Star Trek Sequel

[Johnny Drama]

Because Star Trek isn't iconic on image alone like Batman, it's iconic in name

 

[That-Guy]

hahaha! or why even keep "Star Trek" in the title? we can go the Nolan/Batman route, and just call the sequel "Khan Begins" or "Mirror, Mirror".

Heh, that might work, but I think it is true that "Star Trek" needs to remain in the title simply for recognition purposes. I think the reason it worked for TDK was because Batman and the Joker are so recognizable that they were able to get away from the stagnation of using the central character's name. Plus, Batman is often called TDK.

Kirk, Spock and the Enterprise are nearly as recognizable, but I still think that it would be a tougher sell.

 

[Dark Knight]

Star Trek: Legacy

 

[GhostPoet]

Star Trek: Get 'er DONE

 

[Sawyer]

Star Trek: Get 'er DONE

A Larry the Cable Guy joke? Get out of here...

 

[Doctor Jones]

Larry the Cable Guy FTL.

 

[That-Guy]

Star Trek: Echoes of the Future

 

[Threshold]

Damn, I didn't even know this thread existed!!!

 

[Doctor Jones]

I think Kirk in the sequel needs to grow definately. Anyone think "James T. Kirk was a great man. But that was another life!" will make Kirk question his choices and what he thinks about himself? His self worth and him thiking twice about being a man he thinks he should be? It really isn't about that, it's about your own choices in this lifetime, his own destiny. What he feels is right. I think since destiny was a theme of the first, maybe choice could be a theme of the second? Where can Kirk go from here?

 

[Threshold]

I was thinking that with the whole 'social commentary' aspect that they want to achieve in the sequel, they could have some problems arise with the Vulcan colony that Spock spoke about at the end of the film and use it as a metaphor for the Israeli/Palestinian situation. Just an idea.

 

[El_Citrus]

I think Kirk in the sequel needs to grow definately. Anyone think "James T. Kirk was a great man. But that was another life!" will make Kirk question his choices and what he thinks about himself? His self worth and him thiking twice about being a man he thinks he should be? It really isn't about that, it's about your own choices in this lifetime, his own destiny. What he feels is right. I think since destiny was a theme of the first, maybe choice could be a theme of the second? Where can Kirk go from here?

I think we'll see everyone dealing in one way or another with their fate. They all know that things have been changed and I think it would be good to see them question what their lives would have been, but not have it more as a subplot that exposes itself with Kirk, especially after hearing "Kirk was a great man...". I think we could see Spock and Kirk develop more as Kirk questions him about his choices and whether he's living up to his "other self".

 

[Sam Fisher]

Star Trek: Get 'er DONE

GhostPoet: Get 'er OUT.

 

[Watson]

I was thinking that with the whole 'social commentary' aspect that they want to achieve in the sequel, they could have some problems arise with the Vulcan colony that Spock spoke about at the end of the film and use it as a metaphor for the Israeli/Palestinian situation. Just an idea.

I like that concept, but I also don't want them to get too preachy. I've been watching a lot of TOS lately and what I really like about it is that is presents an ethical issue but doesn't necessarily take a firm side. Usually you get to hear some dissenting opinions from Spock or Bones or whomever.

 

[Threshold]

Absolutely, I just think using something as inherently topical and divisive as that particular situation would be a great starting point for the story of the sequel. From there they can work all the space battles, phaser fights, and nerve pinches they want into it!

 

[wiegeabo]

I like that concept, but I also don't want them to get too preachy. I've been watching a lot of TOS lately and what I really like about it is that is presents an ethical issue but doesn't necessarily take a firm side. Usually you get to hear some dissenting opinions from Spock or Bones or whomever.

*prays for a blow out argument between Spock and McCoy*

 

[Watson]

Absolutely, I just think using something as inherently topical and divisive as that particular situation would be a great starting point for the story of the sequel. From there they can work all the space battles, phaser fights, and nerve pinches they want into it!

Yeah I like that angle

*prays for a blow out argument between Spock and McCoy*

They HAVE to. I loved the little taste of it we got in this film. I thought Urban and Quinto both nailed the scene. And when Quinto says that line about stallions having to be broken, that was when he really became Spock for me.

 

[Threshold]

They HAVE to. I loved the little taste of it we got in this film. I thought Urban and Quinto both nailed the scene. And when Quinto says that line about stallions having to be broken, that was when he really became Spock for me.

There absolutely needs to be a bigger presence of the 'Holy Trinity' in the sequel. I have a feeling that due to Karl Urban's dynamic performance, the writers of the sequel will know that they can up the ante with the character.

 

[That-Guy]

Yeah, I agree that it shouldn't be too preachy. When it comes to fantasy/sci-fi epics, I tend to side more with the J.R.R. Tolkien approach than the C.S. Lewis one.

Tolkien said that his story was simply meant to be a good fantasy story, and that it wasn't intended as some sort of allegory for social events, religious beliefs, etc. And it works, I think.

But C.S. Lewis obviously intended his works to convey a religious message, and frankly, it all seems a bit silly to me. If it takes a talking beaver to get you to believe in Jesus, I think there's something wrong with that picture. Now, it is true that Lewis's books were aimed at a younger audience, so perhaps in that sense it works, but to an older one it all seems pretty silly.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that, personally, I don't need guys with pointed ears and laser guns preaching to me about tension in the middle east or the threat of nuclear war. I watch the news for that. When I watch Star Trek, I simply want to be entertained.

 

[Watson]

^Agreed. A story having a message is fine to, but the plot shouldn't be sacrificed for it.

 

[Threshold]

You guys do know that there is no way that the Kirk-Spock-Uhura love triangle isn't going develop further in the new movie. They practically broadcasted that in the first film.

 

[Watson]

You guys do know that there is no way that the Kirk-Spock-Uhura love triangle isn't going develop further in the new movie. They practically broadcasted that in the first film.

Kirk is not a homewrecker. Plus I don't think he was ever "in love" with her, he just flirted with her becuase that's what he does. I think once he saw that she was with Spock it's over. The only thing I could see them doing would be to have Spock read things incorrectly and think that Uhura and Kirk had a thing for each other. Plus if they do go that route it could really ruin any Spock/Kirk bonding.

Bring on the alien babes for Kirk to flirt with, I say!

 

[Threshold]

I hate to say it, but the dramatic potential in that particular love triangle is too juicy to leave untapped. Orci and Kurtzman are hollywood screenwriters. They're first language is 'love triangle'. Do I want this to happen? Hell no! But will it? Most likely...

 

[Watson]

^I'm hoping then that the Star Trek fan inside Orci and Kurtzman wins out. I hate stupid love triangle crap. It's so "The OC".

 

[That-Guy]

LOL, I think I'd rather see Kirk put his potential feelings for Uhura aside in favor of giving Spock tips on how to keep her happy and such. I mean, let's face it, I doubt Spock has had many girlfriends, and Kirk, well, let's just say he's a bit more experienced.

 

[Raiden]

There absolutely needs to be a bigger presence of the 'Holy Trinity' in the sequel. I have a feeling that due to Karl Urban's dynamic performance, the writers of the sequel will know that they can up the ante with the character.

Yeah, Karl Urban was phenomenal as Bones, but way too small screentime. I hope his scenes will be upped in the sequel.