Superman Returns SR Sequel: $200 million or else!?

[matrix_ghost]

The box office numbers for Switzerland, Finland, Italy, Hong Kong and Germany haven't been added to the international total so i think it will pass 400 million.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=superman06.htm

You can forget Italy. POTC 2 opened there massive putting it back to the top spot.
It is displaying the same chugging power that it has domestic , but i think it's a real stretch it it hits 400 million. Many theaters are stopping with showings and i think only IMAX theatres are still showing it.

 

[Retroman]

^I hope so, I thought it would do well overseas though.

Those darn Pirates looted everything everywhere.Warner Bros is lucky Disney didn't release POTC2 in IMAX as well.

You can forget Italy. POTC 2 opened there massive putting it back to the top spot.
It is displaying the same chugging power that it has domestic , but i think it's a real stretch it it hits 400 million. Many theaters are stopping with showings and i think only IMAX theatres are still showing it.

Inspite of this i remain optimistic the target can be reached.Someone needs to be.t:

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^ I personally cant believe the money POTC2 has made, i mean i thought it was a good movie, but it was nothing special, and IMO not even as good as the first. Not the movie i thought would be breaking records left right and centre.

 

[matrix_ghost]

As someone who has seen both Pirates and SR 4 times ( yes , i saw SR 4 times ..cause the last 2 times somebody else bought my ticket ) i can tell you that i enjoyed POTC more.

It doesn't drag like SR does. I could smile everytime i saw the cannibel tribe sequence and i do think that all the characters act rather nicely.
And it's fun. Nothing more...just fun. It expands on the second pirates movie but still retains the charm of the first one. I can fully understand why it made soo much

And yeah Retro. You're Right. If Pirates was released in IMAX , SR would be obliterated.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well with me, as soon as i saw SR for the first time, i had the urge to see it again multiple times, with POTC 2, i was willing to wait for the DVD to see it again, that says it all for me.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

POTC2 on IMAX would've been friggien awesome.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I understand why POTC2 is making so much money. It's a fun movie with a fantasic, soon to be classic character, hot guys and it was the one of the only interesting looking movies (I loved Telladega Nights BTW) that was released in the mid summer movie season. The movie gave people exactly what they want in the summer. I think people are tired of self important looking (because I haven't seen the movie yet!) movies like Superman Returns.

What happen to having fun in the summer? I for one am somewhat glad hollywood is having some trouble. (that has been completely overblown by the media)

Movies can be smart and fun but I haven't been seeing the fun for the last couple of years.

I want them to keep these suppose art house directors away from Superhero movies or movies that should be fun.

So to sum it all up I'll say:

SR is only going to gross about 200mil in the U.S because it's previews were bad and very boring and it opened a week before a movie with better previews and bigger actors. (not too sure about the later but it's a huge possibilty)

SR is going to gross about 195ish overseas for the same reasons and because it had bad legs after moderate openings, which is different in the U.S where it seems to have decent legs.

POTC2 is going to gross 422mil-ish in the U.S because, like all movies that gross that much, it was the right movie at the right time, it was a sequel to a beloved hit that crated a classic character and it had great exciting previews and I could be wrong, but people seem to generally like it.

POTC2 is going to gross (Uh I'm not really good and predicting final overseas totals, so bare with be) 650+mill overseas for the same reasons.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Superman Returns looks "self important"? I'd love to see you try and explain that one instead of taking another opportunity to fling some vague insult at a movie you haven't even seen.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Superman Returns looks "self important"? I'd love to see you try and explain that one instead of taking another opportunity to fling some vague insult at a movie you haven't even seen.

Actually I've made no secret of my dislike of Singer's handling of the action adventure genre. I will take a shot at him everytime I get the chance to. Superman Returns does look self important and I for one am glad to see the suppose "next Speilberg" get some flack for his nack for ignoring excitement and fun.

I repete, I have not, and will not hide my dislike of his handling of action adventure films...like say...X-Men 1 and 2. And I am happy to see him brought down a few pegs after the ridiculously overrated (on the internet) X-Men movies. I hope he never touches another property that I enjoy again. I'm not saying that he isn't a nice guy or that I want him dead or anything and I know it is quite a bit silly to be annoyed this much about movies... but I am.

And watch the previews if you want to see what I'm talking about.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

So how does it look self-important? You never explained that. I've seen ALL of the previews, and in fact the MOVIE, but nothing at all hints at being self-important. You want to see self important, watch the preview of "All the King's Men". You'll see how incorrectly you used that phrase. Any comic book movie fan should know that those movies place stronger emphasis on the main character than other types of genres, but that's because that is what attracts the fans and what the movie is about. But that isn't self-importance.

And someone doesn't have to have a "nack" for excitement and fun to be a good filmmaker. Direction has as far as I've seen has NEVER been a point of criticism for Superman Returns, merely the story and how the character of Superman is handled (too pessimistic).

I was disappointed with SR, and I would say it was merely a good movie, not great. There are moments of genius in that film that no other comic book movie --especially the unmemorable Spider-Man movies -- have duplicated, but unfortunately those moments are few and far between for me, and the plot holes are something else that brings the movie down.

But you know, like I've said before, you might actually try and see the film? It would give your arguments some actual validity.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

So how does it look self-important? You never explained that. I've seen ALL of the previews, and in fact the MOVIE, but nothing at all hints at being self-important. You want to see self important, watch the preview of "All the King's Men". You'll see how incorrectly you used that phrase. Any comic book movie fan should know that those movies place stronger emphasis on the main character than other types of genres, but that's because that is what attracts the fans and what the movie is about. But that isn't self-importance.

And someone doesn't have to have a "nack" for excitement and fun to be a good filmmaker. Direction has as far as I've seen has NEVER been a point of criticism for Superman Returns, merely the story and how the character of Superman is handled (too pessimistic).

I was disappointed with SR, and I would say it was merely a good movie, not great. There are moments of genius in that film that no other comic book movie --especially the unmemorable Spider-Man movies -- have duplicated, but unfortunately those moments are few and far between for me, and the plot holes are something else that brings the movie down.

But you know, like I've said before, you might actually try and see the film? It would give your arguments some actual validity.

What arguements! I said that it looked self important and it does. And I noticed your little dig at the Spider-Man movies, which have absolutely nothing to to with this converstation.

BTW: I can't wait for SM3 to come out, it looks great and good luck on that Superman sequel, maybe you'll be seeing it before 2015.

 

[NateGray]

Actually I've made no secret of my dislike of Singer's handling of the action adventure genre. I will take a shot at him everytime I get the chance to. Superman Returns does look self important and I for one am glad to see the suppose "next Speilberg" get some flack for his nack for ignoring excitement and fun.

I repete, I have not, and will not hide my dislike of his handling of action adventure films...like say...X-Men 1 and 2. And I am happy to see him brought down a few pegs after the ridiculously overrated (on the internet) X-Men movies. I hope he never touches another property that I enjoy again. I'm not saying that he isn't a nice guy or that I want him dead or anything and I know it is quite a bit silly to be annoyed this much about movies... but I am.

And watch the previews if you want to see what I'm talking about.

I agreee and wish we had gotten someone like Peter Jackson, Sam Rami or James Cameron etc etc to do the X men movies.
While Singer is not a bad director and is an excellent drama/suspence director I have alway felt he was a terrible action director and just cannot seem to mesh action with drama/suspence very well IMO.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I agreee and wish we had gotten someone like Peter Jackson, Sam Rami or James Cameron etc etc to do the X men movies.
While Singer is not a bad director and is an excellent drama/suspence director I have alway felt he was a terrible action director and just cannot seem to mesh action with drama/suspence very well IMO.

Thing is even if I like SR, that still doesn't take away from my disappointment of the X-Men movies. It's because of those movies that I was hoping and waiting, not for Superman to go down, but for any big budget movie of Singers to stall, so he can never touch any of these type of movies again...okay, okay for a long time. Alas I fear that he is going to get his hands on another big budget movie, namely Superman Returns 2. I suspect the budget wont be any less than 175mil.

Good for him, bad for me.

 

[Pickle-El]

I understand why POTC2 is making so much money. It's a fun movie with a fantasic, soon to be classic character, hot guys and it was the one of the only interesting looking movies (I loved Telladega Nights BTW) that was released in the mid summer movie season. The movie gave people exactly what they want in the summer. I think people are tired of self important looking (because I haven't seen themovie yet!) movies like Superman Returns.

I love this type of argument....So, budget aside. Telladega nights was a more popular movie with the American and Overseas audience than Superman Returns? More people were psyched for TN and DWP, and Click......Or, was it just that because you actually saw the film and enjoyed it, and you're throwing the budget in there to try and skew numbers in regards to how many people actually saw SR?

No matter what some of you say, 25 Million people seeing SR in the U.S. is a good start. There's some real potential there.....

What happen to having fun in the summer? I for one am somewhat glad hollywood is having some trouble. (that has been completely overblown by the media)

Hollywood is in the midst of a schitzo phase...they don't know what kind of movie should be made right now...new franchises? Sequels? Actions films? Realism and action? One-off films? Comedies? Who's our summer audience? So far, Pirates was the only one that really hit all demos. SR wasn't the only miss.

Movies can be smart and fun but I haven't been seeing the fun for the last couple of years.

I want them to keep these suppose art house directors away from Superhero movies or movies that should be fun.

All of these movies are like this.....some are simply 'lighter' than others. SR was more in tone to Batman Begins and Spiderman than The Fantastic Four. As you know...oh what, I mean, as you've heard by now.

So to sum it all up I'll say:

SR is only going to gross about 200mil in the U.S because it's previews were bad and very boring and it opened a week before a movie with better previews and bigger actors. (not too sure about the later but it's a huge possibilty)

Can't say I agree with the first part there.....there's no telling where SR would be right now if POTC2 didn't SMASH every single record in the book. You're talking about the biggest movie since Return Of The King....possibly Titanic.

SR is going to gross about 195ish overseas for the same reasons and because it had bad legs after moderate openings, which is different in the U.S where it seems to have decent legs.

I expected more overseas than domestic to be honest.....

POTC2 is going to gross 422mil-ish in the U.S because, like all movies that gross that much, it was the right movie at the right time, it was a sequel to a beloved hit that crated a classic character and it had great exciting previews and I could be wrong, but people seem to generally like it.

It's the most well-liked movie of the past 3 years if you're going by box office numbers......

POTC2 is going to gross (Uh I'm not really good and predicting final overseas totals, so bare with be) 650+mill overseas for the same reasons.

That's nice. You'll be getting a sequel that will likely smash everyone next summer as well. Hope you enjoy the 3rd movie.

 

[JBElliott]

SR won't break $200M in the US and might not break $400M world wide. Pretty pathetic.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

What arguements! I said that it looked self important and it does.

Exactly...WHAT arguments. You don't really have one because arguments usually contain points to reinforce them. You can keep repeating that you think SR looks self-important, but if you don't actually explain WHY, its hard to take you seriously.

And I noticed your little dig at the Spider-Man movies, which have absolutely nothing to to with this converstation.

Sure they do. Spider-Man and Superman movies are both movies based on comic books and characters that are the most popular of comic book heroes. Spider-Man movies also happen to be the most successful set of comic book movies, so comparisons in performance and loyalty to source and all of that other stuff is quite valid.

BTW: I can't wait for SM3 to come out, it looks great and good luck on that Superman sequel, maybe you'll be seeing it before 2015.

Well, I look forward to any comic book movie that looks good, not just the ones who are directed by someone I don't happen to hate.

 

[buggs0268]

Actually I've made no secret of my dislike of Singer's handling of the action adventure genre. I will take a shot at him everytime I get the chance to. Superman Returns does look self important and I for one am glad to see the suppose "next Speilberg" get some flack for his nack for ignoring excitement and fun.

I repete, I have not, and will not hide my dislike of his handling of action adventure films...like say...X-Men 1 and 2. And I am happy to see him brought down a few pegs after the ridiculously overrated (on the internet) X-Men movies. I hope he never touches another property that I enjoy again. I'm not saying that he isn't a nice guy or that I want him dead or anything and I know it is quite a bit silly to be annoyed this much about movies... but I am.

And watch the previews if you want to see what I'm talking about.

Singer is no next Spielberg and will never be of his calibre.

 

[buggs0268]

The difference between this films legs and STM's legs is that STM was at the number one spot for 13 weeks, that is, if SR had had that same success, it would still be in the number 1 spot right now, and would only leave that spot next week. It had made over 300 million dollars, and was only 1 of a few films pre 1980 to do so.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Thing is even if I like SR, that still doesn't take away from my disappointment of the X-Men movies. It's because of those movies that I was hoping and waiting, not for Superman to go down, but for any big budget movie of Singers to stall, so he can never touch any of these type of movies again...okay, okay for a long time. Alas I fear that he is going to get his hands on another big budget movie, namely Superman Returns 2. I suspect the budget wont be any less than 175mil.

Good for him, bad for me.

How the hell can you say anything about SR if you havent seen it, previews are hardly a measure of a movies quality, i mean the previews for X3 were great, but the movie was poor, same with The Phantom Menace and Underworld.

And no matter what your opinion of Singer's X-Movies are, they are far better than X3.

 

[NateGray]

How the hell can you say anything about SR if you havent seen it, previews are hardly a measure of a movies quality, i mean the previews for X3 were great, but the movie was poor, same with The Phantom Menace and Underworld.

And no matter what your opinion of Singer's X-Movies are, they are far better than X3.

Umm all this tripe is YOUR OPINION not fact.
Many people liked PM probably more than SR get over it just because you do not like something do not speak like your opinion is the majority.


As for X3 sucking compared to X1 and X2 again let me clarify IN YOUR OPINION again stop posting your opinion as the general concious as its not and in fact its not even close kktnx.

 

[KaptainKrypton]

Umm all this tripe is YOUR OPINION not fact.
Many people liked PM probably more than SR get over it just because you do not like something do not speak like your opinion is the majority.


As for X3 sucking compared to X1 and X2 again let me clarify IN YOUR OPINION again stop posting your opinion as the general concious as its not and in fact its not even close kktnx.

Many people liked PM more than SR? This is why there were Jar-Jar hate websites. Because that film was so revered. Sure, this fella may have a problem posting his opinion as factual info, but he's probably not too far off base with most of his comments in regards to the general concensus when it comes to people enjoying Ep 1 and X3.

 

[NateGray]

Many people liked PM more than SR? This is why there were Jar-Jar hate websites. Because that film was so revered. Sure, this fella may have a problem posting his opinion as factual info, but he's probably not too far off base with most of his comments in regards to the general concensus when it comes to people enjoying Ep 1 and X3.

Ummm yes and facts back up my comment that many more people liked PM than SR its real simple math really nearly 1 billion dollar movie vs one that is struggling to break 400 million.
What next all those people who saw PM didn't like it???? So umm why did it make nearly 1 billion dollars if it was as bad as you and him are saing it was????
Maybe because even though it had some bad parts kinda like SR it had more good parts than bad so people liked it and just because people on internet boards bash it is a joke because they are what maybe 5-10% of the movie going audience?
Just because a movie does not get criticaly accliamed does not mean people dislike it any more than if it is criticaly accliamed means people like it.
And liking movies like PM does not make people stupid as I know thats the next comment someone is going to make, It just means they like certain movies for just entertainment and no one is to judge why another person likes or dislikes a movie that is for each indivual to decide.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

How the hell can you say anything about SR if you havent seen it, previews are hardly a measure of a movies quality, i mean the previews for X3 were great, but the movie was poor, same with The Phantom Menace and Underworld.

And no matter what your opinion of Singer's X-Movies are, they are far better than X3.

The second one is a bit better to "me" but the first one is on par with X3.

The Phantom Menace's previews never looked very special to me and Underworlds previews were good but honestly you would have to be a fool to think that that movie was going to be great.

Why can't you people deal with the fact that I dislike Superman Returns previews? And obviously enough people didn't care about them either because the 204 million dollar production isn't going to make it's budget back in the U.S.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Why can't you people deal with the fact that I dislike Superman Returns previews?

Just read that and think about how silly it sounds. You spend all your time on this board because you hate the previews?? Very lol. t: The smart thing to do would be to actually...umm....I dunno....maybe like....ummm SEE THE MOVIE?

Its obvious you are so biased that even if you saw the movie and liked it, you would never turn your opinion because you don't want to come off as wrong. So why even bother anymore?

 

[dark_b]

I SEE SPIDEY always comments on something and then at the end he writtes that he hasnt watched the movie.