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I agree with almost nothing else in this entire comment, but I have to support this. That's the most true-to-life moment we've gotten in a Spider-Man film, IMO. Very reminiscent of some of the stuff Bendis did early on in USM (during the Double Trouble arc comes to mind). It played exactly like real humans with complex emotions who know the baggage each other have, not wanting to burden the other even more, yet unable to realize that they are making things worse. One of the most raw and powerful scenes in the TASM series by far.



Let's please not hold this film to the HIGH bar set by everything the DCCU has done so far. :whatever:
Garfield & Sally Field's acting really sell the scene wonderfully. And you're right about that. I remember a panel in one of the earlier Ultimate Spider-Man issues where Peter comes home late & May asks if Peter likes her. Not as an Aunt or somebody related to him but as a person. She talks about how life sort of threw them together & how it's not the life either of them envisioned. I hope we get some these emotional moments between Tom & Marisa. I hope they don't shy away from the tragic fact that Peter & May are the only ones left in the Parker family.
 
Garfield & Sally Field's acting really sell the scene wonderfully. And you're right about that. I remember a panel in one of the earlier Ultimate Spider-Man issues where Peter comes home late & May asks if Peter likes her. Not as an Aunt or somebody related to him but as a person. She talks about how life sort of threw them together & how it's not the life either of them envisioned. I hope we get some these emotional moments between Tom & Marisa. I hope they don't shy away from the tragic fact that Peter & May are the only ones left in the Parker family.

May: Peter, do you like me? Not just as an aunt but as a person?

Peter: Yes. And as much, much more!

May: :shock

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No worries, I've seen Civil War twice in theaters & I bought the Blu Ray in November. Where was it stated Ben was the reason he was doing what he was doing again? As far as we know, Peter wants to do good because he wants to do good. Remember what Stark said "You wanna do your part, make the world a better place. Just looking out for the little guy, right?"----"Yeah, just looking out for the little guy. That's what it is" So...:shrug: If they acknowledged or at least mentioned Ben then we wouldn't still be having this conversation.

If you have actually seen Civil War, you'd know exactly where it was and we wouldn't still be having this conversation.
 
No worries, I've seen Civil War twice in theaters & I bought the Blu Ray in November. Where was it stated Ben was the reason he was doing what he was doing again? As far as we know, Peter wants to do good because he wants to do good. Remember what Stark said "You wanna do your part, make the world a better place. Just looking out for the little guy, right?"----"Yeah, just looking out for the little guy. That's what it is" So...:shrug: If they acknowledged or at least mentioned Ben then we wouldn't still be having this conversation.

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Here's my question to you: When Tony asks Peter why he does what he does, and Peter says "When you can do the things that I can, but you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you."
What in all of the good green planet earth could he possibly be talking about other than Uncle Ben? Who else would he have lost? How else would he have learned that lesson? He basically outright says it (the subtext is strong with this one) and I doubt he's going to want to unload his personal tragedy (which is still fairly recent, less than six months) on a stranger.
 
Apparently he wasn't talking about Uncle Ben because he didn't yell out "Uncle Ben" 16 times during the short scene.
 
They could've had a subtle scene of Peter eating a bowl of Uncle Ben's rice.
 
Here's my question to you: When Tony asks Peter why he does what he does, and Peter says "When you can do the things that I can, but you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you."
What in all of the good green planet earth could he possibly be talking about other than Uncle Ben? Who else would he have lost? How else would he have learned that lesson? He basically outright says it (the subtext is strong with this one) and I doubt he's going to want to unload his personal tragedy (which is still fairly recent, less than six months) on a stranger.
I guess I can assume he's talking about Ben. But then again, this was in TASM1:

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It was a reference to Spidey's wrestling career in the comics (which was part of his origin) Doesn't mean it happens in the movie. Stark seems to think Peter is just some do-gooder who fell into some powers & is trying to do his part in making the world a better place.
 
I guess I can assume he's talking about Ben. But then again, this was in TASM1:

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It was a reference to Spidey's wrestling career in the comics (which was part of his origin) Doesn't mean it happens in the movie.

Quit while you're behind Harry, you've already lost this argument before.


What is your 100%. confirmation he was talking about Uncle Ben? There honestly is none. You're suppose to assume because he says something similar to "With Great Power' he MUST be talking about Ben. But that's exactly that, an ASSUMPTION.

Here's a quote from Joe Russo flat out confirming what we all know to be true:


"Joe Russo: And he’s not a kid who would necessarily come to that kind of profound realization yet. He still has a journey to go. You’re correct. It shouldn’t be in this film that he comes to that. However, we were intimating that there is a complicated history that this kid has, that there is an Uncle Ben in his past, and that’s something that clearly happened."

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Oh, well Joe confirmed it I guess.. Why didn't you just post that info before? We could've avoided ALL of this
 
Oh yeah, that interview. Well, they should've been more obvious as to what they were trying to say. We still haven't been given any in-universe evidence of Ben having been alive in the MCU. Case closed
 
Oh yeah, that interview. Well, they should've been more obvious as to what they were trying to say. We still haven't been given any in-universe evidence of Ben having been alive in the MCU. Case closed

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Harry's list of nonsense:

- "Spider-man wanting to join the Avengers is a slap in the face to Ben's legacy"
- “Tony is going to take Uncle Ben’s place”
- “Spider-man is more obsessed with being an Avenger than saving lives”
- "Avi Arad cared about the fans"
- "Peter isn't independent anymore"
- "Spider-man in the comics never wanted to be an Avenger"
- "This version of Peter isn't intelligent"
- "A 15-year old inventing web-shooters and web-fluid that catch the eye of Tony Stark isn't a big deal"
- "Peter acting like a star-struck kid around the Avengers is unrealistic"
- "May isn't sad about Ben's death judging by how friendly she got with Stark."
- "We still haven't been given any in-universe evidence of Ben having been alive in the MCU.
 
I guess I can assume he's talking about Ben. But then again, this was in TASM1:

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It was a reference to Spidey's wrestling career in the comics (which was part of his origin) Doesn't mean it happens in the movie. Stark seems to think Peter is just some do-gooder who fell into some powers & is trying to do his part in making the world a better place.

so much illogical.. thinking in this post it kind of hurts to reply to it.

a comic book reference is not synonymous with backstory. It is up for the viewer to infer he is talking about uncle ben. the tasm1 wrestling mask, while arguably a comic book reference, puts no onus on the viewer to infer anything, period. it's context is clear in tasm1 (it leads to the mask).

And yes, Stark may think just that, that was kind of the point: Peter was withholding information to him as Uncle Ben is a heavy subject. Pay attention to Peter's expression after Tony says "Just looking out for the little guy?"

Just because Tony takes Peter literally / does not read into any subtext doesnt mean the audience should. We know his backstory from previous films and media.
 
guys how do we know peter ever got bitten by a spider to get his powers. civil war didn't show it. therefore we should assume he didn't get bitten until proven otherwise even though the spider bite is well established part of his origin.
 
Guys how do we know that Michael Keaton is playing the Vulture? We still haven't been given any in-universe evidence of Keaton playing the Vulture. Yes everything points that way and anyone with fully-functioning critical faculties could tell that he is given the trailers, but we haven't seen him say "I'm the Vulture". Therefore we should assume he isn't until proven otherwise. Case closed.
 
Michael Keaton is playing Squirrel Girl. He's going to say "You wanna get nuts? Let's get nuts."
 
"Whatever life holds in store for me, I will never forget these words: "With great power comes great responsibility." This is my gift, my curse. Who am I? I'm Spider-Man."

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"You are a lot like your father. You really are, Peter, and that's a good thing. But your father by a philosophy, a principle, really. He believed that if you could do good things for other people, you had a moral obligation to do those things! That's what's at stake here. Not choice. Responsibility."

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"When you can do the things that I can

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but you don't
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and then the bad things happen

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they happen because of you."

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I will say this, though. It's not such an obvious thing as you guys are making it out to be. If it were, you wouldn't have worried Spidey fans starting "Does Uncle Ben exist? threads in Reddit & you wouldn't have people believing Stark is going to take his place. The incineration should have been stronger & that's the truth.
 
Wait? People actually doubt Uncle Ben exist.
If he didn't exist, Spider-Man wouldn't exist, the identity and the hero wouldn't exist.
 
Well, they can't let Peter can't catch him 'cause he was seemingly going to torture & kill the dude. That was his intent when he went searching for him. "This could've got a lot worse" So... Yeah.

Ah, yes. It would be completely dumb for Peter to have a moment of clarity. Well, with Gartfunkle's lack of humanity in the movies, maybe you're right. :o

As for Peter yelling at May-- I thought that scene felt very real & true to life. Peter was frustrated because he was trying to find Ben's killer, he was keeping this secret to himself & it was too much for him. Aunt May was wanted to know what was going on with him & he ended up blowing up on May but she snapped back. It was a very organic moment. And Peter definitely cared for May in TASM movies.

Yeah, all those times he continued to talk about his parents and ignore May. Yeah. He loves her alot. Also, it was still horribly handled.



None of those stories would have fit the movie they were trying to make. It was never going to be about Curt's family (Although Billy was in a deleted scene). The Lizard's motivation was a reflection of Curt's in the movie & it fitted with the "Metamorphosis/destiny/power' themes of the movie. They had already tied him to Richard Parker so that was close connection to Peter.

He worked with his dad and got into a fight with him and worked at Oscorp. Oddly reminiscent of Norman Osborn (In name only) from TASM2. Have you ever read any of those, btw? Lizard's tale is all about the duality of Connors, and his alter-ego. You're right though, it didn't fit with what they were trying to make - because then I may have actually cared about someone in that movie, which they clearly failed at lol. I'd also love to add, deleted scenes do not count. It is not part of the finished film. Therefore, the movie failed to show a seriously crucial aspect of the character. Much like they did with Spider-Man in those movies. :cwink:



No arguments there.


But see, I'm not asking for another origin story just a quick recap/flashback. I don't understand why people kept moaning about seeing Uncle Ben & the origin again. We've seen Bruce Wayne's parents die four times, what is wrong with showing such a vital part of the character for a NEW version?

Because it would be entirely blase and unnecessary. Blase is a word which here means: unimpressed or indifferent to something because one has experienced or seen it so often before.


Feige can't just assume EVERYBODY knows his origin because there could be kids who are being introduced to the character via MCU. I was introduced to Spidey through the Raimi films.

What a shame. I mean, it isn't like we have nearly 60+ years of content to sift through, or a PERFECT origin in SM1. No, only newcomers can watch the movies, not go through any other media with the character. :funny:

Blame Sony for not releasing anything for this movie. The marketing for this movie SUCKS hard compared to SM2-TASM2's marketing campaign. There's nothing to talk about & that's why the same topics keep being recycled. TASM1-TASM2 was way more active than this place all the way through

SM2/SM3 had better marketing, but the marketing for both TASM movies were horrible. We knew the full movie going in both times.

Nice to see the quality of posts here has improved since last night.

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Here's my question to you: When Tony asks Peter why he does what he does, and Peter says "When you can do the things that I can, but you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you."
What in all of the good green planet earth could he possibly be talking about other than Uncle Ben? Who else would he have lost? How else would he have learned that lesson? He basically outright says it (the subtext is strong with this one) and I doubt he's going to want to unload his personal tragedy (which is still fairly recent, less than six months) on a stranger.

BUT MUH LACK OF UNCLE BEN PICTURES!!!!

Apparently he wasn't talking about Uncle Ben because he didn't yell out "Uncle Ben" 16 times during the short scene.

OMFG that had me laughing so hard in TASM1. Uncle Ben literally dies over chocolate milk, then Peter just goes : UncleBenUncleBenUncleBenUncleBenUncleBenUncleBenUncleBenUncleBenUncleBenUncleBenUncleBenUncleBenUncleBen *autistic screeching* lmao
 
guys how do we know peter ever got bitten by a spider to get his powers. civil war didn't show it. therefore we should assume he didn't get bitten until proven otherwise even though the spider bite is well established part of his origin.

His dad probably pre-destined Spider-Man's becoming by making Spider-Blood. :funny:
 
Wait? People actually doubt Uncle Ben exist.
If he didn't exist, Spider-Man wouldn't exist, the identity and the hero wouldn't exist.
Exactly. Uncle Ben IS the ONLY reason he became Spider-Man. The sooner Marvel realizes this & stops trying to sidestep the origin the better.
 
Well hopefully all those ridiculous "Uncle Ben not existing" fears are put to rest after Homecoming comes out.

Personally I feel like it was very clear he was talking about Ben when he was having the "responsibility" talk with Tony.
 
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