So, has X-Men earned the right to join "The cool trilogy club"?

[Riven]

Hell no.

X3 is the Batman Forever of the X-franchise. It's fun at times and not half-bad, but it's mainly dumb, loud and vastly inferior to the two preceding movies.

 

[ToddIsDead]

Hell no.

X3 is the Batman Forever of the X-franchise. It's fun at times and not half-bad, but it's mainly dumb, loud and vastly inferior to the two preceding movies.

Pretty much sums up my feelings

 

[Erzengel]

I thought X-3 was okay but in comparision to it's former movies, I'd have to say no.

 

[Erzengel]

As I said above you must view X3 as the final act of a 5 hour story .... which it is.

The characters and drama were built up in the first two ... You can't keep throwing words and plot at viewers ... many just wanted a fun, full-on conclusion to a quality trilogy ... and thats what we got.

As for Return of the Jedi ..... take away the Luke/Vader/Palpatine moments and whats left?

Not much.

Let's see Luke vs. Jabba's minions, Speeder Bike Chase, Battle against the 2nd Death Star, Luke visiting Yoda and talking to Obi Wan but you mean besides that too?

X-3 had what what 2-3 years since X-2 and yet it still felt rushed with stuff scraped together to make a movie.

 

[Timstuff]

No, he's not. He has ADD and doesn't enjoy a good story, so he'd rather see a bunch of eye candy and no plot whatsoever.

Pay him no mind, he's the true definition of slowness when it comes to paying attention and using their brain.

X3 doesn't make the cool trilogy club at all. X-Men had the potential to be the greatest trilogies of all trilogies, then Rothman and Fox decided to ruin its potential and shat all over the greatest story in X-Men history.

The fact that he can say its decent and better than Singers X-Men films show he doesn't appreciate film, emotion, or great storytelling.

I've come to the conclusion that whiners will never accept anything that has Rothman involved with it, no matter how good it is. So go ahead and keep listening to everything Harry Knowels spoon feeds.

 

[Erzengel]

I didn't know who Rothman was before X-3 and I don't read the reviews from AICN, but my standards were pretty low going into this movie because I knew Singer wasn't there, the whole project seemed rushed and from the trailers. While I was entertained, it didn't live up to either X-1 or X-2.

 

[Octoberist]

I prefer the analogy that X3 was like Batman Forever: Fun but very flawed.

Return of the Jedi, in my eyes, is no longer a black sheep of the original trilogy..

 

[DACrowe]

No. For BF to be like X3 is that it would open with Batman getting killed by Catwoman 10 minutes in and Robin ocming in and banging Catwoman and being the main hero for the rest of it while we completely ignore the earlier scenes and it becomes about Batman fighting the Joker again but the Joker has been camped up and all of his coolness and menace in the first film has been replaced with mediocrity.

That would be more equivalent.

I say we were expecting ROTJ for X3 (ROTK fled away after Singer left) but we got Episode I with the Ewoks and Hayden Christiansan thrown in. A really rotten deal....really.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I've come to the conclusion that whiners will never accept anything that has Rothman involved with it, no matter how good it is. So go ahead and keep listening to everything Harry Knowels spoon feeds.

Oh please, it's been well documented from the beginning of X-Men that Rothman wanted to screw it over. Hence why he screwed Singer in terms of the budget and focused time that Singer had with the material.

I could careless what Harry Knowles said. I made this decision on my own, and if you don't like it, then you're just going to have to accept it as a difference of opinion and move on.

Fact: X-Men 1 and X-Men 2 were great emotional dark films.

Fact: X-Men 3 is just a movie full of eye candy with no scenes allowing any kind of impact and was cut because of a director who has ADD, and a CEO who demanded Cyclops be removed from the film.

I have every right to voice my disdain for Rothman and Fox. Just because you like the crap you received doesn't mean I have to.

X3 had the potential to be the ass kicker of all trilogies, it could've been the one that set itself apart from other movie trilogies, and what did we get instead? We received a rushed production so Rothman can have it released before Superman Returns.

It digusts me as to what Rothman AND Fox did to the Phoenix Saga. This movie had so much potential, instead it left me with an empty disappointing feel. I hope SR does completely destroy X3 so Rothman can look stupid in the face, not that he doesn't already of course.

So again, don't like what I have to say? Don't read my posts and don't surf on a message board.

You'll see on the X3 board that I was one of the main defenders for this movie and Ratner. So before you call me a whining fanboy; I suggest you do some research.

 

[Timstuff]

No. For BF to be like X3 is that it would open with Batman getting killed by Catwoman 10 minutes in and Robin ocming in and banging Catwoman and being the main hero for the rest of it while we completely ignore the earlier scenes and it becomes about Batman fighting the Joker again but the Joker has been camped up and all of his coolness and menace in the first film has been replaced with mediocrity.

That would be more equivalent.

I say we were expecting ROTJ for X3 (ROTK fled away after Singer left) but we got Episode I with the Ewoks and Hayden Christiansan thrown in. A really rotten deal....really.

Wolverine never banged Storm in X3. I have a feeling that many of the haters haven't even watched it, and are only going by early "slug script" descriptions.

Anyway, I rank the X-movies as so:

1. X2: X-Men United
2. X-Men: The Last Stand
3. X-Men

IMO X3 was a good conclusion to the series. It wasn't quite up with the second, but it at least lived up to it and managed to surpass the first one in quality for the most part. I don't think that the comparisons to Batman Forever are even slightly valid because Batman Forever didn't even have any apparent continuity with the first two other than some vague references, and it had a completely different visual style that didn't even resemble the first two. At least X3 kept things fairly consistant with the first two movies.

I would not compare X3 with Return of the Jedi because IMO it's even less of a "black sheep" than ROTJ was. It's still no Return of the King (in which the third surpassed the first two), but it's still a good conclusion.

 

[Erzengel]

Wow I couldn't disagree more. I wouldn't even put X3 in the same sentence as Jedi, unless after X3 were the words "not even in the same leagu of not as good as". The Batman Forever analogy is good so is T3. X3 was a rushed, almost botched job that was sadly mediocre at best.

 

[Timstuff]

ROTJ is the better film, but X3 didn't have Ewoks, therefor making it less of a black sheep.

 

[DACrowe]

Hardly. ROTJ had a satisfactory ending that left fans generally happy even if they had a few qualms. ROTj was the biggest movie of its year and audiences enjoyed it and it was critically accepted as a good finale. X3 was panned, had a huge opening (due to hype from the first two) and then dropped like a rock because no one liked it or cared enough to recomend or rewatch it and has left most fans RIGHT AFTER release annoyed and frustrated if not downright disappointed. That number will grow as fans become nitpicky (which unfortunately most do, go see the X2 and SM2 boards for more).

And the analogy was referring to how Jean kills Cyke and ends up banging Logan (or close to) and doesn't even give a **** that Cyke is dead nor does the rest of the X-Team. Oh I saw that travesty all right. Not to mention turning Magneto into a loveable camp character, curing Rogue (which ****s on all that Singer built on the character in the first movie and end of the second) and Logan kill Jean and many other comic butcherings.

And I'm not one to ***** about minor things, I don't care if the suits are different, if there is organic webbing, etc. but I can't stand **** like that though.

 

[Timstuff]

I whined about all of that just as hard as you are right now, before I actually watched the film (not that I'm implying that you didn't, BTW). When I read the reviews for the slug script, I remember beign one of the most vocal whiners on the entire internet, and even went so far as starting failed petition drives to change it. But when I actually stopped my fanboy b!tching for a minute, and even more importantly, watched the freakin' movie, I loved it. X3 did not get "panned" because more than half of the reviews are positive (which means mixed), and it was hardly a BO flop seeing as so far it's the #1 movie of the year, and it's BO has already surpassed 200 million.

The movie is not recieving the trashing from movie-goers that haters would like to think. Almost everyone I know who's seen it has liked it, and I barely find anyone who hates it unless I go on the internet (which is Zion for complainers). X3 is a successful movie, and no ammount of internet b!tching can "fix" that.

 

[Mentok]

I say no. It dosent really work as a trilogy at all.

 

[livrule]

I whined about all of that just as hard as you are right now, before I actually watched the film (not that I'm implying that you didn't, BTW). When I read the reviews for the slug script, I remember beign one of the most vocal whiners on the entire internet, and even went so far as starting failed petition drives to change it. But when I actually stopped my fanboy b!tching for a minute, and even more importantly, watched the freakin' movie, I loved it. X3 did not get "panned" because more than half of the reviews are positive (which means mixed), and it was hardly a BO flop seeing as so far it's the #1 movie of the year, and it's BO has already surpassed 200 million.

The movie is not recieving the trashing from movie-goers that haters would like to think. Almost everyone I know who's seen it has liked it, and I barely find anyone who hates it unless I go on the internet (which is Zion for complainers). X3 is a successful movie, and no ammount of internet b!tching can "fix" that.

Amen.

I know about 20 people who saw it and they all LOVED it.
Many think it was better than the first and equal to the second.

Most magazine/newspaper reviews were positive and as was said above the BO takings are good.

Hate to say it but this is the biggest case of fanboy fever I have ever seen.

Want to see a genuine BAD movie with poor acting and lack of respect towards the fanbase? ........ Go watch ANY of the Star wars prequels.

 

[FreeRadical]

X3 LOL

It's the weak chair leg of the trilogy.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

X3 LOL

It's the weak chair leg of the trilogy.

Better watch out, you'll be called a whiney fanboy and be accused of not seeing the movie.

 

[Erzengel]

Amen.

I know about 20 people who saw it and they all LOVED it.
Many think it was better than the first and equal to the second.

Most magazine/newspaper reviews were positive and as was said above the BO takings are good.

Hate to say it but this is the biggest case of fanboy fever I have ever seen.

Want to see a genuine BAD movie with poor acting and lack of respect towards the fanbase? ........ Go watch ANY of the Star wars prequels.

I respect Lucas because it's HIS vision and his intereptation not the Studios. He never had studios breathing down his neck, cutting his budgets because he funded the movies himself, and while the Prequels aren't as well accepted as the Originals, it stayed true to the creator's vision.

Ratner probably had little room to do the film justice which is why I heard Singer left. X-3 is the ****ty sister of the X-Men Trilogy and while you may have fun with it, you dont' take it home.

 

[Ben Urich]

I originally voted yes, but the more I think about it... not so much.
X3 didn't do a whole lot for me. I wanted more from the characters. Nice fight scenes, though, but on the whole it was like a Big Mac - big, but no actual substance.

 

[DACrowe]

I didn't call it a flop, I said it dropped like a rock in following weekends because the WOM is either mixed or bad. Let's just say it opened bigger but has much worse legs than X2 which is why it will BARELY outgross it.

And I saw the movie, it was poorly edited, directed, had no pacing or time to let the scenes breathe or characters develop and felt like a stupid action movie along the lines of Fast and the Furious without any of the ambiguity or serious dark dichotemy of the first two movies. It just was a miserable movie that was inferior to othe first two and ruined character arcs built so strongly in the first two (most notably Rogue).

Just my opinion though.

 

[Timstuff]

I really don't get why some people get so bent out of shape over Rogue. IMO

Spoiler

making her choose the cure

made her be a very effective contrast against Magneto.

Spoiler

Magneto has nothing to live for except that he is a mutant who wants to defeat his human opressors, and when that's gone he's nothing. Rogue, however, has every reason to live, but her power was preventing her from being happy.

If people would actually take some time to analyze X3, they'd see that it's actually the perfect final piece to the conversation started by the first two movies. Me and my brothers had a lot of fun discussing all the ways it ties in with the themes of the first two movies. X3 in many ways represents another angle to the arguements that were in the first two movies, and really I think it worked tremendously well as the finale for the trilogy.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I really don't get why some people get so bent out of shape over Rogue. IMO

Spoiler

making her choose the cure

made her be a very effective contrast against Magneto.

Spoiler

Magneto has nothing to live for except that he is a mutant who wants to defeat his human opressors, and when that's gone he's nothing. Rogue, however, has every reason to live, but her power was preventing her from being happy.

If people would actually take some time to analyze X3, they'd see that it's actually the perfect final piece to the conversation started by the first two movies. Me and my brothers had a lot of fun discussing all the ways it ties in with the themes of the first two movies. X3 in many ways represents another angle to the arguements that were in the first two movies, and really I think it worked tremendously well as the finale for the trilogy.

You still don't get it do you? The Rogue in the comics was very much insecure about herself and her ability to live happily, but she never took a cure and would've never walked out on the X-Men during their time of need.

I'll give you Magneto, that was a good ending and showed him in the shoes of species he hates with a passion.

But it sounds like you're being an apologist and just accepting crap. It's not just Rogue fans are pissed off about; it's the depiction of Cyclops, the bastardization of the Phoenix Saga, the weak final battle, and the empty promises/misleadings by the writers and the director of this project.

 

[Ben Urich]

I don't give a **** about Cyclops, but the Phoenix angle was downplayed too much. It's a cosmic ****ing entity that possessed her body! Doesn't that deserve more screen time than Wolverine and Beast whomping random Brotherhood "pawns"?
Rogue taking the cure was entirely the wrong message to send. To me, it's like suicide; the coward's way out.

 

[Timstuff]

Rogue taking the cure was entirely the wrong message to send. To me, it's like suicide; the coward's way out.

That sounds like something Magneto would say, and I'm sure that's exactly what the writers wanted.

I was PO'd about Cyke dying originally. Heck, I even started a petition over it. But I gave Ratner and crew the benefit of the doubt, and I came out of the movie loving it. I may have also been slightly de-sensitized/toughened (depending which side of the fence you're on) for the character deaths in X3 after I saw Serenity.

Spoiler

Nooo! Not Wash and Sheppard Book!