SR vs X3

[SolidSnakeMGS]

You are the only one who thinks that I am a Troll and I could care less rather you are surprised or not. You don't seem to respect anyone's opinion so look whos talking. I think that X3 is no worse than X-Men but worse than X2 and I think that SR and X3 are basically tied so I can't pick which was better until I see the films again.

P.S Get over me.

Funny you mention respecting anyone's opinion. It really is. Who said they were going to stalk me because I said Singer was a better director than Raimi?

 

[Darth Elektra]

Superman Returns was much better than X3.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Funny you mention respecting anyone's opinion. It really is. Who said they were going to stalk me because I said Singer was a better director than Raimi?

Buddy, that is your opinion, and that is cool, but I would have to disagree like crazy

A. Because I don't really like Singers version of the Xmen, or Superman

B. I really like the Spiderman movies

C. (Most importantly) Evil Dead Trilogy is fantastic

 

[HighVoltage]

I think that's a pretty good summation,SR while flawed in parts characterization-wise and lacking a bit pace it was strong in the quality of the sets,acting,story and character interaction IMO

X3 felt like a video game to me

All these threads about X-MEN 3 and Fantastic 4 vs Superman Returns and Batman Begins are useless.

Why Dc fans don´t understand?

Movie goers loves X-Movies and The Fantastic 4 Movie, Batman and Superman are not important for the people, because these 2 characters are 2 dimensional, without real problems, and with villains with chessy plans.

Look at X-Men Movies and Fantastic 4 Movie, these characters are living in real life, in present day, with people living with Pcs, Ipods,mp3, Internet, Playstation 3, X-Box 360 and Wii t:, in this day, in this era, with problems like normal people, in comparison look at Dc Movies, Batman in Begins is facing villains from Al Capone´s era, this is a New Century, we are not living in the 30's or 40's or 50's, take a look with Batman´s car, the movie is about a man with a bullet proof car, a car with cameras, computer with files, with high speed, but in these days, everyone has a car similar o better than Batman´s, look the shows like Pimp My Ride, Overhaulin, American Chopper, normal people can buy a car with better technology, in comparison Batman and his Batmobile look like a fantasy out of time.

This is the same thing with Superman in Returns, the whole movie is so Retro, because that movie is like 50´s meets 70's, with a villian like Lex Luthor, with a menace so cheesy, that even Doctor Evil in Austin Powers Movies or The Brain From Animaniacs have better plans to conquer the world.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Buddy, that is your opinion, and that is cool, but I would have to disagree like crazy

A. Because I don't really like Singers version of the Xmen, or Superman

B. I really like the Spiderman movies

C. (Most importantly) Evil Dead Trilogy is fantastic

Well, Usual Suspects is better than any of those movies, and showed his true directing skills. Very few people argue that the X-Men movies are bad (except for X3) but when they do, its more of a fault with the writing than the direction. The X-Men movies (again, except for X3) have top notch production values, excellent acting, and terrific cinematography, which is mostly the director at work.

I am not saying Raimi is a bad director, he just isn't anywhere close to Singer technically. He's more of a fun director whereas Singer deals with more serious themes.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I actually disagree with some of SS's post and everything in the other mind shattering post before it but I'm uploading Kate Hudson pics and drinking orange juice,i may reply latert:

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Funny you mention respecting anyone's opinion. It really is. Who said they were going to stalk me because I said Singer was a better director than Raimi?

Pardon my french, but now you are just completely and utterly f**king lying, I never said that! I said that I was going to stalk you because you seem to be stalking me. I could care less about who you like as a director. You are the one who just can't accept that I'm not in love with you favorite director. You are becoming a truely pathetic little lair just to prove a point that really can't be proven at all because it's all opinion.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I'm going to stalk you now and say that Singer has to be one of the lamest directors working today and not one scene in SR came close to being as good as anything in both Spider-Man movies.

Strange, because I was in a SUPERMAN RETURNS thread (a movie that you hate), and YOU came into there to start trouble. I posted an opinion, and you as usual get all hissy and catty with the claws out.

Have you seen me coming into Spider-Man threads and bashing your beloved director? That would be a no. But you do it...all the time.

How can I be stalking YOU when it is YOU that starts the attacks? Yeah, talk about pathetic.

 

[lordofthenerds]

Superman Returns, it might have been flawed but it was still a very good movie. X3 was just a decent popcorn flick.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Well, Usual Suspects is better than any of those movies, and showed his true directing skills. Very few people argue that the X-Men movies are bad (except for X3) but when they do, its more of a fault with the writing than the direction. The X-Men movies (again, except for X3) have top notch production values, excellent acting, and terrific cinematography, which is mostly the director at work.

I am not saying Raimi is a bad director, he just isn't anywhere close to Singer technically. He's more of a fun director whereas Singer deals with more serious themes.

Usual Suspects is sweet

but I prefer Evil Dead 2 over every movie mentioned

The characters in the movie X-men, and X2 are complete strangers to their comic book counter parts, and if you listen to the commentary Singer takes credit for all of that, I am not saying they are poorly made movies, or whatever but I don't like the fact that they he completely disregarded the source material, and in turn made a really boring movie in X1.

What you said though about Raimi being more of a fun director, and Singer dealing with serious themes is also true, but I think Raimi did a much better job of illustrating a lonely superhero then Singer did

 

[slipknotrocks]

SR= pretty good

X3= Terrible.

Bryan Singer is much better than Ratner.

 

[WormyT]

X3 was pretty forgettable, but at least it was short, to the point, and was the first X-men movie to put on display mutant powers other then Wolverine, so for that I give it credit.

SR was a boring waste of time that tried way to hard to follow the formula of Batman Begins, and Richard Donner, was a serious, dark, drag movie, with holes in Lex Luthors plan so big you could fit Brian Singers ego inside it, and Since Superman says only one syllable words the whole movie, Luthor becomes the main character, so therefore the plot revolves around him, making the plot rather weak. It forgot the playfulness of the old superman movies, The Man of Steel, Faster then a speeding bullet, more powerful then a locomotive, etc. Those are the subtle nuances that made Superman in general, and the first Superman more fun to enjoy, and are rather ignored in Returns. Routh, and Bosworth where nothing compared to their predessecors, and it felt like they just had a one night stand, and this was the awkward coffee table meeting, rather than being in love a lifetime ago.

this is all IMO but X3 for me

My thoughts exactly.
I'm surprised anyone actually expected X3 to be as good as X2. But then again not everyone is a geek/dork like me. Most people didn't know that SInger left(general audience).
So with X3 in my view, it was NOT as bad as I imagined it would be. I was entertained from the start and I was shown some real powers at work to make up for the lack of them in X1,2.
I was all over SR when I heard Singer was on it. Damn it wasn't terrible but it was a little too dreary and overcast and lacked punch and Kodak moments for the return of the greatest superhero ever.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

For the record I find A Simple Plain to be a better movie than US, I think that the Evil Dead movies are just plain bad, I absolutely adored DarkMan and the Spider-Man movies but found The Gift to be so-so. I have to get around to watching his other films so I don't have an opinion on those one way or another.

US was good but I watched it a few months ago and found myself not caring for it nearly as much as I use to, I'll probably watch it again though and completely make up my mind. X-1 is still a pretty medicore/okay movie that I haven't found a reason to re-watch as of late and I liked X2 but have only seen it one time. I haven't seen anyother films of his so I can't comment.

Overall Raimi is far from the perfect director but when he hits it out of the park, he hits it out of the park, ofcourse this is all my opinion.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Strange, because I was in a SUPERMAN RETURNS thread (a movie that you hate), and YOU came into there to start trouble. I posted an opinion, and you as usual get all hissy and catty with the claws out.

Have you seen me coming into Spider-Man threads and bashing your beloved director? That would be a no. But you do it...all the time.

How can I be stalking YOU when it is YOU that starts the attacks? Yeah, talk about pathetic.

I don't hate Superman Returns and please find my post where I said that I hated it?

That quote of mine says exactly what I said that I said, thanks for finding it.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Whats up this it might have been flawed? Every movie is flawed because nobody is perfect.

 

[Hunter Rider]

My take on the Raimi/Singer debate is the Raimi does something that i find very important in his movies and that's he makes me feel emotion,whether it be sadness,happines,warmth or adrenaline with is amazing action scenes
I also find his use of camera set ups much more exciting

Singer is a very efficient storyteller and very reserved with a good eye for casting IMO
He also has high production values

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

MY REVIEW:

I saw Superman Returns last night and I did go in with a open mind, I actually thought when all was said and done I would like it a bit more than I thought I would,wrong.

Although Superman Returns isn't a bad movie, it isn't a great movie either, or even good for that matter. It's a pretty decent movie, but I dislike and was bored by the rehashed storyline. Although a little young for a 30+year old Superman, Brandon looked good as the Man of Steel but he is hampered by having to rehash Chris Reeves performance as Clark Kent and Superman, I would have loved to see him do his own thing but I must admit I don't care for the ultra geeky interpetation of Clark Kent. Kate Bosworth is a good actress and generally does a good job, but where was that old Lois Spunk? I blame the way the character was written far more than Bosworth, who gave it her all but in the end looks way too young and pretty to play Lois Lane. I don't like Kevin Spacey, I'm going to get that out of the way right now, but I have to admit it wasn't has fault that I just plain didn't care for Luthor. He was hamstrung into playing the darker version of Lex from "Superman the movie" and it just is a boring outdated performance that doesn't work. As a matter of fact, the whole movie is like that performance. It's a darker version of Superman The Movie. And thats it, while in my opinion the first version of the movie is way too silly overrated tripe, this movie takes almost everything "real world" serious and the writers expect me to believe that Luthor would be let out of prison because Superman didn't testify? Right, because he didn't try to kill millions of people with his land grab plot which he for some reason rehashed again, even though it didn't work the first time? Also Superman is a little to whiney and mopey in this movie and doesn't really get to do much. The movie doesn't seem to be about Clark/Superman and because they gave Lois a kid no matter of the kid is his he still will seem like ahome wrecker if he gets Lois in future sequel. The first action scene was well done but it wasn't fanatsic or anything, I've seen it before. The movie had way too little action and was 20 minutes too long.

I give it a 7/10. Decent acting and the fact that it looked pretty (in that bland Alex Ross) sotra way saved it.

Edit: Bryan Singer's ultra realistic/ultra serious directing style is not right for a Superman movie, the movie should have been more light hearted and looked far more dynamic. Somebody should keep this man away from comicbook films.

 

[Secret_Riddle]

I'm not an x-men fanboy. x-men 2 is probably one of my faves but i do not feel that much of a connection the the x-men universe in general. that being said i think x-men 3 is terrible.

I loved superman returns though.

 

[green]

I have to admit after my initial disdain for X3 Im warming up to it on dvd.
Its by no means good but its got its fun value. I still hate some of the choices that were made and complete lack of character development but its got it's moments.
SR is a much better movie to me though.
Especially that darn plane sequence I thought maybe it was just seeing it on IMAX but even at home I get chills. If Singer can turn that excitement into a fight sequence (that all the fans are dying for) the sequel could own.

 

[Karea07]

I enjoyed X-men 3 way more

 

[matrix_ghost]

I know i'm going to be flamed to a crisp for this ...oh well.

X3 (>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.) times 1 zillion Superman Returns

At least i can find solace in the fact that X3 closes the arc with this X-Men storyline and alot of the crap that Brian Singer did with grounding the characters in reality , was cut loose by Brett Ratner.
The characters were finally given something to do with their powers as oppiosed to the Wolverine show that the first two movies were.

Is X3 good as a standalone movie... IMO Yes
Is X3 a good conclusion to the movies of Singer......IMO it's a okay conclusion
X3 lacks in storytelling but makes up with the action .

And while i'll admit that good storytelling is VERY IMPORTANT for a movie , it really doesn't matter if the movie is a snoozefest.

As for SR....well IMO it it's an okay movie. By no means a superman movie.
Hopefully Brian SInger can redeem himself with the sequel.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I don't hate Superman Returns and please find my post where I said that I hated it?

Before you posted your review, I was going to say that all you do is pop in from time to time on the SR boards to inject little bits of flame bait or jump on someone when they compare the movie or director to anything Spider-Man related.

Maybe you hate the Superman fans then.

That quote of mine says exactly what I said that I said, thanks for finding it.

What? That you stalk people because you disagree with them? That you cannot respect others opinions especially when it comes to your beloved Spider-Man? Um ok. Good thing you're not a lawyer.

 

[jaydawg]

The first time I saw X3 I loved it. After the excitement wore off and I saw it a second time..... not so much. It was still entertaining, but it totally lacked the substance of the previous x-men films.

Superman Returns, despite its failings (the kid is such a can of worms and Lex is a total joke) was a good movie. Plus, I saw it for free the first time. That always helps. Now that its on DVD, I still stand by my original opinion.

So definitely Superman Returns. Lets just hope the sequel has a better plot, a Luthor that doesnt suck and a villain we havent seen before (like Brainiac, not Zod).

 

[CAH]

Superman Returns


Kevin Spacey wasn't in X3...t:


CAH

 

[X-Ray]

SR ... I enjoyed it. There's room for improvement though.

As for X3 ...