline who would sit on her chair behind her computer telling people what a dumbass they are. When she got her own lil storyarcs that she was the focal point of(Chimmey, meteor freak, etc) she would come across as much of a dumbass as everybody else, it's just that more often then not in S5-7 she was the "side character" in other peoples storylines then the main character in her own storyarcs. I always laugh when Chloe fans complain how bad Chloe looked in S8+9 when she got more main storylines where she was a focal point of(as if they didn't see it coming given the way the show treats characters in general)

Starting around Season 5 it just seemed like the writers in order to prop up Lana and Chloe and make them relevant emasculated Clark. Chloe stole his brains, while Lana stole his balls.
 
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Chloe was always a deus ex machina. She was a plot convenience.

Every single one of her storylines sucked:
- the meteor power
- the Davis nonsense (it literally dragged down the second half of S8)
- the Oliver relationship (might as well ruin SV's Green Arrow too)
- Matrix Chloe
- Chloe in charge of the Suicide Squad...


The only reason she has fans is because she was the underdog female compared to Lana and the third point in the show's love triangle. All of her fans were shippers.
 
I really liked the Chloe / Lionel storyline from season 2 ans 3.
 
Yeah, you see that's what really gets me about where the show could have gone after season 3 compared to where it went. The Chloe and Lionel stuff was great because it was the original version of Chloe, the reporter, who got herself into trouble and meddled where she shouldn't have, and it nearly cost her her life. I feel like her actually dying and staying dead would've been great for the show, since it would've gave Clark something to really hate Lionel for, and it would make Lionel look like the ultimate bad ass villain. But then they went along and said she escaped and Lionel was reformed as a good guy and it just took things in a bad direction.

I almost feel like they didn't want to kill Chloe because most people expected them to do it in order to line up with the mythos. And I agree, they kept her around more for the storytelling part, as even Al/Miles said in the commentary of the pilot that Allison was great because she was able to deliver long lines of exposition with ease and did it so well that it was very useful in making things understandable for the audience, especially people who didn't understand much about the characters or what was going on.
 
How can you keep Lionel baddass when Lex has to become evil. There isn't room for two evil mofos. Reforming lionel was a good idea, but they did not execute it well, and his last act was really stupid. Why would he kidnap and cage Clark. When I look back, they came up with a lot of good ideas, but just never executed them well, or had a cheap payoff.
 
Re: Chloe,

I didn't think she was a bad character at all, though I do think she ran her course by season six. I also liked Lana more than a lot of fans did, though I think they didn't know what to do with her character and it took them too long to write her out of the show. I felt the same way about Chloe though they didn't handle her character as badly.

Re: Lionel,

I also agree that they handled his reform badly. To me, I probably wouldn't have reformed him much, and just had Lex kill him off much sooner than they did. And he should've stayed dead. I hate saying that because I loved Lionel, but he needed to go to establish Lex as a full on bad guy.
 
I think the writers were far more in love with Lana/Kristin than they were with Allison as Chloe. It was only in the later seasons that they started the intense stupid Chloe worshipping that they used to give Lana in seasons 1-7.
 

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