The Last Jedi Star Wars: The Last Jedi Hypesters Review Thread [TAG SPOILERS!]

It was my 2nd most anticipated movie of the year, after Blade Runner 2049, and TLJ was garbage. I'd take an age to list all the problems, so i'll just list the highlights.

1) Mark Hamill's performance was stellar


That's it. The only thing i liked about the movie.
 
I was hoping a 3rd viewing would really help me enjoy this movie as I know all of the things to expect now. But it just makes the poorer aspects all the more disappointing.

Unfortunately, don’t think I will ever completely take to this movie. And it’s the worst of the 3 Disney SW so far for me.
 
I was hoping a 3rd viewing would really help me enjoy this movie as I know all of the things to expect now. But it just makes the poorer aspects all the more disappointing.

Unfortunately, don’t think I will ever completely take to this movie. And it’s the worst of the 3 Disney SW so far for me.

The sad thing is that it's produced pretty darn well. The shots are cool, the acting is okay, the effects are good, and it's had a lot of great Star Wars moments. The entire problem is at the story level. They could and should have been able to see the warning signs at the script stage... right at the start.
Disney has such a good record with Marvel. It's sad to find that Lucasfilm branch doesn't seem to get it nearly as well. And now, no doubt they'll just erase TLJ with the new film. It'll be a two steps forward, one step back approach, similar to WB/DC.
 
I'm very late to the thread, but thought I'd come in and vote. I was thinking, and I honestly couldn't give it higher than a 3, for several reasons.

First, I was actually enjoying the new trilogy after the first movie. Was The Force Awakens without it's flaws? Most definitely not, it was flawed, but it made me have hope this new trilogy had potential. This film flat out killed that enthusiasm. Unless I hear good things, I don't see myself watching the third film day one, in IMAX 3D, like I did the other two. If at all. I honestly feel like the balloon deflated, as I just don't have the drive to watch it. The trailers, and word of mouth have a lot of work to do to reignite my excitement for this trilogy.

Second, it felt like they just don't get the older characters. I can get over Leia suddenly having strong force powers. However Luke, just didn't seem like Luke. None of the changes progressed him forward as a character. Luke is supposed to represent hope. This Luke was paranoid, dark, reclusive, and mostly unredeemable. You have to work hard to turn Luke from the original trilogy into a teacher who temporarily thought about killing his student out of fear. Hid and shut himself off from the force, and gave up on his student at the end. I really expected a speech about how he felt Kylo could still be redeemed.

Third, all of the pointless things. Just like the pod racing scene in the first trilogy, I felt 90% of the casino planet portion of the film was forced filler. It was out of place with the timing, and boring. Or the introduction of new characters who did so little, and had no real presence or impact. Killing Snoke off already, without any explanation of who he was, or why he turned Kylo, despite building him up in the last film. Yes, that move is different, but it's not necessarily good because it's different. It simply wasted a plot point, and mystery the first film had built up, and replaced it with...?

I don't know, I could ramble on with more on the third point, then rattle off a 4-10. I won't bore you guys. I just honestly disliked this movie. I rank it on the same level as Episode 1, I really do. I walked away from this movie bored, and disappointed, which is exactly how I walked away from Episode 1. I feel bad that this movie was the send off for Luke, and Leia. RIP Carry Fisher. Unless they try to CGI her in again, which just made me feel akward the last time they did it.
 
I'm watching this film at the moment. About 15-20 minutes in. It seems rather boring like Attack of the Clones was boring. Is it like that for the whole movie? It seems dull. The Force Awakens was more interesting and brighter, and seemed to have more adventure even at the start.
 
However Luke, just didn't seem like Luke. None of the changes progressed him forward as a character. Luke is supposed to represent hope. This Luke was paranoid, dark, reclusive, and mostly unredeemable. You have to work hard to turn Luke from the original trilogy into a teacher who temporarily thought about killing his student out of fear. Hid and shut himself off from the force, and gave up on his student at the end. I really expected a speech about how he felt Kylo could still be redeemed.

Some have called this a fanboy criticism, but I'm sorry - this is what made the story unworkable for me. Luke was my boyhood hero. I spent many nights watching and reading about his adventures. And I'm sorry... whoever that was in TLJ... it just wasn't Luke. Certainly not the hopeful Luke I always knew. They literally took the character's strongest attributes, and reversed them. How am I supposed to take that?

Now others have said that I'm taking it personally, and if you swear off the history, then TLJ was a consistent, thoughtful, and compelling film. That may be... I have no way of taking away my own personal bias.

But however you see it, TLJ essentially made the originals unnecessary. Anakin didn't achieve anything. Neither did Luke. In fact, Luke's lasting contribution, now, is that he undid his father's one redeeming act. We can now confidently say that the universe would have been better off without the Skywalker's, and I'm sorry... I just have a hard time enjoying a movie that does that to Luke and the original movies that I loved.

I applaud them for trying something new, but not at the expense of the old. You shouldn't have to destroy and tear down the old movies to make these new movies work.
 
Positive thoughts you say?
The Last Jedi is a really good movie IMO.
Really?

So tired of TLJ discourse.
Is that so?

This review is meant specifically for every fan of this terrible movie.......


START

Poe Dameron is the only character that has a good sense, and then maybe Finn. The rest of the characters are boneheads and their decisions make no sense most of the time. Simply put... it s the Star Wars equivalent of Prometheus (that stupid Alien prequel from 2012 where all the characters that are not Charlize Theron lack any good sense).

Po distracts the first order for an attack on them, idiot troops under his command choose to move from the front where they are open to attack, they lose, they die, the first order wins and Po gets scolded for being distracting by Leia and Vice Admiral useless idiot. Characters are dumb, this scene explains everything that is wrong with it.

Why? How? Characters are suicidal. Rose stops Finn from destroying the enemy cannon by pushing him from ending his life to destroy it and she dies risking more people.

How did Benicio Del Toro's character know the details of a plan he was not privy to at all? And give all details to the first order to betray Finn and Rose? Reason is they want something to happen with the plot.

Who is left in charge when Leia is in a coma? The dumb Vice Admiral character who makes decisions fatal to their troops and......

Why did Kylo Rinn smash his cool looking helmet? Because his boss told him it's stupid and he should take it off, he also said that he's useless, but Kylo shattered it more for the former.

How are the new Jedi powers a thing? How do they not know each other's locations? What? Where? Why? Who knows?

Luke tried to kill Kylo cause there is darkness within him, yaaaayyyyy. And now there are fan theories that suggest Rey will move to the Dark Side after this movie giving no reason to that, and Luke not trying to kill her for the darkness within will only make his revelation with Ben worse if it was true.


This movie is good? Really? Seriously? It's one of the worst blockbusters made in this decade, heck, this century, and with movies like Transformers, , three of the DCEU movies being as horrid as they are, and boring Disney remakes of good animated films is an achievement to behold.
 
It's been two years, why can't people let this go? A movie came out that you didn't like, get over it.
 
I wanted a safe space to share what I think of the movie with these two comments above.
 
A safe space? Literally every SW forum is composed of more TLJ haters than lovers, it shoudn't be that hard to find like-minded people.
 
More and more do I think Rian Johnson basically did a decent job here and got a bad rap over Last Jedi. At least for the most part.

More than anything, making Rey a "nobody" was the right move.
 
Just watched this for the second time since seeing it opening night and man, it's worse than I remembered. The Throne Room scene and the climactic battle are solid, visually it is pretty great (at times) but there's a lot of crap and the sublot with Finn and Rose is basically pointless.
 
Just watched this for the second time since seeing it opening night and man, it's worse than I remembered. The Throne Room scene and the climactic battle are solid, visually it is pretty great (at times) but there's a lot of crap and the sublot with Finn and Rose is basically pointless.

The throne room scene is about the only one I remember, although for JJ getting so much crap for “remaking A New Hope”, Johnson remade the throne room scene from The Return of the Jedi, even down to some dialogue and giving Snoke the Emperor’s theme music.
 
Okay, someone asked me why I don't like The Last Jedi, so here it is. Be careful what you wish for? Maybe, I don't know.


In general, I don't think movies need to work as sequels to movies that they're a sequel of as long as they work in their own right. I didn't think The Force Awakens was a good sequel to the original trilogy because they separated Han and Leia for years and had Han killed by his son, and it's just not where I would have wanted those characters to end up based on how things ended in Return of the Jedi. However, The Force Awakens was a good movie with good characters of its own, and even to the extent that it used Han, he worked within that movie as this old pilot guy who Rey bonds with who's tied to Kylo without needing to depend upon my attachment to his appearances from the older movies. That movie generally held up as its own thing.

So The Last Jedi was in no position to be a good follow-up to Return of the Jedi, but it didn't have to be. At least in terms of grading it, I didn't expect it to do right by Luke or any of the other original trilogy characters. However, I do think that when you have a story told over multiple films, like A New Hope-The Empire Strikes Back-Return of the Jedi or Fellowship of the Ring-The Two Towers-Return of the King, a sequel within that arc doesn't have the luxury of being judged as its own thing and ignoring the previous movies in the same arc. The Two Towers can't just say that the ring isn't actually that big of a deal and have the characters all go back to the Prancing Pony and get drunk. It's The Last Jedi's job as a movie to continue what The Force Awakens started, so what was good about The Force Awakens matters.

I liked Rey and Finn together in The Force Awakens and wanted the movies to continue on that path, so separating them in The Last Jedi, all but ignoring it, and having Rey fall for Kylo, not so good. Rey's parents being nobody, not so good. Not exploring Snoke at all, not so good. Making a joke out of the final moment of The Force Awakens, not so good. Even if I was judging The Last Jedi all on its own, I wouldn't like it, but instead of being a self-contained movie that's bleh all on its own, it takes something that I already really like, messes it all up, and kills any momentum it has. It doesn't do its job as a middle chapter whatsoever.

Kylo in the first movie was this kind of pathetic, self-doubting Vader wannabe who gets his a** handed to him by this new force user. There also seems to be some thinly veiled sexual symbolism, where he's got this really big lightsaber, like maybe he's over-compensating for something, and he finally gets his chance with a girl, and he wants her to be into him, but he can't seem to perform. With his lightsaber, I mean. He wants to stab her with his big lightsaber, but it's just not going according to plan.

So okay, he gets humilated by this girl who's never picked up a lightsaber before, and that worked for me because that's Kylo's whole thing. Yeah, okay, Rey is awesome, but he also comes off as just not very good at this Sith thing, certainly not where he's any sort of competition for her. But then in The Last Jedi, that's not how it is, because according to Snoke it was actually because he was distracted that night from killing his father. Even though Snoke is criticizing Kylo in this scene for being emotional, he wants it to be clear that normally Kylo is really good at performing with his lightsaber, and he just had a bad night. They might have forgetten to mention in the previous movie that he's a cool, brooding antihero who's just as good at this force thing as Rey is, but he totally is, and if she rejected his interest in the last movie it's only because she didn't know yet how totally awesome and hot she thinks he is.

But here's the thing. Not only did I not know any of this while I was watching The Force Awakens, but Adam Driver didn't know it while acting in The Force Awakens, because that isn't the role he was tasked to play. So after he plays Kylo as this uncool guy with an inferiority complex, they have him play that same guy but sell him as cool and hot and whatever, and it just doesn't work because Kylo wasn't designed to be suited to that. I don't see how he's cool or intimidating or romantic lead potential. It isn't Adam Driver's fault, they just flipped Kylo's characterization on him. What I think they should have done is have him be angry and embarrassed after being defeated by Rey and fixated on proving he's as good as her. Maybe he trains more. Maybe he starts getting reckless in his attempts to beat her at any cost. Maybe he takes a page from Vader and starts adding artificial parts to himself that are supposed to make him stronger, pushing his body as far as it can go, losing more and more of himself because he can't accept that he's not the best. That could have been interesting. Instead, he's a pale, lifeless imitation of a brooding antihero. The romance between them is terrible.

Rey in The Force Awakens is the best Jedi ever, and I'm cool with that, but if you're going to do that, you should own it. Don't retroactively undercut her victories to prop up villains, just scale the action to her abilities. Have her face five Sith at once if you need to. Have her face twenty Sith. Have her take down a Star Destroyer bare-handed, I don't care, but just don't b******t me and tell me she isn't the best. I figured she was supposed to be the chosen one, and that's why she's so awesome. I know, they said it was Anakin, but Anakin didn't balance the force, because he didn't take out Snoke.

If you do present a Sith as being more powerful than Rey, then I would hope it's for a good reason, like presenting her with a challenge that she has to grow in her abilities to overcome. So naturally, they had Snoke toss Rey around like a rag doll to demonstrate how much more powerful he is (at this time, she'll be more powerful later, because she's the best), only to then kill him off minutes later by having him also conveniently be a moron. So...yeah, The Last Jedi killed off the most powerful Sith we've ever seen quickly and through his own stupidity, leaving boring-a** Kylo with his stone-faced angst and his newfound unremarkable-in-any-way competence.

I don't think the movie should have spent so much time on Luke (or Leia). Like I said, I wasn't looking for this to be a good sequel to the original trilogy, so Luke is basically this movie's Yoda, except less charming and amusing and honestly kind of creepy, especially where alien milk is involved. It seems like this movie's as much about Luke as anyone, and I'm here for a continuation of the characters I was following in The Force Awakens. To me, it's like if The Empire Strikes Back was largely about Yoda dealing with his issues from Revenge of the Sith. Rey doesn't get much to do here except for the sucky romance. I think if they weren't going to do more with her training, they should have gotten her in and out of there more quickly and moved on with things. I will say that Mark Hamill's acting has improved a lot since the early movies.

I think Poe and Finn and Rose (who wasn't an interesting character) can fail, but I don't think they should have been the direct cause of the rebellion being decimated, and Holdo's behavior there didn't make sense, I'll leave it at that. The hacker guy they got was sleazy and seemingly bad from the start, so his turning out bad was not a good twist. Leia flying was kind of over the top. When I first heard it described, it didn't sound that bad, and then I saw it and it was pretty bad. The Chewbacca and Porgs scene was...weird, I don't get the point of it. The Porgs didn't seem as cute in the movie as it seemed they would be beforehand. I don't think Rian Johnson's style is well suited to cute mascots, because BB-8 didn't seem as cute here as in The Force Awakens, either, and him controlling the AT-ST was...not needed. For a movie that aims for humor more than the other Star Wars movies, it wasn't very funny. I liked the part about Jaaku being nowhere, that's the only joke I remember that stands out.

On a more positive note, my favorite scene was the battle with Snoke's guards. Aside from how much I think it contributed to the movie as a cool action scene, well shot, varied weapons, good tension, I always thought the imperial guards in Return of the Jedi were cool, and they never did anything, so it was nice seeing something like that play out in a movie. That's the one thing I'll really look back on fondly from The Last Jedi. There were good visuals and good action. I thought the fight between Rey and Luke was well done, it was just that she was fighting over something stupid. When the vehicles skated over the surface of Crait, and it showed red because the dust was cleared away, I thought that was neat. It was nice that Phasma got a better death scene. I liked Rose's sister while she was there. I didn't have a problem with the acting in general, they worked with what they were given. It's just...a really bad movie. There's a big jump in quality from all the other Star Wars movies (not counting the Ewok movies or the animated one, which I haven't seen) down to this one. Everything else I give a 7 out of 10 or higher, but this is a 2 out of 10.
 
Okay, someone asked me why I don't like The Last Jedi, so here it is. Be careful what you wish for? Maybe, I don't know.


In general, I don't think movies need to work as sequels to movies that they're a sequel of as long as they work in their own right. I didn't think The Force Awakens was a good sequel to the original trilogy because they separated Han and Leia for years and had Han killed by his son, and it's just not where I would have wanted those characters to end up based on how things ended in Return of the Jedi. However, The Force Awakens was a good movie with good characters of its own, and even to the extent that it used Han, he worked within that movie as this old pilot guy who Rey bonds with who's tied to Kylo without needing to depend upon my attachment to his appearances from the older movies. That movie generally held up as its own thing.

So The Last Jedi was in no position to be a good follow-up to Return of the Jedi, but it didn't have to be. At least in terms of grading it, I didn't expect it to do right by Luke or any of the other original trilogy characters. However, I do think that when you have a story told over multiple films, like A New Hope-The Empire Strikes Back-Return of the Jedi or Fellowship of the Ring-The Two Towers-Return of the King, a sequel within that arc doesn't have the luxury of being judged as its own thing and ignoring the previous movies in the same arc. The Two Towers can't just say that the ring isn't actually that big of a deal and have the characters all go back to the Prancing Pony and get drunk. It's The Last Jedi's job as a movie to continue what The Force Awakens started, so what was good about The Force Awakens matters.

I liked Rey and Finn together in The Force Awakens and wanted the movies to continue on that path, so separating them in The Last Jedi, all but ignoring it, and having Rey fall for Kylo, not so good. Rey's parents being nobody, not so good. Not exploring Snoke at all, not so good. Making a joke out of the final moment of The Force Awakens, not so good. Even if I was judging The Last Jedi all on its own, I wouldn't like it, but instead of being a self-contained movie that's bleh all on its own, it takes something that I already really like, messes it all up, and kills any momentum it has. It doesn't do its job as a middle chapter whatsoever.

Kylo in the first movie was this kind of pathetic, self-doubting Vader wannabe who gets his a** handed to him by this new force user. There also seems to be some thinly veiled sexual symbolism, where he's got this really big lightsaber, like maybe he's over-compensating for something, and he finally gets his chance with a girl, and he wants her to be into him, but he can't seem to perform. With his lightsaber, I mean. He wants to stab her with his big lightsaber, but it's just not going according to plan.

So okay, he gets humilated by this girl who's never picked up a lightsaber before, and that worked for me because that's Kylo's whole thing. Yeah, okay, Rey is awesome, but he also comes off as just not very good at this Sith thing, certainly not where he's any sort of competition for her. But then in The Last Jedi, that's not how it is, because according to Snoke it was actually because he was distracted that night from killing his father. Even though Snoke is criticizing Kylo in this scene for being emotional, he wants it to be clear that normally Kylo is really good at performing with his lightsaber, and he just had a bad night. They might have forgetten to mention in the previous movie that he's a cool, brooding antihero who's just as good at this force thing as Rey is, but he totally is, and if she rejected his interest in the last movie it's only because she didn't know yet how totally awesome and hot she thinks he is.

But here's the thing. Not only did I not know any of this while I was watching The Force Awakens, but Adam Driver didn't know it while acting in The Force Awakens, because that isn't the role he was tasked to play. So after he plays Kylo as this uncool guy with an inferiority complex, they have him play that same guy but sell him as cool and hot and whatever, and it just doesn't work because Kylo wasn't designed to be suited to that. I don't see how he's cool or intimidating or romantic lead potential. It isn't Adam Driver's fault, they just flipped Kylo's characterization on him. What I think they should have done is have him be angry and embarrassed after being defeated by Rey and fixated on proving he's as good as her. Maybe he trains more. Maybe he starts getting reckless in his attempts to beat her at any cost. Maybe he takes a page from Vader and starts adding artificial parts to himself that are supposed to make him stronger, pushing his body as far as it can go, losing more and more of himself because he can't accept that he's not the best. That could have been interesting. Instead, he's a pale, lifeless imitation of a brooding antihero. The romance between them is terrible.

Rey in The Force Awakens is the best Jedi ever, and I'm cool with that, but if you're going to do that, you should own it. Don't retroactively undercut her victories to prop up villains, just scale the action to her abilities. Have her face five Sith at once if you need to. Have her face twenty Sith. Have her take down a Star Destroyer bare-handed, I don't care, but just don't b******t me and tell me she isn't the best. I figured she was supposed to be the chosen one, and that's why she's so awesome. I know, they said it was Anakin, but Anakin didn't balance the force, because he didn't take out Snoke.

If you do present a Sith as being more powerful than Rey, then I would hope it's for a good reason, like presenting her with a challenge that she has to grow in her abilities to overcome. So naturally, they had Snoke toss Rey around like a rag doll to demonstrate how much more powerful he is (at this time, she'll be more powerful later, because she's the best), only to then kill him off minutes later by having him also conveniently be a moron. So...yeah, The Last Jedi killed off the most powerful Sith we've ever seen quickly and through his own stupidity, leaving boring-a** Kylo with his stone-faced angst and his newfound unremarkable-in-any-way competence.

I don't think the movie should have spent so much time on Luke (or Leia). Like I said, I wasn't looking for this to be a good sequel to the original trilogy, so Luke is basically this movie's Yoda, except less charming and amusing and honestly kind of creepy, especially where alien milk is involved. It seems like this movie's as much about Luke as anyone, and I'm here for a continuation of the characters I was following in The Force Awakens. To me, it's like if The Empire Strikes Back was largely about Yoda dealing with his issues from Revenge of the Sith. Rey doesn't get much to do here except for the sucky romance. I think if they weren't going to do more with her training, they should have gotten her in and out of there more quickly and moved on with things. I will say that Mark Hamill's acting has improved a lot since the early movies.

I think Poe and Finn and Rose (who wasn't an interesting character) can fail, but I don't think they should have been the direct cause of the rebellion being decimated, and Holdo's behavior there didn't make sense, I'll leave it at that. The hacker guy they got was sleazy and seemingly bad from the start, so his turning out bad was not a good twist. Leia flying was kind of over the top. When I first heard it described, it didn't sound that bad, and then I saw it and it was pretty bad. The Chewbacca and Porgs scene was...weird, I don't get the point of it. The Porgs didn't seem as cute in the movie as it seemed they would be beforehand. I don't think Rian Johnson's style is well suited to cute mascots, because BB-8 didn't seem as cute here as in The Force Awakens, either, and him controlling the AT-ST was...not needed. For a movie that aims for humor more than the other Star Wars movies, it wasn't very funny. I liked the part about Jaaku being nowhere, that's the only joke I remember that stands out.

On a more positive note, my favorite scene was the battle with Snoke's guards. Aside from how much I think it contributed to the movie as a cool action scene, well shot, varied weapons, good tension, I always thought the imperial guards in Return of the Jedi were cool, and they never did anything, so it was nice seeing something like that play out in a movie. That's the one thing I'll really look back on fondly from The Last Jedi. There were good visuals and good action. I thought the fight between Rey and Luke was well done, it was just that she was fighting over something stupid. When the vehicles skated over the surface of Crait, and it showed red because the dust was cleared away, I thought that was neat. It was nice that Phasma got a better death scene. I liked Rose's sister while she was there. I didn't have a problem with the acting in general, they worked with what they were given. It's just...a really bad movie. There's a big jump in quality from all the other Star Wars movies (not counting the Ewok movies or the animated one, which I haven't seen) down to this one. Everything else I give a 7 out of 10 or higher, but this is a 2 out of 10.

Agree with pretty much all of this. Johnson didn't leave ANY of the characters in interesting places by the end either. I think he is a good film maker, but he just screwed the pooch here big time. I said it in 2017 after seeing TLJ. It regressed things that much it felt like we needed another movie between TLJ and TROS. And it seems TROS suffers from that judging by the reviews.
 
I think he left Rey and Kylo in very interesting and unexpected places.
Rey had to learn how to become her own person, not defined by her lineage or some greater meaning, but simply who she was and what she did.

Kylo broke free from this historical circle in Star Wars films of the villain always looking up to some sort of master who pulls the strings. He'd gotten rid of him, and now it was up to Kylo to go somewhere with it.

I'd argue he left both of them in really interesting places, it's just that JJ had no interest in following either of these roads and just went back to basics.
 

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