SR vs X3

[SolidSnakeMGS]

For the last time I am comparing singers damn near unlimited resources for SUPERMAN RETURNS, compared to ratners for XMEN 3.

Excuses, excuses. SR > X3 by about x100. Easily.

I find it ironic that the people who hate Singer and hate X 1 and 2 are on here defending X 3. Actually, it isn't ironic. Its quite telling.

Anyway, for the last time, Superman Returns is many times better than that POS X3. The polls back this up as a popular opinion.

 

[Avalanche]

Superman Returns was probably the better film in terms of character development etc, but I prefered X3 in terms of the fun factor.

 

[Triadkd]

Look I respect everyones opinion but it irks me when some film snob says SR is way better than X3. Just because a movie is longer and has scenes of people staring longingly at each other doesent mean it is deep or better than anything else. IMO singer's problem is that he is to afraid of just letting go and saying **** it. His comic book films have been like funerals, afraid to shake anything up or make a scene. Fanboys are incable of being objective, you guys would have praised this film no matter what. IMO ratner makes better films than singer. I dont care if you think I dont have good taste in film but it is what I belive. Ratners films have always ENTERTAINED me,something singer is incable of. I wish he would stick to making arthouse films and leave the comic films to someone who knows how to have fun. Most people arent like the depressed fanboys on this site who want everything to be "dark" and "deep" most just wanna have fun.

 

[-Æ-]

Its replay factor, SR and X3 have no replay factor at all, there was nothing in those movies that wanted me to go see it again.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Look I respect everyones opinion but it irks me when some film snob says SR is way better than X3. Just because a movie is longer and has scenes of people staring longingly at each other doesent mean it is deep or better than anything else. IMO singer's problem is that he is to afraid of just letting go and saying **** it. His comic book films have been like funerals, afraid to shake anything up or make a scene. Fanboys are incable of being objective, you guys would have praised this film no matter what. IMO ratner makes better films than singer. I dont care if you think I dont have good taste in film but it is what I belive. Ratners films have always ENTERTAINED me,something singer is incable of. I wish he would stick to making arthouse films and leave the comic films to someone who knows how to have fun. Most people arent like the depressed fanboys on this site who want everything to be "dark" and "deep" most just wanna have fun.

So someone is a snob if they know...uh, think SR is better than X3? Well, with that rationale, I can say that people that like X3 lack any taste in film whatsoever, and that SR is too deep and complex for those types of people, since their brains are too small and limited to comprehend it. t:

 

[-Æ-]

lol, yeah SR returns is as deep as a Maury Povich episode.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Still deeper than X3, though. Which...if I believe, is the point of this thread. We're debating SR's quality compared to X3....and vice versa.

X3 has more action. That's all it's got over SR.....well, that and a pretty good cast of actors. But, with a bad script....those actors go to waste.

Again, gotta spell this out I guess.....I'm not saying SR is the best cb movie (BB is, thank you very much....lol) but it's better than X3. I mean, SR is getting a sequel.....that's gotta atleast say that it was atleast decent to "meh". And, apprently.....FOX seems to want to get Singer back. That's gotta be a sign at what they thought about Ratner.

 

[-Æ-]

SR was going to get a sequel anyway, thats just movie execs throwing there money around. Hopefully they learned from there mistakes of SR. Just not the Superman I was expecting.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, it did make the money to justify a sequel. Granted, it took a hell of a long time to make it....but it did.

And, the type of heat the film gets on these boards....you'd had thought that the film shouldn't get one at all.

Speaking of sequels.....I wanna see how X4 gets done. They gotta find a director, I think.......they wanted Singer back, but I don't think it'll happen. I do think they should get someone better than Ratner though for sure.

 

[Supreme Power]

Excuses, excuses. SR > X3 by about x100. Easily.

I find it ironic that the people who hate Singer and hate X 1 and 2 are on here defending X 3. Actually, it isn't ironic. Its quite telling.

Anyway, for the last time, Superman Returns is many times better than that POS X3. The polls back this up as a popular opinion.

Nuff said

Why would someone have to defend X3 if they enjoyed it more than SR anyway. I actually defended SR after I saw it, when a lot of my friends were saying it was a piece of crap, and didn't even want to watch it.

 

[Triadkd]

^The same reason those who liked SR(god knows why)defend it against X3.

 

[Erzengel]

Or people think X3 huh is better than the first 2 X-Men movies.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Well, it did make the money to justify a sequel. Granted, it took a hell of a long time to make it....but it did.

And, the type of heat the film gets on these boards....you'd had thought that the film shouldn't get one at all.

Speaking of sequels.....I wanna see how X4 gets done. They gotta find a director, I think.......they wanted Singer back, but I don't think it'll happen. I do think they should get someone better than Ratner though for sure.

Even though I hate SR, if it wheren't for POTCDMC it would have coasted to 600 million world wide imo, I think it was just a poorley planned movie for making money, because A they made it way to serious for a summer movie, if they would have released it right now, it would be very fitting. B, POTCDMC was going to ass rape anyone in its way regardless, and C POTCDMC was a more viewer friendly movie anyways, if they would have not had the cock sure attitude they had SR would have coasted to 600 mil ww.

On X4, I don't want one unless they totally go nuts with trying to make it an actual X-men movie, I would prefer they release this more then likely sub-par wolverine movie, and then wait 3 years, go back to the well, get an up and coming action director like Joe Carnahan, and Batman Begins it, doing it right imo. In saying that, with an xmen movie no one is ever going to be completely happy so my "doing it right" is not exactly everyones "doing it right"

 

[Triadkd]

Now who's making excuses. POTC or no SR would have made the same amount.The only reason superman made the money it did was because of curiousity,old guys who saw the originals in theaters, and those same old guys dragging there poor kids back to see it over and over. I worked at cobb movie theaters during the summer and you wouldnt believe the number of times I saw some poor 10 year old with a grimace on his face as his dad dragged him to another showing of SR. The dad would usually have to carry his sleeping children on the way out. I predict a very hulk like state of affairs for this "franchise".The studios will keep spinning and then when 2015 rolls around we will have our"Cast your Superman Reboot Movie" threads.

 

[WorthyStevens]

I don't know if SR would make it to $600 million, but it definitely would have made more money if not placed a week before POTC2.

And by the way, even with POTC2, SR still had a lower second weekend drop-off than X3 did.

 

[BMM]

I find both movies are fairly underwhelming, but The Last Stand kills me. One reason (among many) is that even with everything else going on, it feels like a rehash of X-Men to me. A number of scenes like Storm lecturing Wolverine, Wolverine comforting an unsure Rogue, and Wolverine tracking down a woman who has fled the School (only to be stopped by Magneto in the process) just feel like lesser interpretations of something presented six years ago.

Even the final battle feels like a rehash. The X-Men confront the Brotherhood on a tiny island off the coast of the United States yet again. They enter the final battle as a team, split off into their individual skirmishes, and then come together in the end. Yet, somehow after six years, X-Men is still the only movie in which the characters combine their powers to stop a common threat (Storm levitating Wolverine via a whirlwind while Jean holds him in place using her telekinetic powers with Cyclops later blasting Magneto in the back).

 

[cryptic name]

Now who's making excuses. POTC or no SR would have made the same amount.The only reason superman made the money it did was because of curiousity,old guys who saw the originals in theaters, and those same old guys dragging there poor kids back to see it over and over. I worked at cobb movie theaters during the summer and you wouldnt believe the number of times I saw some poor 10 year old with a grimace on his face as his dad dragged him to another showing of SR. The dad would usually have to carry his sleeping children on the way out. I predict a very hulk like state of affairs for this "franchise".The studios will keep spinning and then when 2015 rolls around we will have our"Cast your Superman Reboot Movie" threads.

a huge group of us (18 year olds) went to see it opening and everyone there wanted to see it. come to think of it, i saw very few people over 30 at any of the screenings i went to.

 

[Jolie_Desastre]

a huge group of us (18 year olds) went to see it opening and everyone there wanted to see it. come to think of it, i saw very few people over 30 at any of the screenings i went to.

same here. actually i did see a few parents with their little kids laughing and having a great time watching the film. it was in digital 3d where i saw it.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I don't know if SR would make it to $600 million, but it definitely would have made more money if not placed a week before POTC2.

And by the way, even with POTC2, SR still had a lower second weekend drop-off than X3 did.

Well thats cause X3 opened in the shadow of 'The Break Up'

 

[War Party]

What's with all these "vs." threads? Too many.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Now who's making excuses. POTC or no SR would have made the same amount.The only reason superman made the money it did was because of curiousity,old guys who saw the originals in theaters, and those same old guys dragging there poor kids back to see it over and over. I worked at cobb movie theaters during the summer and you wouldnt believe the number of times I saw some poor 10 year old with a grimace on his face as his dad dragged him to another showing of SR. The dad would usually have to carry his sleeping children on the way out. I predict a very hulk like state of affairs for this "franchise".The studios will keep spinning and then when 2015 rolls around we will have our"Cast your Superman Reboot Movie" threads.

And the only reason X3 made any money was b/c of Bryan Singer's work prior to X3. If X2 had sucked.....X3 wouldn't have drawn anyone.

On X4, I don't want one unless they totally go nuts with trying to make it an actual X-men movie, I would prefer they release this more then likely sub-par wolverine movie, and then wait 3 years, go back to the well, get an up and coming action director like Joe Carnahan, and Batman Begins it, doing it right imo. In saying that, with an xmen movie no one is ever going to be completely happy so my "doing it right" is not exactly everyones "doing it right"

I think FOX is just going to go to the well, b/c they managed to make good money on a rather subpar film. They're going to ride that pony, and try and keep as much of the cast as they can......those they didn't kill off, of course. Although, technically speaking....did anyone really die? I mean, that secret ending was just a big "**** you" I thought to viewers.

And by the way, even with POTC2, SR still had a lower second weekend drop-off than X3 did.

I didn't know that.....interesting, actually.

I find both movies are fairly underwhelming, but The Last Stand kills me. One reason (among many) is that even with everything else going on, it feels like a rehash of X-Men to me. A number of scenes like Storm lecturing Wolverine, Wolverine comforting an unsure Rogue, and Wolverine tracking down a woman who has fled the School (only to be stopped by Magneto in the process) just feel like lesser interpretations of something presented six years ago.

I dunno......I agree with you, b/c there was a real "been there, done that" feeling throughout the film in some ways. The killings kinda set that right, I guess. But, I just think the plot doesn't really go anywhere per se. It kinda sets things up, and then kinda flattens out. Maybe I'd had felt differently if the final battle had been better.

What's with all these "vs." threads? Too many

lol....comic fans. Everything becomes a "my dad can beat your dad" type thing. Although, really.....I think this one is a no contest.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

I mean, that secret ending was just a big "**** you" I thought to viewers.

I know. And lazy, to boot!

It was like it was Ratner's way of saying, "Okay, so this is the last one...but maybe it's not?!"

That way, instead of exploring new territory for a potential fourth film - like where the X-Men go after -both- of their leaders (Xavier and Cyclops) are gone - we have an easy out with the whole "Xavier in a new, presumably fully functional body" angle, which isn't nearly as interesting.

Not to mention that Cyclops' body was never found, so it's entirely feasible to say that he wasn't actually killed, or something...

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I know. And lazy, to boot!

It was like it was Ratner's way of saying, "Okay, so this is the last one...but maybe it's not?!"

That way, instead of exploring new territory for a potential fourth film - like where the X-Men go after -both- of their leaders (Xavier and Cyclops) are gone - we have an easy out with the whole "Xavier in a new, presumably fully functional body" angle, which isn't nearly as interesting.

Not to mention that Cyclops' body was never found, so it's entirely feasible to say that he wasn't actually killed, or something...

I bet Sinster took Cyclops body, and is keeping him alive, also he has taken a DNA sample of Pheonix, so they can mate, and can create CABLE! What a kick ass story line that would be, **** Zak Penn, I feel like I should write X4

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah....but the way the **** hit the fan with Marsden....ya gotta figure FOX stance is that Cyclops is actually dead. I say recast the role, but don't kill him off JUST to **** off the actor.

The fact that FOX was promoting this film as if it were the last is what pisses me off, really. It can't be the last, b/c too much **** is left undone. Too many questions need to be answered, especially with the "secret" ending.....it throws everything that happened in the movie out the window.

I think Fox tried to do something.....but the execution failed. Tried to leave it open for a sequel, in case the fanbase wants it badly enough and the money is made......but if it bombs and nobody wants more....they can call it the end of the saga. I just think they left way too much open, and it needs closure.

 

[Mr Jide]

If you want to look at that way then yes he did. But as I said, the absence of Cyclops showed a team in confusion, strife, and turmoil as they had to team up with the enemy to save him and Xavier.

I feel Singer would've done an excellent job if he had stayed for X3/X4.

I would have preferd it if we saw more from cycs and what was happening to him whilst he was away from the team but instead he just showed up as a mindless drone attacking jeane. It could have been handled a little better.