Star Wars - Part 10

[DarthSkywalker]

A story changes it's shape as you write it, Luke's is the heroes journey but the pivotal character is still Vader, Obi Wan makes it clear to Luke in ANH that he was the one that joined with The Emperor to destroy the Jedi when he was turned, Luke turns him back across two movies, Vader is the integral element to both trilogies, Luke and Palpatine are the faciliatators.

The Hero's Journey is the story of Star Wars.

Vader/Anakin is not the pivotal character. Lucas tries to make him that in the prequels but only in a very obtuse way. He isn't even the main character of the first two prequel films. TPM is Qui-Gon's movie, AOTC is Obi-Wan's. Basically, he sits around for 2 and half movies waiting until it is time to become Vader. In the OT, he clearly takes a back seat to Luke. The camera follows Luke as the main focus the entire OT. This really isn't debatable.

For Luke to be simply a facilitator, he can't be the one who marks the return of the Jedi. He has to be Obi-Wan or Yoda. Luke isn't that. All of ROTJ isn't about turning Vader back, it is about Luke making his choice. Which side of the Force would he choose.

Turning Vader back isn't the pivotal moment. Luke wins the "war" against the Darkside the second he throws down his lightsaber. If anything, Vader is his tool, his blunt object. The turn was inevitable once Luke became the champion of the galaxy. Luke makes all the big choices and is the one who defies expectations and in the process brings balance. Luke is the pivotal character.

It is in the dialogue.

Luke: Then I am a Jedi.

Yoda: No. Not yet. One thing remains. Vader. You must confront Vader. Then, only then, a Jedi will you be. And confront him you will.

Vader isn't going to be the one that brings the Jedi back. He isn't the one that needs to confront anyone.

"You failed your highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me."

Think about. Before all the retcon when Yoda died, the Jedi were no more. Literally not one in the entire galaxy. Luke changed that.

Hell even the title "A New Hope" shows that it is Luke, not Anakin who is at the heart of saga.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The Hero's Journey is the story of Star Wars.

Vader/Anakin is not the pivotal character. Lucas tries to make him that in the prequels but only in a very obtuse way. He isn't even the main character of the first two prequel films. TPM is Qui-Gon's movie, AOTC is Obi-Wan's. Basically, he sits around for 2 and half movies waiting until it is time to become Vader. In the OT, he clearly takes a back seat to Luke. The camera follows Luke as the main focus the entire OT. This really isn't debatable.

For Luke to be simply a facilitator, he can't be the one who marks the return of the Jedi. He has to be Obi-Wan or Yoda. Luke isn't that. All of ROTJ isn't about turning Vader back, it is about Luke making his choice. Which side of the Force would he choose.

Turning Vader back isn't the pivotal moment. Luke wins the "war" against the Darkside the second he throws down his lightsaber. If anything, Vader is his tool, his blunt object. The turn was inevitable once Luke became the champion of the galaxy. Luke makes all the big choices and is the one who defies expectations and in the process brings balance. Luke is the pivotal character.

It is in the dialogue.



Vader isn't going to be the one that brings the Jedi back. He isn't the one that needs to confront anyone.



Think about. Before all the retcon when Yoda died, the Jedi were no more. Literally not one in the entire galaxy. Luke changed that.

Hell even the title "A New Hope" shows that it is Luke, not Anakin who is at the heart of saga.

No, Vader is still the pivotal character across the saga, Luke and Palps are the balls, Vader is the penis, so to speak.

 

[ALP]

So did any of you guys see Phantom Menace in 3D?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No, Vader is still the pivotal character across the saga, Luke and Palps are the balls, Vader is the penis, so to speak.

To put the Emperor on par with Luke makes no sense. Obi-Wan and Yoda have a far bigger role the Emperor. You also keep saying Vader. Vader isn't a character if your including the prequels. He is Anakin Skywalker's alter ego.

What exactly is your argument for Vader being the pivotal character? You keep saying it, but haven't really said why.

Luke is clearly the main character of OT. Anakin is the lead of what, one film? It is clearly Luke's journey which makes up the substance of the series. It is Luke who stands alone at the end, not Anakin who is placed next to Yoda and Obi-Wan as a reward for our hero.

 

[Hunter Rider]

To put the Emperor on par with Luke makes no sense. Obi-Wan and Yoda have a far bigger role the Emperor. You also keep saying Vader. Vader isn't a character if your including the prequels. He is Anakin Skywalker's alter ego.

What exactly is your argument for Vader being the pivotal character? You keep saying it, but haven't really said why.

Luke is clearly the main character of OT. Anakin is the lead of what, one film? It is clearly Luke's journey which makes up the substance of the series. It is Luke who stands alone at the end, not Anakin who is placed next to Yoda and Obi-Wan as a reward for our hero.

The Emperor manipulates Anakin and an entire war, he masterminds the fall of the Republic and destroys the Jedi, without him there is no journey for Luke to even go on.

Vader/Anakin is pivotal because his actions in both sagas bring about the conclusion, no matter what Palpatine does in the PT or Luke in the OT, without Anakin/Vader it's got no impact. Also Anakin was the main character in all 3 of the PT movies, his role in TPM mirrors Luke in ANH, in AOTC his love with Padme, the thing that is used to turn him, is very central, and in ROTS he turns and sets about the destruction of the Jedi and rise of The Empire.

 

[CConn]

The balls and the penis?

Really?

 

[Spider-Who?]

You can't have one without the oooooooooother.

 

[CConn]

Eugene the Unich would beg to differ.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The balls and the penis?

Really?

I suppose I could have went for bullets and the gun....

 

[Bim]

Timothy Zahn's next SW novel: Star Wars: Scoundrels

Imagine Ocean's 11, intergalactic style.

http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/Zahns_Next_Novel_SW_Scoundrels_144425.asp

Cover art.

Spoiler

OoOOh this one sounds like fun, i'm in t:

So did any of you guys see Phantom Menace in 3D?

Yes, i did!

 

[Twitch]

blah

 

[roach]

I like Luke

 

[Hunter Rider]

I wish I'd just said that lol.

 

[ALP]

I did not see Phantom Menace in 3D b/c its honestly my least favorite but I'm sure I'm see all others.

I do regret it a tad bit though, I'm a big Star Wars fan but have never seen Menace in theaters.

 

[mara]

I suppose I could have went for bullets and the gun....

No! That was perfect. lol

 

[Hellion]

Luke and Palps are the balls, Vader is the penis

Sorry Hunter...but this just made my day (a bad day a bit better)...





...That Scoundrels looks interesting, and the cover is my new wallpaper...LOL

 

[Bim]

Sorry Hunter...but this just made my day (a bad day a bit better)...

I have to agree, i cant believe i missed that reply before

 

[OptimusPrime114]

Yes, i did!

So did I. I felt like I was reliving my childhood.

 

[OptimusPrime114]

I'm gonna watch The Hunger Games tomorrow.

I found this on Deviantart. It's set during Catching Fire, on pages 96-97. They're totally ripping off ESB in this scene!

 

[Kurosawa]

There is only one truth about this entire Star Wars thing. Even as Lucas made the prequels and the vast majority of the EU insults what has come before, Luke Skywalker is everything good and right about SW. There is a reason why the story didn't click until he existed. To simply get rid of the heart of the entire story is nonsensical.

Vader's redemption, the balance of the Force, the victory of the Rebel Alliance and the return of the Jedi all hinge on Luke and the man he is. Change him in anyway and it doesn't work.


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On a similar note, can someone explain to me why exactly the likes of Luke Skywalker and Harry Potter are seemingly pushed aside, even by fans of their series? No two characters in either series are more fully realized, likable, genuine, or tragic. But all you ever get is how cool Han or Bobo is, about how Snape is so misunderstood.

All I ever read about how Luke is how he is too whining and that he is bland. Do people actually watch these films? It is just false. He is whiny for about 10 minutes in the first film. You see signs of it in Empire, but it ties directly into his frustration in his training. He certainly gets it beat out of him by the end of Empire.

His arc is... everything. Luke is the only one who is truly able to find some kind of truth in the will of the Force. By the end of ROTJ he surpasses even Yoda in his knowledge of the Force, becoming the greatest of all Jedi and the thing is, he earns it. The forging of Luke Skywalker, Jedi Knight is what SW is all about. It is why there is the OT and then everything else.

I like the prequels, but even in them, to me the main character is Luke...because every mistake Anakin makes is reflected in a better choice that Luke made later on. Luke is along with Superman and King Arthur, my favorite hero in all of fiction. I like my good guys to be good guys, and Luke is one of the best.

I think people finding characters like Luke and Superman and Harry Potter bland just reflects a loss of morality in modern society. Heroes should be heroic and pure. Even Harry could be more pure than he is.

 

[CConn]

I don't think people find Harry Potter bland due to his morality, I think its purely due to JK Rowling just didn't imbibe him with a particularly likable personality.

I've asked multiple big Harry Potter fans if they actually like Harry Potter as a character and every time the response has been silence followed by "Y'know, I never thought about that."

 

[8wid]

I would like to see the character of Starkiller developed outside of the Force Unleashed. Sam Witwer could do the live action performance. Thing is, should he be fighting for the Rebel Alliance or going rogue on his own to draw attention away from Darth Vader?

 

[Splat]

I thought Sam was great as the voice of Darth Maul in the Clone Wars season finale.

 

[Erzengel]

I always liked how they took Luke from a naive farm boy to secure Jedi Knight. He was always one of my favorite characters. I use to jump off diving boards and grabbing the end.

I liked Harry Potter but I don't think I was ever "emotionally invested". I liked the movies even though the ending was....eh.

 

[The Caped Knight]

There is only one truth about this entire Star Wars thing. Even as Lucas made the prequels and the vast majority of the EU insults what has come before, Luke Skywalker is everything good and right about SW. There is a reason why the story didn't click until he existed. To simply get rid of the heart of the entire story is nonsensical.

Vader's redemption, the balance of the Force, the victory of the Rebel Alliance and the return of the Jedi all hinge on Luke and the man he is. Change him in anyway and it doesn't work.


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On a similar note, can someone explain to me why exactly the likes of Luke Skywalker and Harry Potter are seemingly pushed aside, even by fans of their series? No two characters in either series are more fully realized, likable, genuine, or tragic. But all you ever get is how cool Han or Bobo is, about how Snape is so misunderstood.

All I ever read about how Luke is how he is too whining and that he is bland. Do people actually watch these films? It is just false. He is whiny for about 10 minutes in the first film. You see signs of it in Empire, but it ties directly into his frustration in his training. He certainly gets it beat out of him by the end of Empire.

His arc is... everything. Luke is the only one who is truly able to find some kind of truth in the will of the Force. By the end of ROTJ he surpasses even Yoda in his knowledge of the Force, becoming the greatest of all Jedi and the thing is, he earns it. The forging of Luke Skywalker, Jedi Knight is what SW is all about. It is why there is the OT and then everything else.

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Luke is my favorite character in the Star Wars universe.