Comics Spiderman & Obama

[Themanofbat]

All of that is true but I dont see what it has to do with canceling the Parker marriage. He can be married and still be a young man. Heck, these days he could be divorced and still be a young man.

Preach it.

You know, it's funny that, for all the ways Marvel tries to be modern and relevent, they certainly seem to be stuck in the 1950's when it comes down to their idea of "marriage".

Married means old.
Married means you have kids.
Married means your life is no longer interesting and it becomes "I Love Lucy".

I know friends of mine who are younger than me, two of them, who were married and divorced by age 24. It's not uncommon. Also, it's not usually a "Oh my god, now I'm so aged that no one finds me interesting anymore" type thing. It's ususally a "We married too young for the wrong reasons and weren't ready for a committment of this magnitude" type thing...and that could have been done believably with Peter and MJ, as opposed to a deal with the devil.

All of what both of you say is true... but the bottom line is that regardless of the fact that Peter can be a young married man, Marvel wants its character to be a young single man, and since they "own" the character of Peter Parker, they have every right to make a decision based on what they perceive as the longevity of their creation.

 

[Hobgoblin]

All of what both of you say is true... but the bottom line is that regardless of the fact that Peter can be a young married man, Marvel wants its character to be a young single man, and since they "own" the character of Peter Parker, they have every right to make a decision based on what they perceive as the longevity of their creation.

And you are also correct, sir. Just like how Marvel has the right to do as they wish with their character, we have the right to not buy their stories. It makes me wonder who will win out. Is there enough reader resentment over OMD to make Marvel reverse course? Time will tell.

 

[shinlyle]

Yeah, Marvel has the right to do with Spider-Man whatever they choose, I have the right not to read it, and we all have the right to disagree verbally or to remain silent.

Me, I just can't help but think of how much more interesting comics were in the Silver Age all the way up until the 80's. That was before everyone was thinking in terms of "How will this affect the character in 50 years", and when people just tried to tell interesting stories with character progression.

Personally, I would rather see Peter get older, have kids, one of his kids take over the webs, and then continue on. Yeah, we'd all miss Peter as Spidey, but the prospect of a universe that ages with us just sounds so much cooler than going back in 10 years and knowing that Peter will be single, living in a crummy apartment, working at the Bugle, etc.

 

[Meehaul]

Yup, its a tough line to draw. People generally don't like to see "new" characters. DC tried to change Green Lantern and the Flash, but both fared so poorly, they brought Hal, and now Barry, back. WHile it's true that an earlier iteration of both those characters had existed, Allan Scott (GL) and Jay Garrick (Flash), both had died out before the Silver Age started so DC was basically starting from scratch again. It's hard to create a new character that develops a large popular following and to keep it going. Wolverine is kind of new (1974), as is Spawn (1992), although SPawn's popularity peaked in the 90's. If you look at the top comic sellers, most are characters created in the 60's or, in the case of Batman and Supes, in the 30's. And, the other ugly truth is that kids don't want to read about married heroes with children, and adult readers, who are seeking to escape the drudgery of ther own lives, don't want escapist fantasy that has their heroes reflect their own lives too closely. We want to identify with Pete, but not too much. Comics are just in a tough place right now.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

God, really... who was clamoring for the return of Barry Allen? What did he bring back that Wally West lacked? Certainly not personality.

So Hal Jordan, Oliver Queen, Jason Todd and now Barry Allen have returned. DC.... the new Marvel.

 

[moraldeficiency]

All of what both of you say is true... but the bottom line is that regardless of the fact that Peter can be a young married man, Marvel wants its character to be a young single man, and since they "own" the character of Peter Parker, they have every right to make a decision based on what they perceive as the longevity of their creation.

That's only true to a point, every past attempt to singlify him has failed specatularly and Marvel has needed to correct it. So yeah they own the character and can do what they want but only if they can draw in sustained fan support. I just don't see that happening in this run. Who wants to read about a Peter Parker that has no sense of responsibility or heroism?

 

[shinlyle]

That's only true to a point, every past attempt to singlify him has failed specatularly and Marvel has needed to correct it. So yeah they own the character and can do what they want but only if they can draw in sustained fan support. I just don't see that happening in this run. Who wants to read about a Peter Parker that has no sense of responsibility or heroism?

Here's an interesting question to ask yourself:

If the solicits for ASM#600 came out, and they said it would be the return of the marriage and the undoing of the deal with Mephisto, the same creative teams would be put in place, the 3X shipping schedule would stay the same, and the better plot points and characters from BND would stay, how well do you think THAT would sell, versus what they have now?

If they offered incentive covers and variants like they do for every current arc of BND, I'll bet they'd sell like hotcakes.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I'd be back on board, it'd be nice to read Spider-Man again, especially if he becomes a hero and cares about responsibility. He used to be my one inspirational type figure, something better than what we get in the real world. Currently he's just below blagovich in terms of heroism. I've been emulating hercules instead, which has lead to many drunken nights of random sex and breaking things.

 

[Meehaul]

I am not a fan of the marriage. I was a mistake. I am also not a fan of the "deal," it was not true to Pete's character. I say reveal that MJ was a skrull and that SHE not Pete did the deal. That's why they were never married, as Pete was married to a skrull.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I am not a fan of the marriage. I was a mistake. I am also not a fan of the "deal," it was not true to Pete's character. I say reveal that MJ was a skrull and that SHE not Pete did the deal. That's why they were never married, as Pete was married to a skrull.

So just copy the FF?

 

[Hobgoblin]

Here's an interesting question to ask yourself:

If the solicits for ASM#600 came out, and they said it would be the return of the marriage and the undoing of the deal with Mephisto, the same creative teams would be put in place, the 3X shipping schedule would stay the same, and the better plot points and characters from BND would stay, how well do you think THAT would sell, versus what they have now?

If they offered incentive covers and variants like they do for every current arc of BND, I'll bet they'd sell like hotcakes.

I would seriously consider buying from them again. I would need to know more about the arcs going on.

 

[JerseyJoker]

Why does every thread in this forum "MAGICALLY" turn into same old drivel.

 

[shinlyle]

Why does every thread in this forum "MAGICALLY" turn into same old drivel.

Hey, it's magic. We don't have to explain it.


(you had to know it was coming)

 

[moraldeficiency]

Hey, it's magic. We don't have to explain it.


(you had to know it was coming)

haha, that was so asked for.


Joker, I'll put it to you this way. If there was an issue where batman raped robin brutally, then was never brought up again but is in contunity, do you think anyone on the batboards would be talking about anything else regardless of what's going on? Plus the constant references to the act in ASM keep bring us back to the same point with the same retcon and the same problems, so blame the writers for bring it up.

 

[Meehaul]

I think every character that's ever sucked at any point in time should be revealed to have been a skrull. The real George W. Bush is STILL being held in a skrull prison.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I did finally pick up the Spider-Man/Obama issue (on like its 3rd printing). Despite being an Obama fan, this story was so basic and ordinary it could have been a Hostess fruit pie ad. The main story wasn't so hot either. I'm all for character development, but a Spider-Man comic is supposed to have at least a little Spider-Man in it.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Ok guys, enough politics. If you want to talk government, go to the Political forum. This thread is meant for discussing ASM 583.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Any body see this yet? t:


http://www.theonion.com/content/news/obama_disappointed_cabinet_failed


For those who don't know; The Onion is a satirical newssource.

 

[The Lizard]

The Obama story was pretty lame, but at least it wasn't as bad as the "Spidey meets Jay Leno" story from a few years ago. Yeeeesh.

 

[Hobgoblin]

I just remember Leno taking out a bunch of ninjas because Jackie Chan taught him a few moves.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

The Obama story was pretty lame, but at least it wasn't as bad as the "Spidey meets Jay Leno" story from a few years ago. Yeeeesh.

Ron Zimmerman wrote that, who is arguably the worst writer ever to touch Spidey (yes, that's taking Byrne and Mackie into account). He was a pal of Joe Q and got the gig pretty much that way. Funny story... After being torn to shreds on the Spider-Man message board he decided to wade in and defend himself by attacking everyone else... even people who defended him. His grammar and sentence structure was akin to that of a 12 year old who somehow got on his dad's computer (making one wonder how many hours of proof-reading and editing were required to make his scripts look semi-coherent for the artist) and his belligerent attitude towards others (utilizing many four-letter words, as well as derogatory terms questioning everyone's sexual orientation) was akin to that of a drunk fraternity member. He is to date, I believe, the only comic-writer (or artist or editor or letterer) to ever get banned from there.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Ron Zimmerman wrote that, who is arguably the worst writer ever to touch Spidey (yes, that's taking Byrne and Mackie into account). He was a pal of Joe Q and got the gig pretty much that way. Funny story... After being torn to shreds on the Spider-Man message board he decided to wade in and defend himself by attacking everyone else... even people who defended him. His grammar and sentence structure was akin to that of a 12 year old who somehow got on his dad's computer (making one wonder how many hours of proof-reading and editing were required to make his scripts look semi-coherent for the artist) and his belligerent attitude towards others (utilizing many four-letter words, as well as derogatory terms questioning everyone's sexual orientation) was akin to that of a drunk fraternity member. He is to date, I believe, the only comic-writer (or artist or editor or letterer) to ever get banned from there.

Lol, that was ME he was fighting with on the Spidey boards...or at least ONE of the guys was me. t:

 

[Venom 1988]

Wasn't Zimmerman the guy who wrote that Tangled Web issue of all the villains meeting in a bar? I thought that story was pretty good...

 

[Themanofbat]

Ron Zimmerman wrote Get Kraven 1-6, Tangled Web 13 & Sweet Charity 1... if that helps...

 

[Hobgoblin]

I never read the other stories but Get Kraven was a debacle.