The Amazing Spider-Man 2 SPOILERS Uncle Bens's killer?

[Supa]

Something that occurred to me out of the blue. Peter's still looking for the guy that shot Uncle Ben, as established at the end of TASM1. They spent a lot of time of the movie establishing the guy, and the whole tattoo thing as well. So I figured eventually, Peter's gonna come across a guy with a blue star tattoo, but then I had a crazy thought...

What if Uncle Ben's killer is actually Gustav Fiers, the shady guy working with Harry at the end of the movie? Think about it, they're awfully secretive about who he is. We never see the front of him, or see him in a clear light. To keep him mysterious, or to hide the twist?

As for why he'd be a mugger, when he seems to have power at Oscorp? Perhaps the mugging was staged, simply because Peter was there. They were already looking for Richard, and since he's gone, they decided to move in on Peter, using a robbery to get close to him somehow, and talk. When Peter didn't stop him, he decided to kill Ben, figuring it would force Peter into looking for him instead.

It's just a theory though. What do you think? Any chance Fiers rolls back his sleeve in one of the sequels to reveal a star?

 

[webhead731]

It is Doc Ock. That is why he is wearing the shades.

 

[Hurm...]

I wouldn't put it past them. At this point, nothing will surprise me.

 

[AnneFan]

Could be something for TASM3. The series will go on, but I'd like to have this as a trilogy of sorts.

It could be Peter stopping a routine crime and notices the tattoo. You usually find what you're looking for when you least expect it. A link to the past - would be interesting to see how he reacts.

 

[Spooderman]

Obviously he's Flint Marko

 

[jonathancrane]

I'd prefer they drop the tattooed killer plotline.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I'd prefer they drop the tattooed killer plotline.

you'd prefer peter just forgets about finding ben's killer?

 

[Visualiza]

Heh. I think it's clear by Peter's irreverence in this movie that Uncle Ben, and everything surrounding his death, has been dropped like a bad habit. And this is supposed to be the idyllic adaptation of Spider-Man...comic faithful to the bone.

What if Uncle Ben's killer is actually Gustav Fiers, the shady guy working with Harry at the end of the movie? Think about it, they're awfully secretive about who he is. We never see the front of him, or see him in a clear light. To keep him mysterious, or to hide the twist?

As for why he'd be a mugger, when he seems to have power at Oscorp? Perhaps the mugging was staged, simply because Peter was there. They were already looking for Richard, and since he's gone, they decided to move in on Peter, using a robbery to get close to him somehow, and talk. When Peter didn't stop him, he decided to kill Ben, figuring it would force Peter into looking for him instead.

It's just a theory though. What do you think? Any chance Fiers rolls back his sleeve in one of the sequels to reveal a star?

Not only would that be a more embarrassingly bad retcon than Sandman, but it doesn't make sense considering what we do know.

We know what the killer looks and sounds like.

We also know that he was just haphazardly robbing a store clerk, so the idea that he could orchestrate such a coincidental plot all so he could kill Uncle Ben is a bit hokey. He would have to have precognitive abilities to even know that either of them would be there at that time, which was a spur of the moment occurrence due to their little tussle beforehand.

I think we can put this theory to bed.

 

[Par Avion]

you'd prefer peter just forgets about finding ben's killer?

Thematically, there's really no point. Peter (supposedly) learned about responsibility from his uncles death in TASM. He knows that the guy he let go is the guy who killed Ben. Catching the guy now (after an entire film gone by bearing only a passing mention of the poor guy), would be totally pointless. What more would Peter learn at this point?

It's a pointless twist on the original story to differentiate itself from the previous series...

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Something that occurred to me out of the blue. Peter's still looking for the guy that shot Uncle Ben, as established at the end of TASM1. They spent a lot of time of the movie establishing the guy, and the whole tattoo thing as well. So I figured eventually, Peter's gonna come across a guy with a blue star tattoo, but then I had a crazy thought...

What if Uncle Ben's killer is actually Gustav Fiers, the shady guy working with Harry at the end of the movie? Think about it, they're awfully secretive about who he is. We never see the front of him, or see him in a clear light. To keep him mysterious, or to hide the twist?

As for why he'd be a mugger, when he seems to have power at Oscorp? Perhaps the mugging was staged, simply because Peter was there. They were already looking for Richard, and since he's gone, they decided to move in on Peter, using a robbery to get close to him somehow, and talk. When Peter didn't stop him, he decided to kill Ben, figuring it would force Peter into looking for him instead.

It's just a theory though. What do you think? Any chance Fiers rolls back his sleeve in one of the sequels to reveal a star?

sorry but nope. this was clearly never their intention and never will be

it obviously is a random crook just like in the comics. Gustav Fiers is too big of a player for these kind of shenanigans

 

[The Guard]

I think the idea is that he found something else to be his focus and his "penance" for failing Uncle Ben. He may run into the killer later on, but he may well not. They've left it open, just like in real life.

 

[JOE]

It's Beck, for sure.

 

[jonathancrane]

you'd prefer peter just forgets about finding ben's killer?

I was never fond of the plot-line, as it will end with:

a) the killer turning into a super-villain, which has been done before (Batman 89, Sm3).
b) the killer working for a villain (Batman Begins)
c) turning out to be a regular criminal...which is fine by itself, but considering all the seeds that were planted in ASM2, the film does not need to be derailed with the plotline. I like the true-crime shading of Peter never being able to find him.

If they have to use him, I'd prefer they not go past five minutes in resolving the issue. Maybe have it be the opening or something; considering all of the plotlines that have to be handled in ASM3 and the Sinister Six, the films are already stuffed with stories threads to be resolved; there's no need elongating a strand that does not need to be elongated.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

As much as I don't want Sony to turn him into some supervillain, I could see him being Shocker or one of the Enforcers like Montana (minus the lasso)....

Or he could secretly be Chameleon, the real Cash Register Thief died months ago before Uncle Ben's death, and Chameleon took his appearance in order to pull off robberies. But it just so happens that he ran into Uncle Ben.

The last final theory I have is that he works for The Kingpin, Tombstone, or the Big Man, and we'll see another opening introduction where Peter finally catches him ala "ASM2" with Spider-Man thwarting Alexi and the Russian mob.

 

[JOE]

Him finding Ben's killer works perfectly for TASM 3... But only if they introduce the symbiote. It's perfect for when he's had the suit for a bit after beating the Sinister 6 with it, and seeing the dangers of it by beating this guy to the point of death before forcing himself to stop. He'll see how dangerous the suit is, and how it builds on his anger and that's how he'll get rid of it.

 

[Spiderine]

Heh. I think it's clear by Peter's irreverence in this movie that Uncle Ben, and everything surrounding his death, has been dropped like a bad habit. And this is supposed to be the idyllic adaptation of Spider-Man...comic faithful to the bone.



Not only would that be a more embarrassingly bad retcon than Sandman, but it doesn't make sense considering what we do know.

We know what the killer looks and sounds like.

We also know that he was just haphazardly robbing a store clerk, so the idea that he could orchestrate such a coincidental plot all so he could kill Uncle Ben is a bit hokey. He would have to have precognitive abilities to even know that either of them would be there at that time, which was a spur of the moment occurrence due to their little tussle beforehand.

I think we can put this theory to bed.

The Uncle Ben subplot was a major part of the first movie and it was totally ignored. As a matter a fact I completely forgot all about it. It contributed to him becoming Spiderman. No mention of Peter still trying to find that killer because this film picked up the other useless subplot of his parents death and using his dads special blood to link Peter and the Osborns. Which totally negates the random guy being bit by a Spider aspect in the Spidey mythos.

I guess Sony would just revisit it in ASM4. Since they thought they had an enormous hit to establish this universe and this will all go on forever.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I think Spider-Man will come across the killer again and that will be a test of responsibility. Does he finally get the revenge he wanted or does he just take him in to the authorities?

 

[Par Avion]

^ But he already supposedly learned that in TASM after his exchange with Capt. Stacy and his revelation that using his gift was about serving his fellow human beings, rather than for selfish reasons.

 

[Spiderine]

And it was furthered explained at the end of the film in Uncle Ben's voice mail to Peter.

 

[Picard Sisko]

True, but now it would be nice to revisit the story with Uncle Ben's killer. I say that it would be cool to have him connected to Black Cat like in TSSM.

Honestly, at the end of TASM1, Uncle Ben's voicemail is talking about "unresolved things" while the camera pans over the wanted poster. They're not done with his story.

 

[Dominikkus]

I would love for that kind of a twist to happen in the movies. After seeing TASM2 though, I wouldn't be surprised if they incorporated Uncle Ben's killer in anyway in the third movie. In fact, I really hope that they do place him somewhere in the movie with a somewhat important role.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I really do believe that they left the Uncle Ben's killer storyline unresolved purposely to bring him back for future movies.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Fiers stealing beer

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

No one going with the Kassidy Card?

 

[OriginalMiles]

They should just have him be part of TASM3, but if the theme is letting go, have it at the end.