Homecoming Spiderman x Daredevil in the MCU

[MbJ]

Yep. they're all mcu.

And yet they still haven't had any of the movie heroes on the TV show! Funny that, huh?

 

[MbJ]

Let it go, XB. First it was O'Brien as Spider-Man and now this.

I'd love to see Daredevil and Spider-Man team-up or cross paths but they're two completely different properties and that's how it'll remain for the foreseeable future.

Oh my god I still remember when all those people thought Dylan would be Spider-Man.

It'd be neat if DD got a cameo or namecheck in Homecoming.

 

[metaphysician]

And yet they still haven't had any of the movie heroes on the TV show! Funny that, huh?

They've had Nick Fury, Sif, and Maria Hill on AoS, and Peggy Carter on, ahem, Agent Carter.

The Netflix stuff hasn't had any cameos, but it doesn't really have a good reason to.

 

[MbJ]

They've had Nick Fury, Sif, and Maria Hill on AoS, and Peggy Carter on, ahem, Agent Carter.

Which is why I specified heroes. Sif is about the closest thing you could compare to an actual superhero and even then she's just a supporting character.

The Netflix stuff hasn't had any cameos, but it doesn't really have a good reason to.

Which is what I've been saying this entire time. There's no reason to expect Peter Parker to show up in it other than the fact that he and Daredevil happen to share a villain and are friends in the comics.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Oh my god I still remember when all those people thought Dylan would be Spider-Man.

It'd be neat if DD got a cameo or namecheck in Homecoming.

Dylan will be spider-man. Just watch

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Let it go, XB.

watcha gonna do to make me let it go bro?

First it was O'Brien as Spider-Man and now this.

I wasn't happy about that but I'm living with it. Back then to everyone likeminded I would always say no matter who gets picked the most important thing is

I'd love to see Daredevil and Spider-Man team-up or cross paths but they're two completely different properties and that's how it'll remain for the foreseeable future.

no they're not. they're properties that are a part of the same franchise.

And yet they still haven't had any of the movie heroes on the TV show! Funny that, huh?

pretty sure sif and maria hill have showed up on the tv shows...and even then, you act like you know exactly what's gonna take place in the future. i'd rather you share your crystal ball then take your word for it.

Dylan will be spider-man. Just watch

maybe he can be spiderman in that Ps4 game or the cartoon movie.

 

[MbJ]

no they're not. they're properties that are a part of the same franchise.

Properties that have been kept apart by the movie and TV divisions, yes.

pretty sure sif and maria hill have showed up on the tv shows

So, not the heroes, like I've said?

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Properties that have been kept apart by the movie and TV divisions, yes.

Still a part of the same franchise and fictional universe, yah.

So, not the heroes, like I've said?

Maria Hill is a hero to me. She just isn't an avenger. And...so is Sif. you're not convincing me of anything here.

 

[PeterBenParker]

watcha gonna do to make me let it go bro?

Well, not really anything considering this is a public forum and any form of threat is quite frankly stupid.

We've just been trying to tell you not to get your hopes so insanely high and end up disappointed once again (like you did with O'Brien).

no they're not. they're properties that are a part of the same franchise.

Yes, they're both under the MCU umbrella but they're under different sections of said umbrella. Daredevil is part of the MCU's Netflix series, which is more grounded and adult-orientated. Spider-Man is the big screen, which naturally caters to everyone.

There have been no plans thus far for any of the Netflix series characters to appear in a film or vice-versa. You use Agents of Shield as an example or minor characters from Thor or Avengers but that's exactly the point. Those characters can fit anywhere due to 'em being more-or-less human characters that don't need any specific kind of budget attached to 'em. You're wanting SPIDER-MAN to appear in Daredevil, which means any appearance he'd have would be quite costly, which I'm doubting they'd wanna do.

To add to my earlier point, they're two totally different characters in terms of tone. Daredevil is a much more grittier character in the MCU than Spider-Man and should they appear together, I can almost guarantee you'd have people B&M that it's tonally off due to the confliction.

Besides, Spidey and Daredevil always work best together when they're around the same age. Having a younger Spidey with an older Daredevil just seems odd to me.

 

[BatsDC]

A great way to bridge the Netflix stuff with the films would be to have Spidey beat up Turk Barrett. Think about it. There'd be some great dialogue there, he's great. t:

 

[MbJ]

Still a part of the same franchise and fictional universe, yah.

And they've been kept apart, yah.

Maria Hill is a hero to me. She just isn't an avenger. And...so is Sif. you're not convincing me of anything here.

I don't really need to convince you of anything because you haven't provided any evidence to support your argument about Spider-Man showing up.

And they're not heroes. They're supporting characters to the real heroes. There's been no Cap, Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Falcon, War Machine, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Guardians or Ant-Man appearances on the show. The Netflix shows so far haven't even had the appearances from the minor supporting players from the movies. The actual heroes have been kept clear of the shows thus far, and there's nothing to suggest that's changing.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Well, not really anything considering this is a public forum and any form of threat is quite frankly stupid.

We've just been trying to tell you not to get your hopes so insanely high and end up disappointed once again (like you did with O'Brien).

Well, I guess to that, all I can say is that I appreciate your concern but I'll be alright...I was disappointed that Dylan wasn't Spidey but I was also always saying for the longest time that the important thing is that Spidey is in the MCU.

But that's outside of the universe, that's the real world. In-universe, Kingpin operates in Manhattan, just like Spiderman. And they are supposed to cross paths because he's another of Spidey's rogues.

Yes, they're both under the MCU umbrella but they're under different sections of said umbrella. Daredevil is part of the MCU's Netflix series, which is more grounded and adult-orientated. Spider-Man is the big screen, which naturally caters to everyone.

There have been no plans thus far for any of the Netflix series characters to appear in a film or vice-versa. You use Agents of Shield as an example or minor characters from Thor or Avengers but that's exactly the point. Those characters can fit anywhere due to 'em being more-or-less human characters that don't need any specific kind of budget attached to 'em. You're wanting SPIDER-MAN to appear in Daredevil, which means any appearance he'd have would be quite costly, which I'm doubting they'd wanna do.

To add to my earlier point, they're two totally different characters in terms of tone. Daredevil is a much more grittier character in the MCU than Spider-Man and should they appear together, I can almost guarantee you'd have people B&M that it's tonally off due to the confliction.

Besides, Spidey and Daredevil always work best together when they're around the same age. Having a younger Spidey with an older Daredevil just seems odd to me.

The tone is not an excuse. While Kingpin and Daredevil do the dark things that they do, at the same somewhere out there is an anthropomorphic dancing tree, and a talking raccoon. That is the reality. A different "tone" will never change that unless they decide to actively separate the universes via retcon.

And they've been kept apart, yah.

For now. Just like in the past, Spidey was being kept separate from the MCU.

I don't really need to convince you of anything because you haven't provided any evidence to support your argument about Spider-Man showing up.

The evidence is the source material, which is obviously what the MCU is based on. If you don't really feel the need to convince me of anything then why are you bothering talking to me?

And they're not heroes. They're supporting characters to the real heroes.

they're heroes. them not being avengers doesn't change that.

There's been no Cap, Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Falcon, War Machine, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Guardians or Ant-Man appearances on the show. The Netflix shows so far haven't even had the appearances from the minor supporting players from the movies. The actual heroes have been kept clear of the shows thus far, and there's nothing to suggest that's changing.

and you think that's okay? if the story calls for it, it should happen. if there's no evidence for it now, there should be some in the future. this all began once Disney decided to chug out television shows and then decided to have them share continuity with the movies.

 

[PeterBenParker]

But that's outside of the universe, that's the real world. In-universe, Kingpin operates in Manhattan, just like Spiderman. And they are supposed to cross paths because he's another of Spidey's rogues.

No, they are not supposed to cross paths because it's not in the cards to cross paths at all. The MCU operates differently from the various comics and cartoons, so if they don't see a purpose in Kingpin and Spider-Man together, it simply won't be there. Does not matter if he's one of Spidey's rogues.

The tone is not an excuse. While Kingpin and Daredevil do the dark things that they do, at the same somewhere out there is an anthropomorphic dancing tree, and a talking raccoon. That is the reality. A different "tone" will never change that unless they decide to actively separate the universes via retcon.

Despite being in the same Universe overall, they are separate! They are sub-sections! That's what I mean by tone.

You have the Netflix side of things, you have the TV side of things and you have the movies. The Avengers films don't acknowledge the TV. TV acknowledges the movies. The Avengers films don't acknowledge Netflix. Netflix acknowledges the movies (by way of little things, such as "Battle of New York" clippings in their series' or small name drops).

See what I'm getting at here? Anything of wanting Spidey and Daredevil to crossover is just wishful thinking.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

No, they are not supposed to cross paths because it's not in the cards to cross paths at all. The MCU operates differently from the various comics and cartoons, so if they don't see a purpose in Kingpin and Spider-Man together, it simply won't be there. Does not matter if he's one of Spidey's rogues.

...they both operate out of NYC. once kingpin gets out of jail he's likely going to go back to hell's kitchen and continue doing what he's doing. so yes they absolutely are and should cross paths and if they don't, then all things considered, it won't make sense.

Despite being in the same Universe overall, they are separate! They are sub-sections! That's what I mean by tone.

I know what you mean by tone, what I'm saying is that that isn't an excuse. Even if they're subsections, they're not separate.

You have the Netflix side of things, you have the TV side of things and you have the movies. The Avengers films don't acknowledge the TV. TV acknowledges the movies.

and you think that's okay? that's definitely something worthy of criticism in my book.

The Avengers films don't acknowledge Netflix. Netflix acknowledges the movies (by way of little things, such as "Battle of New York" clippings in their series' or small name drops).

See what I'm getting at here? Anything of wanting Spidey and Daredevil to crossover is just wishful thinking.

of course I see what you're getting at. we've gotten there ever since this thread was created. and i'll continue to say that complicated hollywood bs breaks the organicity of what makes the MCU a highly successful franchise in the first place.

 

[MbJ]

The evidence is the source material, which is obviously what the MCU is based on.

And I will say yet again, if that were the case, we would've gotten Paul Rudd doing a guest arc in Jessica Jones as Scott Lang, Jessica's new boyfriend. We didn't. Hank Pym built Ultron in the comics. In the movie, he didn't. In the comics, Ant-Man and the Wasp were founding Avengers. In the movies, they aren't, and had their spots taken by Black Widow and Hawkeye. I could go on and on about all the ways the MCU differs from the comics. It could fill a book.

Saying "it's in the source material" doesn't mean squat, when as Marvel just proved with the massive success of Civil War, they don't follow the source material to the letter.

That's what this is about. There is nothing to indicate Spider-Man will be in Daredevil (and there is in fact plenty of evidence against it) other than you saying "Because the comics!", which doesn't mean anything.

and you think that's okay?

Of course I do. There is nothing in Daredevil that made me say "This show is crap because Spider-Man isn't in it!" just like most people didn't care that the Agents of SHIELD and the Defenders weren't in Civil War.

they're heroes.

They're not. They're supporting characters to the heroes. I don't know what is so confusing about that. They have more freedom to deal with these characters because they aren't heroes and aren't as important to the franchise. Nick Fury, the only one you could really classify as "important", hasn't shown up on the shows since Season 1 of Agents of SHIELD.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

And I will say yet again, if that were the case, we would've gotten Paul Rudd doing a guest arc in Jessica Jones as Scott Lang, Jessica's new boyfriend. We didn't. Hank Pym built Ultron in the comics. In the movie, he didn't. In the comics, Ant-Man and the Wasp were founding Avengers. In the movies, they aren't, and had their spots taken by Black Widow and Hawkeye. I could go on and on about all the ways the MCU differs from the comics. It could fill a book.

You can do that all day if you want. I don't really care. Who knows if we could see that in the future; I know you don't. And if you do, show me your crystal ball. I'd rather see for myself than take your word for it. Furthermore, I think kingpin being one of spiderman's rogues is a much bigger relationship in the marvel universe than jessica jones x antman.

Saying "it's in the source material" doesn't mean squat,

uhh, what? there would not be an MCU if there wasn't a marvel comics universe to begin with.

when as Marvel just proved with the massive success of Civil War, they don't follow the source material to the letter.

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, what? there would not have been a concept for a civil war film had there not been a civil war comic in the first place. civil war the comic is a massive crossover story involving a conflict between captain america and iron man, forming two different superhero teams. that literally describes the premise of the movie too.

That's what this is about. There is nothing to indicate Spider-Man will be in Daredevil (and there is in fact plenty of evidence against it) other than you saying "Because the comics!", which doesn't mean anything.

I don't care if it doesn't mean anything to you. It does to me, and you're not convincing me otherwise. there also was one unofficial spiderman easter egg in daredevil season 1.

Of course I do.

I don't.

There is nothing in Daredevil that made me say "This show is crap because Spider-Man isn't in it!"

now you're just exaggerating because I never said anything like that. The only things I ever suggested was a Peter Parker cameo in daredevil. and even if that weren't to happen then fine - but if the REASON why it's not supposed to happen is because of some stupid hollywood bs, then it's just that to me; bs.

just like most people didn't care that the Agents of SHIELD and the Defenders weren't in Civil War.

well i'm not "most people". although I enjoyed cap3, it was a disappointment for me.

They're not.

They are.

They're supporting characters to the heroes.

they are supporting characters who just happen to also be heroes themselves. i'd say hawkeye's family's just a bunch of supporting characters that aren't heroes, for example.

I don't know what is so confusing about that.

lol, nobody is confused here unless you're trying to stir some confusion.

They have more freedom to deal with these characters because they aren't heroes and aren't as important to the franchise.

they are heroes. some of them just aren't superheroes. you're not gonna convince me otherwise no matter how many times you say it. but you can say it as much as you want.

Nick Fury, the only one you could really classify as "important", hasn't shown up on the shows since Season 1 of Agents of SHIELD.

Maria Hill and Sif showed up. That's more than nothing.

 

[MyDudeSpidey]

I don't see Spidey and Daredevil/Kingpin crossing paths any time soon. The MCU and Marvel TV are pretty much seperate from each other right now. IIRC, Charlie Cox even said that if DD were to appear in Infinity War, they might hire a different actor to play him..it's a whole complicated thing. Especially after what went down between Feige and Perlmutter. So no, as much as I would love for that to happen, I don't see it. And it wouldn't even make sense tonally tbh.

 

[MbJ]

You can do that all day if you want. I don't really care.

Yet here you are.

uhh, what? there would not be an MCU if there wasn't a marvel comics universe to begin with. UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, what? there would not have been a concept for a civil war film had there not been a civil war comic in the first place. civil war the comic is a massive crossover story involving a conflict between captain america and iron man, forming two different superhero teams. that literally describes the premise of the movie too.

UHHHHHHHHHH did you see the movies? They changed a ton of stuff. That's the point. The only argument you can make about why Spider-Man will be in Daredevil is "it's something that happens in the comics." Clearly Marvel isn't overly concerned with that.

I don't care if it doesn't mean anything to you. It does to me, and you're not convincing me otherwise.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm saying it won't happen. Which it won't.

you're not gonna convince me otherwise no matter how many times you say it. but you can say it as much as you want.

That's nice. I don't need to convince you though, because it's not gonna happen. That's the point. They put some minor support characters in the shows. Not the heroes themselves. Spider-Man will not be in Daredevil Season 3. Just like Ant-Man wasn't in Jessica Jones. Just like the Agents of SHIELD and the Netflix heroes weren't in Civil War.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Yet here you are.

Yep, here I am. Responding in my own thread. If you're here giving responses, I'll continue to be here to respond back. Although you didn't respond to my question of: If you don't really feel the need to convince me of anything then why are you bothering talking to me?

UHHHHHHHHHH did you see the movies? They changed a ton of stuff. That's the point.

UHHHH yes I did. MY point is that the comics are a basis for all the things that happen in the movies. hence, all the films start with "based on the comic series of the same name". they may have changed stuff, but there wouldn't have been existing stuff to change if the comics weren't even there in the first place.

The only argument you can make about why Spider-Man will be in Daredevil is "it's something that happens in the comics." Clearly Marvel isn't overly concerned with that.

And as far as I'm concerned, it is a logical argument. and spiderman still belongs to sony. disney doesn't have total jurisdiction over the character. homecoming is still a sony's pictures film.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm saying it won't happen. Which it won't.

you just contradicted yourself. unless you're intentionally wasting you're time. you've said again that it won't happen and i've asked again and again for your crystal ball because no matter how many times you say it, I'm not convinced that the future is set in stone like that.

That's nice. I don't need to convince you though, because it's not gonna happen.

wellllll then once again, what are you doing here? are you intentionally wasting your time? coz you end with "it's not gonna happen" - you're saying that to me and it's not convincing me. so what is your mission objective, your modus operandi in all these posts directed to me here?

That's the point.

what point?

They put some minor support characters in the shows. Not the heroes themselves.

you're just playing with semantics now. Sif and Hill are heroes. maybe not superheroes but they certainly are heroes, aids to the superheroes.

Spider-Man will not be in Daredevil Season 3. Just like Ant-Man wasn't in Jessica Jones. Just like the Agents of SHIELD and the Netflix heroes weren't in Civil War.

just like Spiderman was not gonna be in the MCU right? once more: show me your crystal ball. i'm not gonna take your word for it. i'd like to see the future for myself. and I said I wanted peter parker in daredevil, not spiderman.

 

[MyDudeSpidey]

No offense, XtremelyBaneful, but you kinda have a reputation for latching onto things that probably won't ever happen or at least have very little chance of happening. I'm pretty sure you were still hoping for Dylan O'Brien to be cast as Spidey even after Tom was announced...

 

[BatsDC]

I wouldn't get your hopes up, man. There'd be even less reason for Peter to be in DD than Spidey.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

No offense, XtremelyBaneful, but you kinda have a reputation for latching onto things that probably won't ever happen or at least have very little chance of happening.

I don't take offense of that. But I also don't see a reason for some to be on the offensive to me because of it (not speaking about you, just in general)

I'm pretty sure you were still hoping for Dylan O'Brien to be cast as Spidey even after Tom was announced...

na...I don't know about that. I was pretty bummed out by the time the news was announced, officially. However, the last thing I "latched onto" that people had discussed with me saying probably won't happen, actually happened.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=508883

 

[MbJ]

UHHHH yes I did. MY point is that the comics are a basis for all the things that happen in the movies. hence, all the films start with "based on the comic series of the same name". they may have changed stuff, but there wouldn't have been existing stuff to change if the comics weren't even there in the first place.

That means virtually nothing in the context of which we're discussing. I said they change stuff from the comics all the time. Which they do. And will continue do so. Saying "it's the source material" is like saying the sky is blue.

And as far as I'm concerned, it is a logical argument.

It would be if Marvel was making 100 percent adaptations, but they aren't.

just like Spiderman was not gonna be in the MCU right?

Nah, just like the Netflix heroes were gonna be in Civil War. Just like the Agents of SHIELD were gonna be in Age of Ultron.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I wouldn't get your hopes up, man. There'd be even less reason for Peter to be in DD than Spidey.

if they want to do it they could find a sensible reason for it to work.

hell, i've seen people saying that spiderman's part in cap3 felt shoehorned.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

That means virtually nothing in the context of which we're discussing. I said they change stuff from the comics all the time. Which they do. And will continue do so.

It has everything to do with the context of what we're discussing. It's the goddamn foundation of it actually. None of this, the MCU stuff would've ever come to fruition in the wildest dreams of any superhero fan if there weren't marvel comics in the first place.

It would be if Marvel was making 100 percent adaptations, but they aren't.

what? no, it doesn't have to be 100%...daredevil the show isn't even a 100% adaptation yet they obviously adapted the fact that kingpin is daredevil's rogue. as he also is for spiderman.

Nah, just like the Netflix heroes were gonna be in Civil War. Just like the Agents of SHIELD were gonna be in Age of Ultron.

I never expected nor cared for shield agents to be in av2 and i already told you cap3 was a disappointment to me despite still being entertaining, but there you go again avoiding my point.