Homecoming Spiderman x Daredevil in the MCU

[Random490]

I highly doubt Fisk or Daredevil will appear in a Spider-man movie. I don't think Disney will want to associate Spider-man with such a dark series on netflix, I don't think Sony was Spider-man to share his film like that, and I don't think Marvel want's spider-man's solo film story to be reliant on a netflix series not everyone may have been able to watch.

However I think the opposite is far more possible, for Spider-man appearing in an episode of Daredevil or The Defenders. TV shows are far more flexible, plus one episode won't distract too much from Daredevil's story. Mainly it would be good to just have that moment of "Oh right they are in the same city" Perhaps Peter's light hearted attitude helps Matt in a tough time.

As for Fisk I feel he should stay a Daredevil villain, I don't want to see him in a Spidey film. What would be funny is in season 3 (assuming Fisk gets out of jail and reestablishes a criminal empire) have one episode where Spider-man teams up with DD, they gain mutual respect for each other, and throughout the episode Spidey learns of how desperate DD is to stop Fisk again. So at the end of the episode Spidey says "I know what will make you happy" He then breaks into Fisk's home, Fisk starts of cocky knowing full well that Spider-man doesn't have anything to get him arrested. Spidey tells him that's not why here's here, he takes out a piece of paper and starts telling one fat joke after another(Ultimate Spider-man comic reference). Enraging Fisk to the point he starts attacking, but Spidey dodges everyone while continually mocking him. At the end he *****-slaps Fisk and says "The Devil's coming for you and he's got friends" then leaves Fisk utterly humiliated with Matt outside grinning from ear-to-ear.

I think that would be fun.

 

[Webhead2006]

Just cause they are a little darker with netflix sruff doesn't automatically mean those characters or spidey himself could criss cross. It would be a major letdown with both marvel and sony if dd, fisk, punisher never cross paths with spidey. And logically wouldn't make any sense as they are all in the nyc together. Now yes we may not see anything to sequel or infinity wars deal. But like I said I would at least like some refrence to them. Like a news ticker on a news report. Like last week's aos episode there was a ticker mentioning gang war in hell kitchen. So stuff like that. Or headlines about fisk and punisher on bugle walls or bugle website. Ala like the battle of new York on walls of the city bulliten in dd.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Spider-Man is a street level superhero. It should be able to work. I don't see Spider-Man appearing anytime in a Netflix series lol. He is going to appear on the big screen only. The budget for Spidey's costume alone costs more than DD's budget. It would be more likely for us to see Daredevil show up in an MCU film in a small cameo.

 

[Webhead2006]

You be surprised what tv can do bowdays. Look at the sfx on shows like shield or flash and compared to a decade ago. But ya it's again not likely to happen any time soob. But still small refrence and would hope they do cross paths some day.

 

[Random490]

Just cause they are a little darker with netflix sruff doesn't automatically mean those characters or spidey himself could criss cross. It would be a major letdown with both marvel and sony if dd, fisk, punisher never cross paths with spidey. And logically wouldn't make any sense as they are all in the nyc together. Now yes we may not see anything to sequel or infinity wars deal. But like I said I would at least like some refrence to them. Like a news ticker on a news report. Like last week's aos episode there was a ticker mentioning gang war in hell kitchen. So stuff like that. Or headlines about fisk and punisher on bugle walls or bugle website. Ala like the battle of new York on walls of the city bulliten in dd.

Kind of does at least for the film, Daredevil is so tonally different than what I am expecting the spider-man film to be like, that DD/Punisher/Fisk would stick out like a sore thumb. And that's with a major multi million dollar film. Like I said tv is more mallieable to those kinds of mixture, at least in my opinion. That's just them as main characters and a major part of the story, they definitely should have references, easter eggs, and cameos together. I'll be a little bummed out if DD/Punisher/JJ don't have a shout out on tv about going issue of unchecked vigilantes.

You be surprised what tv can do bowdays. Look at the sfx on shows like shield or flash and compared to a decade ago. But ya it's again not likely to happen any time soob. But still small refrence and would hope they do cross paths some day.

They could definitely get it done if they wanted, if spidey appears in one episode I could picture them animating it 2-3 times tops and then switching the eye frames for each shot and cut it together to imply that it's moving. Or just don't have them move and mention they need to be repaired or some bs like that.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Yes he is still sony but technically hr is not cut off from the mcu now as he is a part and solos are a part of the mcu. Like I said I would be pissed if these characters never meet. When they technically could not. Where it wasn't a chance in the past.

that's not at all what I'm saying. in your previous post you made it sound like spiderman isn't with sony anymore, but he is. sony is just cooperating.

I highly doubt Fisk or Daredevil will appear in a Spider-man movie. I don't think Disney will want to associate Spider-man with such a dark series on netflix, I don't think Sony was Spider-man to share his film like that, and I don't think Marvel want's spider-man's solo film story to be reliant on a netflix series not everyone may have been able to watch.

first of all, they are "associated" by default just by being a part of the same fictional universe. that argument doesn't work because of this fact. second of all, since sony is now working with disney, they should be aware of the fact that daredevil is pretty much critically acclaimed. if they were presented with the idea or came up with it I don't think it'd be immediately dismissed.

 

[Random490]

first of all, they are "associated" by default just by being a part of the same fictional universe. that argument doesn't work because of this fact. second of all, since sony is now working with disney, they should be aware of the fact that daredevil is pretty much critically acclaimed. if they were presented with the idea or came up with it I don't think it'd be immediately dismissed.

I'm referring to association from a marketing/PI perspective. Disney probably won't want a tent pole Marvel film that will most likely be intended for all ages to be directly connected to a series featuring a car door decapitation and ritualistic blood letting. Considering the lengths they went to make the Sony deal I doubt they'll try anything risky to the multi million dollar film they're really betting on being a success. I doubt Disney would want to shoe horn a much darker character in a tent pole Marvel film, which are generally more family friendly, just to make some fans giggle. Specially a character who really isn't a part of Spider-man's circle. Sure they've teamed up quite a bit but never on the levels where they've become supporting character in each others comics. Spider-man doesn't "have" to co-star Daredevil, there's a wealth of character I'm sure Fiege would rather explore the wealth of characters that have comeback than shove a tonally different characters that already being well explored in a tonally different film.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I'm referring to association from a marketing/PI perspective. Disney probably won't want a tent pole Marvel film that will most likely be intended for all ages to be directly connected to a series featuring a car door decapitation and ritualistic blood letting.

And I've been stating again and again that placing such restrctions between the IPs breaks the organicity of what the MCU has been built and continues to build upon. In order to continue making the franchise feel organic, they need to move passed the fact that some of the properties are presented in different mediums.

Considering the lengths they went to make the Sony deal I doubt they'll try anything risky to the multi million dollar film they're really betting on being a success.

Since Sony is working with Disney, they also should be aware of the fact that Daredevil is critically acclaimed, and as many people say it, the most popular thing on Netflix.

I doubt Disney would want to shoe horn a much darker character in a tent pole Marvel film, which are generally more family friendly, just to make some fans giggle.

How exactly is it "shoehorning"? These characters all operate together in their source material, the comics, and these two characters in particular have a very close history with one another. It doesn't matter that one is darker than the other, they coexist in the same world, the same city, sometimes even the same goddamn neighborhood.

Specially a character who really isn't a part of Spider-man's circle.

I want to say you don't know what you're talking about, but I'm sure you do but for some reason you're acting like you don't because these characters are often part of each others' circles. Not to mention they have a common (arc) enemy, the Kingpin.

Sure they've teamed up quite a bit but never on the levels where they've become supporting character in each others comics.

From my understanding, Daredevil is practically Peter Parker's best "superhero" friend, the one he's been with in many if not most teamups in the comics. If there's any teamup that wouldn't feel forced, it's theirs.

Spider-man doesn't "have" to co-star Daredevil, there's a wealth of character I'm sure Fiege would rather explore the wealth of characters that have comeback than shove a tonally different characters that already being well explored in a tonally different film.

The reason I brought it up in the first place is because back when the deal was made, it is said that the deal made it so Sony could and will use Marvel characters in the solo Spidey movies. Sony would want to use the most lucrative which would be Cap or Iron Man, but THAT would definitely feel forced, so story wise I think the best interest would be to use Matt Murdock, if anyone.

 

[harryoscop]

There's no chance that Daredevil will team up with Spidey, and especially not in HIS solo film. SONY will not want him to share a film with an R-rated/Hard PG-13 character, nevermind the fact that Disney/Marvel doesn't seem to want the movie characters to associate with the R-rated Netflix characters either. Plus the rift between Marvel TV and Marvel movies may have further been widened by thw whole Perlmutter thing that happened a few months ago. It's just not likely to happen as much as it sucks.

 

[ernesth100]

If this ever happens it has to end with Kingpin on the floor dazed and his vision clearing to see Spidey and DD standing in front of him.

Spidey: What's wrong Fisk?
Daredevil: I think he's seein red.
Spidey: Good one.


*Daredevil punches him out and Spidey webs him up*

 

[Webhead2006]

Again just cause look or tone is different that shouldn't mean dd, punisher, fisk should never wander over and meet an interact with spidey. They are all street characters who all have massive ties to each other. And now they all reside in the same live action universe. It would be a huge missed chance to see them all together now. Again I wouldn't expect seeing it in solo 1 or even solo 2. But in time I bet we will see then cross paths. And for now I would take a tv news ticker appears in a scene. Or maybe even see peter reading a old bugle article on dd and fisk or the ounisher. To just have those nods and winks thrre there. And peter knows who they are and what not.

 

[ernesth100]

None of the stuff DD does when fighting is any worse than what we see in films where villains get thrown off air crafts, heroes get shot, villains get crushed, heroes get electrocuted and beat down, hell from the looks of the CW trailer their pushing those boundaries, Buckys arm looks to be ripped off in one scene.

They don't have to do all that super graphic, bone cracking, eye stabbing, shoot'em up stuff in if DD is in a Spidey film. I mean Superman snapped someones neck in BvS. Bucky fell a thousand feet of a speeding train. Cap was shot multiple times in the body, The MCU may have childish humor but it can get serious if needed. Daredevil is one case though,it's easy to bring him into a MCU film.


Punisher is another case, they can still show him shooting up people and being Punisher if he crosses into the films but aot of it will have to be dulled down ala Wolverine, where there's not that much blood. And he won't be doing any super throat slitting fatalities. But he'll still be Punisher.


Luke Cage, Iron Fist and Jessica Jones are Daredevil cases, they don't kill everyone baddy they see ala Punisher. So they are all easily pulled off by a PG-13 rating.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya and I said it before with fisk it's not like we need to see him f bombing spidey or bashing spidey head into a car door ie r rated stuff. For fisk or dd and what not appear in a spidey film or any of the other non netflix stuff.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

There's no chance that Daredevil will team up with Spidey, and especially not in HIS solo film. SONY will not want him to share a film with an R-rated/Hard PG-13 character, nevermind the fact that Disney/Marvel doesn't seem to want the movie characters to associate with the R-rated Netflix characters either. Plus the rift between Marvel TV and Marvel movies may have further been widened by thw whole Perlmutter thing that happened a few months ago. It's just not likely to happen as much as it sucks.

? just because daredevil is in the movie doesn't mean it has to automatically be more gory/harder. those liberties are taken because netflix offers to facilitate it. the daredevil movie from back in the day was rated pg 13 and they can easily keep it all that way too.

 

[Tg11]

I would love to see Kingpin in the new Disney MCU Spider-Man series as a villain especially because to see Kingpin on the big screen going toe to toe with Spider-Man I would love that and even if Daredevil did cameo in Spidey's movie it would make sense because of the Kingpin connection

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I would love to see Kingpin in the new Disney MCU Spider-Man series as a villain especially because to see Kingpin on the big screen going toe to toe with Spider-Man I would love that and even if Daredevil did cameo in Spidey's movie it would make sense because of the Kingpin connection

good to see you got a grip on the concept now

 

[Asteroid-Man]

There's no chance that Daredevil will team up with Spidey, and especially not in HIS solo film. SONY will not want him to share a film with an R-rated/Hard PG-13 character, nevermind the fact that Disney/Marvel doesn't seem to want the movie characters to associate with the R-rated Netflix characters either. Plus the rift between Marvel TV and Marvel movies may have further been widened by thw whole Perlmutter thing that happened a few months ago. It's just not likely to happen as much as it sucks.

You've got it completely backwards. The only way Disney AND Sony would be ok with this is if Daredevil was in a Spider-Man movie. Then you can tone back Daredevil. (See the special in TAS where Daredevil shows up for a few episodes "Sins of the Father" arc, or Spidey comics in general)

If you put Spider-Man in Daredevil, then you have a PR nightmare on your hands. Kids will try to watch Daredevil because Spidey is on it and parents will lose their ****.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

You've got it completely backwards. The only way Disney AND Sony would be ok with this is if Daredevil was in a Spider-Man movie. Then you can tone back Daredevil. (See the special in TAS where Daredevil shows up for a few episodes "Sins of the Father" arc, or Spidey comics in general)

And I dunno about you, but I think adapting something like that would be fantastic.

If you put Spider-Man in Daredevil, then you have a PR nightmare on your hands. Kids will try to watch Daredevil because Spidey is on it and parents will lose their ****.

that's a chance they should be willing to take. look at how successful deadpool was...you think fox will hold back from including him in future pg 13 x men movies just coz his original movie was rated harsher?

EDIT: I misunderstood the second half of your post. I thought you meant putting Daredevil in a Spiderman movie will make kids want to watch the Daredevil tv show. Which hey that could be possible too.

but you meant putting Spiderman in an episode or arc of the Daredevil tv show. And I'm all up for that too, later on after the solo film. And my point remains the same; it's a risk they should be willing to take.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

And I dunno about you, but I think adapting something like that would be a fantastic.

that's a chance they should be willing to take. look at how successful deadpool was...you think fox will hold back from including him in future pg 13 x men movies just coz his original movie was rated harsher?

EDIT: I misunderstood the second half of your post. I thought you meant putting Daredevil in a Spiderman movie will make kids want to watch the Daredevil tv show. Which hey that could be possible too.

but you meant putting Spiderman in an episode or arc of the Daredevil tv show. And I'm all up for that too, later on after the solo film. And my point remains the same; it's a risk they should be willing to take.

In short -
Daredevil in a Spidey movie = fair game
Spidey in DD show = dangerous PR

Adults can watch DD show and Spidey movie, kids can't necessarily do the same.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

In short -
Daredevil in a Spidey movie = fair game
Spidey in DD show = dangerous PR

Adults can watch DD show and Spidey movie, kids can't necessarily do the same.

spidey in DD is fair game, it's just a bolder move. and IF peter parker were to be a character in season 3, he doesn't have to be a main character, he could just be a recurring character like kingpin was in season 2; that was a brilliantly kept secret, I had no idea kingpin was in season 2 and it wasn't for that much either, so it could be kept hidden in both promotion and casting news

 

[Asteroid-Man]

spidey in DD is fair game, it's just a bolder move. and IF peter parker were to be a character in season 3, he doesn't have to be a main character, he could just be a recurring character like kingpin was in season 2; that was a brilliantly kept secret, I had no idea kingpin was in season 2 and it wasn't for that much either, so it could be kept hidden in both promotion and casting news

I don't mean from the point of view of rights, I mean the very real issue of children watching an adult show to see their favourite hero (that is very much kid-friendly).

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I don't mean from the point of view of rights, I mean the very real issue of children watching an adult show to see their favourite hero (that is very much kid-friendly).

Oh I see. Well yeah in which case, like I said, Peter Parker can and should appear as a recurring character, and his presence there can be kept under wraps. Like he wouldn't have to appear in promotion, and Tom Holland wouldn't be announced in casting rumors. I think that much was the case for Kingpin in season 2.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Oh I see. Well yeah in which case, like I said, Peter Parker can and should appear as a recurring character, and his presence there can be kept under wraps. Like he wouldn't have to appear in promotion, and Tom Holland wouldn't be announced in casting rumors. I think that much was the case for Kingpin in season 2.

No way in hell Sony would let that happen hahaha

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

No way in hell Sony would let that happen hahaha

people used to say Sony would never play nice with the mouse.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya i said it before too just casue the netflix shows are rated mature. Doesnt mean we couldnt see any of those characters appear in a non mature rated mcu product. Really matt/dd doesnt do anything that would cross over the pg 13 line. And really all you would not see out of punisher or fisk is them swearing all the time and a little less on the gore/blood. Just look at what we see over on shield or in the films for death and killing and what not. There is no reason we couldnt see these characters cross paths some day. And it wouldnt make sense they wouldnt when they are all based in and around the nyc area. Really the only issue is more on scheduling and what not behind the scenes issues that could arise.