Star Trek Sequel

[Raiden]

Kirk is not a homewrecker. Plus I don't think he was ever "in love" with her, he just flirted with her becuase that's what he does. I think once he saw that she was with Spock it's over. The only thing I could see them doing would be to have Spock read things incorrectly and think that Uhura and Kirk had a thing for each other. Plus if they do go that route it could really ruin any Spock/Kirk bonding.

Bring on the alien babes for Kirk to flirt with, I say!

I agree that Kirk won't try to steal Uhura from Spock, but I also don't think Uhura and Spock will be an item forever. I think eventually they will split up, because they need drama and conflict and it's too bored to have them doing the same old thing in the next sequel and beyond. There will be some shakeup coming.

 

[Sentinel X]

Yeah, I agree that it shouldn't be too preachy. When it comes to fantasy/sci-fi epics, I tend to side more with the J.R.R. Tolkien approach than the C.S. Lewis one.

Tolkien said that his story was simply meant to be a good fantasy story, and that it wasn't intended as some sort of allegory for social events, religious beliefs, etc. And it works, I think.

But C.S. Lewis obviously intended his works to convey a religious message, and frankly, it all seems a bit silly to me. If it takes a talking beaver to get you to believe in Jesus, I think there's something wrong with that picture. Now, it is true that Lewis's books were aimed at a younger audience, so perhaps in that sense it works, but to an older one it all seems pretty silly.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that, personally, I don't need guys with pointed ears and laser guns preaching to me about tension in the middle east or the threat of nuclear war. I watch the news for that. When I watch Star Trek, I simply want to be entertained.

I disagree...I think allegory can be so beautiful if it is used right and it is not silly AT ALL. I loved the way CS Lewis used it for the Lion, the witch, & the wardrobe...as well as countless other authors. Sure, its different however its really cool to see him weave his religious beliefs into a great fantasy story. Star Wars and Star Trek have basically done the same exact thing and it has worked really well for them.

 

[Pink Ranger]

The social gospel is an essential element of Star Trek since the beginning. Otherwise it's just Star Wars without lightsabres.

For my money, I think Klingons are a must in the next Star Trek movie. Preferably in some sort of "enemies becomes friends" situation.

 

[Threshold]

I agree that Kirk won't try to steal Uhura from Spock, but I also don't think Uhura and Spock will be an item forever. I think eventually they will split up, because they need drama and conflict and it's too bored to have them doing the same old thing in the next sequel and beyond. There will be some shakeup coming.

Oh, absolutely! When I use the term 'love triangle' I don't mean that Kirk is going to dastardly attempt to sweep Uhura off her feet and away from Spock. I meant that Kirk and Uhura's friendship will perhaps evolve to a place where feelings are beginning to develop for one another. I think after his beat down by Spock on the bridge, the last thing Kirk would want to do is piss him off again!

 

[Frodo]

I'd prefer that Kirk get his own love interest and maybe have her get killed. She's someone he could see himself settling down with but she's killed in someway. She could be someone who can see through his swagger and get to his vunerable side. Her death would be one of those life changing moments that further shapes him into the Kirk was know. I'd also like to see the bond between Kirk, Spock and McCoy grow.

 

[Bill]

I'd prefer that Kirk get his own love interest and maybe have her get killed. She's someone he could see himself settling down with but she's killed in someway. She could be someone who can see through his swagger and get to his vunerable side. Her death would be one of those life changing moments that further shapes him into the Kirk was know. I'd also like to see the bond between Kirk, Spock and McCoy grow.

That's happened a lot in the original series. And I do mean a lot. You end up getting the drift that females who see the softer side of Captain Kirk and live to see another sunrise are in the minority.

I think that what they really wanted to cement and develop was that there was no other woman for Kirk than the Enterprise. He was a part of the essence of that ship in more ways than one.

 

[wiegeabo]

That's happened a lot in the original series. And I do mean a lot. You end up getting the drift that females who see the softer side of Captain Kirk and live to see another sunrise are in the minority.

I think that what they really wanted to cement and develop was that there was no other woman for Kirk than the Enterprise. He was a part of the essence of that ship in more ways than one.

And even the Enterprise died.

 

[Bill]

And even the Enterprise died.

The guy can't catch a break.

 

[Frodo]

That's happened a lot in the original series. And I do mean a lot. You end up getting the drift that females who see the softer side of Captain Kirk and live to see another sunrise are in the minority.

I think that what they really wanted to cement and develop was that there was no other woman for Kirk than the Enterprise. He was a part of the essence of that ship in more ways than one.

Really? I never watch the original show that much , but I always thought his pursuits were always on the level of Bond women. I wouldn't mind seeing it in the new films though since the new audience gained from the film for the most part hasn't seen Kirk truely fall in love.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

I finally got to see the movie here in India (delayed release)...
AND IT WAS BEAUTIFUL!!!! 10/10

My only gripe it that the movie was moving at warp-speed and should have been longer
I want the sequel to be Fellowship of The Ring long!

 

[Kent]

So, I was thinking about possible ways of including references to TNG in a Star Trek sequel, but it's kind of tricky. I did come up with one possible story line that I figure would work to do this though.

The story would have a technologically superior alien species, very easy to offend, wanting a diplomatic relationship with Earth.
Enterprise is set to meet with a representative of this species arriving in a small unarmed vessel, knowing full well that a snafu in this meeting would most likely mean full out war with this species, and thus they have to tread very carefully.
However, just as Enterprise and the alien vessel rendezvous a large amount of mysterious attack vessels drop out of warp and completely catch the Enterprise and the alien vessel off guard. Enterprise is disabled... the alien representative is killed, and the alien ship is taken by the mysterious attackers. Now the crew of the Enterprise have to go on a wild chase through the galaxy trying to track down these attackers in order to avoid war with the alien species.

The TNG reference would lie in who these attackers are... or rather who they are led by. They'd be led by a man named Soong, the father (or grandfather) of Noonien Soong (who finished the work on Data).
Soong is working to finish his android project (started by his father, Arik Soong (in the Enterprise TV-series), and he's trying to do so by stealing alien technology and reverse engineering it to see what he can learn.
He could even be played by Brent Spiner.

This might not be the best story idea, but I believe one of the ancestors of Noonien Soong would be pretty easy to include in a sequel.

 

[GL1]

On Sequel Villains

It's nice to throwback to TNG or to older ST movies, however, the key term here should be reinvention. New timelines, new events, new everything. The Klingons, with a decimated fleet have been set to come back all new all different. They should be allowed to. And they should be scary and vicious and violent (and clever) as hell. Deal with the whole honor thing a bit as well, as a nod to later/earlier versions of them. The New Kligons should be the buzz. And none of this friends turned enemies or neutering these guys into softies. Make a warrior race. It's just not that hard. Let them beat the Feds on tactics and ruthlessness and strategy. Let them lose to a mix of luck, ingenious tactics and willpower.

On Social Commentary

Obviously, this is Trek, and social commentary is part of what makes it better than other Sci Fi (biased, much?). There's the action and adventure and then there's something deeper if you have your eyes open. It's doublecoded.

That said, it doesn't have to, and should not be about the middle east or any conflict that we see constantly played out. There are conflicts that affect our lives much more profoundly than those in Palestine, and those would be more relevant and resonant themes to explore. Infighting amongst the crew could echo a family breaking up, the ubiquitous and irrational determination of the Klingons could be an ode to our systemic crime/education problem.

I think, in light of how our society is and works, that doing social commentary on world events doesn't work anymore. It can still be deep, and the commentary can still be there, but the days of preaching against other cultures should be done. Sorry. We've got our own problems a-plenty. Let your Utopia preach against these.

Kirk Growing

Obviously. All these reboots have this problem. The epic iconic characters, whether they be Batman, Bond or whoever, never seem to grow into their iconic states. They are constantly in their origin journey (or... at least for the first two films). Even as they edge closer to some of their more classic mindsets, you can't help but notice that they are still green/amateurs in some of your favorite things about the original character. Batman still thinks like Bruce Wayne, James Bond can't even spell sophistication and Captain Kirk just thinks he knows something that everyone else doesn't... instead of actually knowing.

I'd like to see him gain a more... mature confidence, however... I kinda know that's not going to happen.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

So, I was thinking about possible ways of including references to TNG in a Star Trek sequel, but it's kind of tricky. I did come up with one possible story line that I figure would work to do this though.

The story would have a technologically superior alien species, very easy to offend, wanting a diplomatic relationship with Earth.
Enterprise is set to meet with a representative of this species arriving in a small unarmed vessel, knowing full well that a snafu in this meeting would most likely mean full out war with this species, and thus they have to tread very carefully.
However, just as Enterprise and the alien vessel rendezvous a large amount of mysterious attack vessels drop out of warp and completely catch the Enterprise and the alien vessel off guard. Enterprise is disabled... the alien representative is killed, and the alien ship is taken by the mysterious attackers. Now the crew of the Enterprise have to go on a wild chase through the galaxy trying to track down these attackers in order to avoid war with the alien species.

The TNG reference would lie in who these attackers are... or rather who they are led by. They'd be led by a man named Soong, the father (or grandfather) of Noonien Soong (who finished the work on Data).
Soong is working to finish his android project (started by his father, Arik Soong (in the Enterprise TV-series), and he's trying to do so by stealing alien technology and reverse engineering it to see what he can learn.
He could even be played by Brent Spiner.

This might not be the best story idea, but I believe one of the ancestors of Noonien Soong would be pretty easy to include in a sequel.

There's no point in even referencing TNG.

TNG wasn't a success as a film franchaise.

 

[Kent]

There's no point in even referencing TNG.

TNG wasn't a success as a film franchaise.

Whatever man. TNG constitutes a quite substantial part of the Star Trek mythos and has a sizable fan base that deserves to not just get swept under the rug and ignored.

If it's possible to do, it should be referenced.

 

[That-Guy]

Star Trek: Men are from Mars, Women are from Vulcan

 

[wiegeabo]

TNG can be referenced in minor ways. Ways that don't distract non-fans or require explanation, but that fans will jump on and get the moment they hear it.

Like someone watching a newscast in the background and hearing about Soong's father winning somekind of cybernetics award.

Or someone could pour some vintage Chateau Picard for dinner.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Whatever man. TNG constitutes a quite substantial part of the Star Trek mythos and has a sizable fan base that deserves to not just get swept under the rug and ignored.

If it's possible to do, it should be referenced.

TNG was just as influential on the Star Trek universe as the original series, and there are many ways of referencing it, directly or not, that can either drive the plot, be easter eggs or simply just background material.

-The design of the Romulans in the 2009 movie has more to do with TNG than TOS; the use of the color green, for instance, and the neo-warbird design in general
-The Klingons as governed by a code of honor, rather than them being just a bunch of a-holes, is largely owed to TNG more than TOS
-The number of other races was more developed in the TNG universe, I feel: the Cardassians, Bajorans, Borg, Ferengi can all show up in the future movies and be considered a reference to TNG

 

[Kent]

TNG can be referenced in minor ways. Ways that don't distract non-fans or require explanation, but that fans will jump on and get the moment they hear it.

Like someone watching a newscast in the background and hearing about Soong's father winning somekind of cybernetics award.

Or someone could pour some vintage Chateau Picard for dinner.

I agree that TNG references shouldn't be distracting to non-fans or require more explanation than any other new material a sequel would introduce.

However, I think a Soong ancestor (for instance) could be brought in with a substantial part (for instance as a villain) without being distracting or requiring any more explanation than any other new character.

But a Soong ancestor is just one possibility. I'm sure there's other stuff you could do as well.

 

[Threshold]

Or someone could pour some vintage Chateau Picard for dinner.

I think that's where the references should begin and end.

 

[C. Lee]

One of the easiest ways to reference TNG is to have Whoopie Goldberg appeare as Guinan.

 

[Dark Knight]

Oh, absolutely! When I use the term 'love triangle' I don't mean that Kirk is going to dastardly attempt to sweep Uhura off her feet and away from Spock. I meant that Kirk and Uhura's friendship will perhaps evolve to a place where feelings are beginning to develop for one another. I think after his beat down by Spock on the bridge, the last thing Kirk would want to do is piss him off again!

Like I suggested before....having Kirk try to steal away Uhura or just being Uhuras rebound from Spock IF they were to split up, but would be a waste of storytelling time.

Carol Marcus should be introduced in the next film....and then have her and Kirk fall in love or whatever by the end of the film. They would meet and Kirk would think he can just swoop her off her feet like any other girl, but Carol is different and isn't attracted to the hot shot Starship Cowboy Captain types who are "chasing around in the universe" .(quote from Carol Marcus to Kirk in Star Trek:The Wrath of Khan)

The better way to go is to have Kirk earn her love by the end of the film.

 

[Dark Knight]

One of the easiest ways to reference TNG is to have Whoopie Goldberg appeare as Guinan.

Having any references toward TNG in the next film would be an utter mistake if JJ decided to do that unecessarily......

 

[Pink Ranger]

Having any references toward TNG in the next film would be an utter mistake if JJ decided to do that unecessarily......

If it's not a major plot point, I don't think it will be an "utter" mistake. I'm not getting why there's so much TNG hate around here; it's as significant a show to the Star Trek universe than TOS. Elder Spock himself came to the Abramverse as a result of the Bermanverse.

 

[Dark Knight]

If it's not a major plot point, I don't think it will be an "utter" mistake. I'm not getting why there's so much TNG hate around here; it's as significant a show to the Star Trek universe than TOS. Elder Spock himself came to the Abramverse as a result of the Bermanverse.

Maybe in the 3rd film there can be some references toward the TGN crew, but not in this next one.

This next film needs to concentrate on this alternate TOS universe crew for at least one more film before starting to jump around all over the place and worrying about including the other crews of the Star Trek spinoffs right away.

 

[Threshold]

I'm hoping that we see some actual exploring in the sequel as well as the development of the United Federation of Planets. We should see that Kirk has what it takes as the Captain of a vessel in the heat of battle, but maybe show him to be a fish out of water when it comes to the diplomatic side of his duties. That could give the character a good arc for the film.