Homecoming Spider-Man Homecoming (2017) General Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 103

[ironwez20]

Am I the only one not bothered by the shocker costume. I mean it's better then giving him just gauntlets and call it a day. Looks ok to me.

 

[Arachnerd]

First look at Shocker! https://***********/andresborna/status/833148358810288128

He looks...better than I thought he would. A little iffy on the blue and orange jacket, but other than that he looks great.

I assume Bokeem is gonna be the definite Shocker?

 

[PeterBenParker]

Shocker's costume was the easiest to put on screen without having to change anything about it.

These creative choices.

 

[2kt09]

Shocker's costume was the easiest to put on screen without having to change anything about it.

These creative choices.

Well, you got to ground that as well.
Looks like he does construction on the side.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

shocker's torso reminds me of goku from dbz lol.

 

[X Knight]

From the Diamond select store. The set comes with 1 female figure aka Auny May

thanks.

so I guess that means toy Aunt May will look a lot more like MJ than Zendaya's Michelle will.

 

[SuperSanchez]

No buddy that's Mary Jane lol. Lol jk. It's aunt may by the looks of it.

No It's definetly F.R.I.D.A.Y.

 

[The Infernal]

Not a 100% keen on Shocker's look, but it could have been worse and they clearly tried imo. Hopefully the character is treated right and not just a joke villain for Spidey.

I would maybe hope if Shocker returns in a sequel that they could try better with a more accurate costume, especially in regards to the gauntlets and goggles/mask.

 

[SpideyJJ]

All I hope is that Spidey is relentless in his teasing/taunting of Shocker, that suit is prime material for classic Spider-Man quipping. I can get behind the design (after what I've seen so far from this movie, I'm just happy we get to see him on the big screen. The accuracy of the costume is low on the list of things I don't like), heck I actually kinda like it.

 

[harryoscop]

All I hope is that Spidey is relentless in his teasing/taunting of Shocker, that suit is prime material for classic Spider-Man quipping. I can get behind the design (after what I've seen so far from this movie, I'm just happy we get to see him on the big screen. The accuracy of the costume is low on the list of things I don't like), heck I actually kinda like it.

This. I don't wanna see Spidey talking about how "awesome' his suit is either or talking about the science of it. Give us classic Spidey

 

[SuperSanchez]

I still prefer this suit as my favourite
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[Infinity9999x]

This. I don't wanna see Spidey talking about how "awesome' his suit is either or talking about the science of it. Give us classic Spidey

I agree that they should liven up his joke material, but Spidey taking a moment to geek out about the science of something in a fight is true to form. Heck, the Kingpin panel from USM someone posted a few pages back? In that same issue Spidey starts questioning Electro about his powers mid fight.

So I'm fine if he does go science nerd about it. But it shouldn't be the only form of humor he pit's forth.

 

[harryoscop]

I agree that they should liven up his joke material, but Spidey taking a moment to geek out about the science of something in a fight is true to form. Heck, the Kingpin panel from USM someone posted a few pages back? In that same issue Spidey starts questioning Electro about his powers mid fight.

So I'm fine if he does go science nerd about it. But it shouldn't be the only form of humor he pit's forth.

I'm not sure if I wanna see him doing that again. Especially against criminals. Ultimate was in over his head as he had already won the battle & had already made tons of jokes about Electro. He shouldn't be geeking out when fighting an opponent. If anything, make him throw science-themed quips like SSM (sarcastically pointing out how something works but doesn't fit) anything is better than him talking what's awesome about Vulture's wings or Shocker's gauntlet. That's the worse type of humor for Spider-Man who is traditional suppose to be on the same level as RDJ in terms of quick-witted quips.


I realize they (for some reason) don't want him to be on his level but at least make him witty about his observational remarks. Like:
Spider-Man: "*Gasp*, you have a metal arm? that's awesome, dude! Do you have a metal leg, too?"


Spider-Man: "Those wings Carbon Fiber?"


Falcon: "This Stuff coming out of you?"


Spidey: "That would explain the agility flexibility ratio which, gotta say you, uh, definitely need better jet engines, dude."


Falcon: "I don't know if you've been in a fight before but there's usually not this much talking" (kinda ironic coming from Falcon who always talks during his fights)


Spider-Man: "Okie Dokie." "


Spider-Man: "That thing is not obeying the laws of physics at all. Reminds me of one of those hover frisbees with the blowup thingies on the si-" (cut off by Cao)


Cap: "Look kid, there's a lot going on here you don't understand"


Spider-Man: "Says the man still catchin' up on 75 years of history.. Heh, Mr. Stark said you'd say something like that."


Cap: "Stark tell you anything else"


Spidey: "That you're wrong, you think you're right. And guys with that sort of mentality are the most dangerous people."




Everything else he said was fine. The Star Wars remark was fine. Just inject more levity and wit into his observations & you have a Spidey who lives up to the name "wise-cracking superhero".

I still prefer this suit as my favourite
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"This may come as a shock to you!!" I love that game. I remember when my cousin use to play it wayyy back in 2003.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Oh, I agree that it shouldn't be the main focus of his humor. I want more variety in there as well, have more smart ass remarks, general pot shots at the villains just to get their blood pressure up (like the USM Kingpin example), more of his playfulness represented (like webbing Kingpin's feet to the floor in USM), more witty banter.

But I also think they can still have those moments. Pete is a science geek after all, and it's not inconsistent with his character to, even during a fight, take a moment to have a small science geek moment about something. In fact, it usually has a double purpose, one to indulge his science geek, and also to make the person he's fighting frustrated because it comes off like he's not even bothering to give the opponent his full attention.

So if it happens a few times in this film, I'm fine with it. But I agree that it shouldn't be the focus of his humor, and in the CW battle, it did dominate much of his interactions. It's all about variety. Like you said above, we need to see more of that light hearted levity that Spidey brings.

 

[ernesth100]

John seems to know the balance.

 

[SpideyJJ]

They should just be forced to watch TSSM and Spider-Man: TAS to get a taste of how to quip

Or hey, why not let RDJ write some of his stuff

 

[Dark Raven]

RDJ write some of his stuff?

Let's face it. Tom was hired for his doe-eyed, earnest portrayal and enthusiasm. Even in real life he pretty much acts that way when you see him in interviews. He's not exactly quippy or even sarcastic, or with such great comedic timing, so it doesn't exactly translate to the role when playing.

But as for RDJ write his material for him? Well, think about it. Half the guys in the MCU are actually naturally funnier than Holland: Evans, Mackie, Bettany, Hiddleston, Cumberbatch, Pratt, Rudd, Favreau ... argh, I'm getting bored writing this list already. It would be probably most of the MCU. It would be quicker to list people who aren't as funny as Holland.

Any one of those listed above could be Holland's comedy coach.

 

[SpideyJJ]

RDJ write some of his stuff?

Let's face it. Tom was hired for his doe-eyed, earnest portrayal and enthusiasm. Even in real life he pretty much acts that way when you see him in interviews. He's not exactly quippy or even sarcastic, or with such great comedic timing, so it doesn't exactly translate to the role when playing.

But as for RDJ write his material for him? Well, think about it. Half the guys in the MCU are actually naturally funnier than Holland: Evans, Mackie, Bettany, Hiddleston, Cumberbatch, Pratt, Rudd, Favreau ... argh, I'm getting bored writing this list already. It would be probably most of the MCU. It would be quicker to list people who aren't as funny as Holland.

Any one of those listed above could be Holland's comedy coach.

Sad, but true. Idk why The Russos were so intent on casting an "exuberant, honest and naive" Spider-Man, but that's whatever we got. Hopefully he can improve overtime or the writers can come up with funnier material for him, because it'd be pretty jarring to sit through a trilogy+2 other Marvel movies of what we got in Civil War

 

[harryoscop]

Oh, I agree that it shouldn't be the main focus of his humor. I want more variety in there as well, have more smart ass remarks, general pot shots at the villains just to get their blood pressure up (like the USM Kingpin example), more of his playfulness represented (like webbing Kingpin's feet to the floor in USM), more witty banter.

But I also think they can still have those moments. Pete is a science geek after all, and it's not inconsistent with his character to, even during a fight, take a moment to have a small science geek moment about something. In fact, it usually has a double purpose, one to indulge his science geek, and also to make the person he's fighting frustrated because it comes off like he's not even bothering to give the opponent his full attention.

So if it happens a few times in this film, I'm fine with it. But I agree that it shouldn't be the focus of his humor, and in the CW battle, it did dominate much of his interactions. It's all about variety. Like you said above, we need to see more of that light hearted levity that Spidey brings.

Fair enough, If it's handled like in Ultimate Spider-Man comic, after he's made some quips, then I'd fine with it. Like you said, variety. From USM Vol 2, Spidey to Electro: "So as long as we have this moment and you don't mind me asking, how'd you get your powers?"-"None of your business!"-"I'm kind of -ah- I'm kind of a science geek for this kind of stuff. I'll tell you how I got mine."

RDJ write some of his stuff?

Let's face it. Tom was hired for his doe-eyed, earnest portrayal and enthusiasm. Even in real life he pretty much acts that way when you see him in interviews. He's not exactly quippy or even sarcastic, or with such great comedic timing, so it doesn't exactly translate to the role when playing.

But as for RDJ write his material for him? Well, think about it. Half the guys in the MCU are actually naturally funnier than Holland: Evans, Mackie, Bettany, Hiddleston, Cumberbatch, Pratt, Rudd, Favreau ... argh, I'm getting bored writing this list already. It would be probably most of the MCU. It would be quicker to list people who aren't as funny as Holland.

Any one of those listed above could be Holland's comedy coach.

RDJ writing his quips doesn't sound like a bad idea, actually. He's closer to how Spidey's jokes & humor should be anyhow. I wouldn't have a problem with that. But damn, this post makes me sad. Just thinking about the idea of the Russos wanting Tom solely because of the naive, gullible thing they're pushing is pretty disheartening.

 

[AlluAllu]

Imo Spidey generally being a motormouth is what's important and that was endearingly delivered in Civil War. Of course I enjoy good quips, but they shouldn't feel forced.

Didn't yet comment on Shocker. I enjoy how recognizable that costume is. Hopefully he has a good characterization. I like how 616 Shocker understands his limits and does mostly small jobs. He might actually be the most successful Spidey villain thanks to that, at least when it comes to win/loss ratio.

 

[Dark Raven]

Imo Spidey generally being a motormouth is what's important and that was endearingly delivered in Civil War. Of course I enjoy good quips, but they shouldn't feel forced.

Didn't yet comment on Shocker. I enjoy how recognizable that costume is. Hopefully he has a good characterization. I like how 616 Shocker understands his limits and does mostly small jobs. He might actually be the most successful Spidey villain thanks to that, at least when it comes to win/loss ratio.

They shouldn't feel absent either.

One shouldn't have to be actually thinking about it and having to point out to others that this or that was a quip. It should be too numerous to list, or that his whole approach should just be comedic.

Think about someone like Michael J Fox. He was a fast talker and made quips. Maybe not all the time in BTTF, but even if he didn't, he is naturally good at comedy. So even his regular dialogue can sound humorous. The same can't be said of Holland.

It's like James D'Arcy in Agent Carter. Some of his dialogue wasn't even written to be funny, but because of his delivery, he even made some of the serious stuff sound like they were tinged with humour and irony.

Imagine if Michael J Fox were in his prime now like in Family Ties or BTTF and he were Peter Parker. And imagine him in a scene with RDJ or any of these other MCU guys. He still had an earnestness but he wasn't so doe-eyed and naive like Holland. And Fox would've killed it holding his own in the quipping department against RDJ.

 

[harryoscop]

They shouldn't feel absent either.

One shouldn't have to be actually thinking about it and having to point out to others that this or that was a quip. It should be too numerous to list, or that his whole approach should just be comedic.

Think about someone like Michael J Fox. He was a fast talker and made quips. Maybe not all the time in BTTF, but even if he didn't, he is naturally good at comedy. So even his regular dialogue can sound humorous. The same can't be said of Holland.

It's like James D'Arcy in Agent Carter. Some of his dialogue wasn't even written to be funny, but because of his delivery, he even made some of the serious stuff sound like they were tinged with humour and irony.

Imagine if Michael J Fox were in his prime now like in Family Ties or BTTF and he were Peter Parker. And imagine him in a scene with RDJ or any of these other MCU guys. He still had an earnestness but he wasn't so doe-eyed and naive like Holland. And Fox would've killed it holding his own in the quipping department against RDJ.

Yeah, I agree. Spidey being a motor-mouh is not more important than making quips/witty remarks. They go hand-in-hand. Anybody can be a motor-mouth, hell, I'm a motor mouth around my friends. Falcon and Hawkeye are motor-mouths during battles (which is why I find Sam's remark about Spidey a little odd) What sets Spidey apart from the average joe is his brand of humor.

Spidey going toe-to-toe with Tony Stark doesn't seem to be something they wanted. I'm guessing the other candidates held their own against RDJ in a way the Russos/Feige didn't like because when Tom came in they said he had the exact reaction they wanted Peter to have in the presence of Stark:

Tom Holland, God bless him, is that in real life. This amazing young English actor who was brought over here, got into our audition process and suddenly found himself in a room, doing a scene with Robert Downey. I swear it, the exact dynamic that we wanted between Peter Parker and Tony Stark, we had between Tom Holland and Robert Downey Jr.

http://deadline.com/2016/05/kevin-f...-man-doctor-strange-black-panther-1201750467/


One of the reasons I and many others wanted Dylan O'Brien was because of his comedic timing and wit that could challenge/hold his own against RDJ.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yeah, I agree. Spidey being a motor-mouh is not more important than making quips/witty remarks. They go hand-in-hand. Anybody can be a motor-mouth, hell, I'm a motor mouth around my friends. Falcon and Hawkeye are motor-mouths during battles (which is why I find Sam's remark about Spidey a little odd) What sets Spidey apart from the average joe is his brand of humor.

Spidey going toe-to-toe with Tony Stark doesn't seem to be something they wanted. I'm guessing the other candidates held their own against RDJ in a way the Russos/Feige didn't like because when Tom came in they said he had the exact reaction they wanted Peter to have in the presence of Stark:http://deadline.com/2016/05/kevin-f...-man-doctor-strange-black-panther-1201750467/
One of the reasons I and many others wanted Dylan O'Brien was because of his comedic timing and wit that could challenge RDJ.

Yeah, Dylan O'Brien would've aced it in the quippy humour department. Even in his interviews, when he's not even made any quip yet, his whole timing and mannerisms give off this comedic vibe. Spidey should be one of the funniest heroes in the Marvel universe. Unfortunately, he's not even in the top 10 in the MCU. And certainly Holland isn't up there as one of the top comedic actors in the MCU. Nearly everyone's funnier than him but just know how to rein it in to play more serious. But going from serious to funny isn't so easy.

And that quote doesn't sound very encouraging for a funny Spider-Man. He seems to be playing it not only as they want him to play it, but as how Holland actually is in real life, which is not really how Spidey is at all.

 

[The Joker]

I look forward to the day when I'll come in here and not see harry and Dark Raven moaning about quips.

 

[SpideyJJ]

Yeah, I agree. Spidey being a motor-mouh is not more important than making quips/witty remarks. They go hand-in-hand. Anybody can be a motor-mouth, hell, I'm a motor mouth around my friends. Falcon and Hawkeye are motor-mouths during battles (which is why I find Sam's remark about Spidey a little odd) What sets Spidey apart from the average joe is his brand of humor.

Spidey going toe-to-toe with Tony Stark doesn't seem to be something they wanted. I'm guessing the other candidates held their own against RDJ in a way the Russos/Feige didn't like because when Tom came in they said he had the exact reaction they wanted Peter to have in the presence of Stark:http://deadline.com/2016/05/kevin-f...-man-doctor-strange-black-panther-1201750467/


One of the reasons I and many others wanted Dylan O'Brien was because of his comedic timing and wit that could challenge/hold his own against RDJ.

I wonder what inspired this direction. I mean, MCU heroes like Tony, Star Lord and Scott Lang all gained their high levels of popularity from being smart mouth quipsters, and given Spidey's infamous wit you'd think they'd play into that characteristic rather than have him just ramble without wit.