ssj4 vs ssj3

[PhotoJones]

i agree.

 

[buutenks]

Yes and u said that ssj1 could not get cut but ssj4 and ssj3 can!

it was only an orges club then he turned it into a sword.

1.The movies are not canon.

2.That was Janenbas sword which is more powerful then a normal sword or glass so that's why ssj3 Goku was cut but still it does not matter because the movies are not canon.

 

[Gotenks]

1.The movies are not canon.

2.That was Janenbas sword which is more powerful then a normal sword or glass so that's why ssj3 Goku was cut but still it does not matter because the movies are not canon.

It does not matter if it is non canon he was still ssj3 and was still cut. When u said he could not be cut.

 

[buutenks]

It does not matter if it is non canon he was still ssj3 and was still cut. When u said he could not be cut.

To be cut by glass is not the same as being cut by a sword and it matters if it's non-canon because it's not made by Akira Toryama and if it's not made by him it's not true.

 

[XwolverineX]

What the *****?!? 4 > 3 >2 > 1....

 

[Warhammer]

To be cut by glass is not the same as being cut by a sword and it matters if it's non-canon because it's not made by Akira Toryama and if it's not made by him it's not true.

I might have to teach you some logic, son.

Back from the post about Goku being cut by glass and being hit by Frieza's beam and all that other crap, I highly doubt that a Super Saiyan's skin would get weaker by reaching a higher power level.

Even though I dont believe that a saiyan's skin somehow gets stronger and more durable as he levels up, The most logical answer to this situation would be that Saiyan's skin gets stronger as a power level increases, not weaker.

 

[Warhammer]

Because Friezas ki attack didn't went through ssj Goku.

An energy beam and glass are two different things,
Totally different substances, etc.

If I throw a rock at you, will it go through you?

I dont mean to dog on you, but i am just trying to make a point.

 

[Gotenks]

To be cut by glass is not the same as being cut by a sword and it matters if it's non-canon because it's not made by Akira Toryama and if it's not made by him it's not true.

Omg u just dont get it! Yes it is non canon but A.T had everything to do with it just was not part of the manga.I dont get it its like your being stupid on purpose!

 

[buutenks]

Omg u just dont get it! Yes it is non canon but A.T had everything to do with it just was not part of the manga.I dont get it its like your being stupid on purpose!

I don't think AT had something to do with the movies,those were made by funimation,AT had nothing to do with them.

 

[buutenks]

An energy beam and glass are two different things,
Totally different substances, etc.

If I throw a rock at you, will it go through you?

I dont mean to dog on you, but i am just trying to make a point.

But the ki beam went through Picolo and glass can't go through him.

 

[sexysoccerstud8]

so are we still arguing that ssj3 is stronger than ssj4? cuz if we are then you should stop trying to save it b/c there are plenty of points throughout this forum that say and prove that ssj4 is stronger.

 

[Warhammer]

^He speaks the truth.

 

[Gotenks]

I don't think AT had something to do with the movies,those were made by funimation,AT had nothing to do with them.

wow u really dont know anything do u. so are saying that the people behind funimation made the dbz movies b/c if u think that u are dead wrong they just do voiceovers and edit scenes for theunited states they were made in japan by the one and only A.T

 

[Warhammer]

Buutenks.
Your wrong.

That ''being cut by glass'' thing was wrong.

SSJ4 is stronger than SSJ3.


The End.
Roll Credits.

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

ok im new hear so hello everyone. i was so frustrated at this topic that i had 2 sign up and give my opinion..... now how can u actually think that a ssj3 and i think i heard even a ssj1 is stronger than a ssj 4? thats just crazy..i have some points on why i say this so tell me if im right.

1. chibi goku took on ssj gohan and i belive ssjgoten while he was in his base form when they were infected by baby

2. ssj3 goku faught baby and baby wasnt even bothered by the attacks.

3. uub couldnt beat baby and uub is way stronger than freeza and is about as or a little more stronger than a ssj 2

4. goku took on cell and freeza both on at the same time in hell in his base form never even transformed.

5. ssj4 goku beat baby vegeta , even after baby turned oozaru and had a power up....

one more thing...if ssj 3 is stronger then why didnt ss3 gotenks fight the dragon instead of ss4 gogeta

 

[November Rain]

although ssj4 was stronger, his antics and feats in comparison to other transformations were not noticeably bigger, the only difference is that we as viewers know he's stronger because we've watched him get stronger.

if we are going purely on the size of feats in comparison to which is the strongest then arguably 100% goku is the most dangerous guise he's taken up.

 

[Aidan06]

ss4 will always be the most powerful, thats how it goes, they ascend to new levels to defeat the challenge set ahead, they adapt to kill and overpower, they don't get new ****ty transformations to make them weaker than use them, thats not how it goes, ssj4 is way stronger than ss3, on a whole new level, dbz isnt about feats, they don't bench press mountains and lift extreme weights and get compared to supreme speed technology, this is japan, they don't neccessarily want dbz to look uber cool compared to anything else and mega powerful, they are about fighting, and we cannot tell wether or not goku in ssj4 is punching harder than ssj3 by looking, but its obvious ssj4 is the best and strongest

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

although ssj4 was stronger, his antics and feats in comparison to other transformations were not noticeably bigger, the only difference is that we as viewers know he's stronger because we've watched him get stronger.

if we are going purely on the size of feats in comparison to which is the strongest then arguably 100% goku is the most dangerous guise he's taken up.

yeah now that is wat the argument should have been , but some people arent sayin that, they are actually comparing strenght...and that the other forms are stronger not the feats but the strength

 

[Warhammer]

Wow, this thread was ressurected.

Let the chaos begin.

 

[November Rain]

yeah now that is wat the argument should have been , but some people arent sayin that, they are actually comparing strenght...and that the other forms are stronger not the feats but the strength

it just comes down to poor communication.

if feats were a direct measurement of strength than there is a case, unfortunately we all know it isn't.

realistically ssj4 exhaling should be enough to destroy a planet, gogeta should be a universal destroying force of nature but it's all played way way way way way way way down for convinience.

it doesn't make them any less strong though.

 

[sexysoccerstud8]

omg u r still think that ssj3 is stronger than ssj4 buutenks? u really must be dumb, there is more than enough proof that ssj4 is stronger, just because goku got cut by glass as a ssj4 doesnt mean that form is weaker. u kno what? glass is sharp and most of the time it will cut someone. so let's be smart about this and just admit that ssj4 is stronger and will be stronger until the end of time.

 

[November Rain]

actually the only evidence we really have is simply comparative evidence based on what is implied in the story...

i.e. villains get stronger so he must get stronger to beat them...

however, as a ssj 4, if you compare feats, there's not so much to go on.

 

[sexysoccerstud8]

there you go, point proven, they wouldn't put out stronger villains if they weren't planning on making another STRONGER form of ssj. who cares about feats? i mean personally i think a form that is so strong that you must go through ozzaru(monkey) to pretty much get to it in the first place is cool. let's see here, incredible power, different hairstyles, a whole new look. yeah, i'm pretty sure ssj4 has feats to go on.

 

[November Rain]

having a different hairstyle isn't a feat

 

[sexysoccerstud8]

i consider it to be. to be honest the whole blonde hair thing was starting to get old, point is there are good enough feats.