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Yeah, I definitely think people will have a change of heart for the Prequels (I'll always hate AOTC though, because it's boring as hell) & Indy 4.

Especially Indy 4, people need to realize that aliens were in it to be like a 50's B-movie which usually had over the top sci-fi things in it. Just like how the first 3 felt like 30's serials.

I'm sorry but there will in no way be some kind of critical re-evaluation of KOTCS in years to come. The problem wasn't the aliens(which I liked as a concept in IJ)the problem was it was generally unexciting and had no iconic moments of adventure.
Raiders had too many to mention; Temple of doom finishes off with the amazing mine-cart ride going into the fantastic rope bridge sequence; Last Crusade had the tests of faith and the memorable 'He chose...poorly' chalice scene.
Crystal skull had...Indy and his mates running down a flight of stairs from some natives, that was the height of excitement there, nothing happened.
Before that we had some sub-par jungle chase scenes(compared to the 3 previous entries) that looked fake in places and had ridiculous monkey swinging madness.

I think if we're all being honest, the one scene that will be be talked about above all others from Crystal Skull is the fridge surviving the nuke scene, no question. I liked that scene, thought it was funny and outrageous. But most folk will talk about it as being a joke, that it is the most memorable scene from teh movie refelcts badly on the rest.

The thing is , people were hard on ToD when it came out because it was dark, and not as good as Raiders, after time they realised, so what, it had awsome parts, the opening sequence, the spooky village, chilled monkey brains, mine carts, rope bridge.

The same with the SW prequels, no amount of time can disguise the fact that the young Darth Vader was a mis-fire of potential. Bad dialoge and bad acting, the whole trilogy swung around him.
Time will not be kind to Jar-Jar binks either, about teh only thing going for him was that he was the first fully integrated CGI character on film. In ten years time he'll look even worse than he's looking today compared to Gollum.

Adverse reactions to Empire perhaps came about because folk were all set to give SW a good kicking after the almost universal praise the 1st one got. Critics trying to make a name for themselves. Saying there is too much emphasis on sfx when it's this kind of movie? Hilarious.
That's a problem I had with the criticism of the prequel's CGI being souless, it wasn't the sfx that were souless, it was the stilted dialoge and acting, the sfx were great.

If anything the reps of the prequels and KOTCS will get worse over time.
I even think Lucas and co now realise the mistakes they made. Look how quickly they're trying to get another Indy movie out after the decades of procastination over the last one. They want to go out on a good one.
And all this talk of the new live action SW series being like the Sopranos', like a 'HBO series'. They want to make a drama that the adults can get into as much as the kids, like the OT.
I'm hoping both ventures are a vast improvement.

As for reviews of ROTJ, they were right. It' sfun, but the Ewoks are just not as effective as watching Rebels fighting Stormtroopers, you can't take it as seriously at all. It's a bit of a joke, one that you can get into when you're a kid. All it does is make the Stormtroopers into a joke too. If they were going to make it this way with some real good fighting little bears, they should have had more Ewoks like the scary looking guy who is poking solo at the start of their encounter. Have more of them getting viscious with the troopers and grabbing their guns and equipment.
The first idea was for it to be wookies, but it was not pheasable budget wise and practically I think. They would have had to completely shut down the basketball leagues for a season to get the required amount of Wookies I think.
 
If anything the reps of the prequels and KOTCS will get worse over time.
I even think Lucas and co now realise the mistakes they made. Look how quickly they're trying to get another Indy movie out after the decades of procastination over the last one. They want to go out on a good one.
Or maybe they realized that Harrison wont be able to do the action packed movies forever, so if they're gonna do another one they should get on it before he gets a lot older, and also they saw people still have an appetite for Indy and want to take advantage of that.

One week to go until CW season 2 premiere :awesome:
 
Or maybe they realized that Harrison wont be able to do the action packed movies forever, so if they're gonna do another one they should get on it before he gets a lot older, and also they saw people still have an appetite for Indy and want to take advantage of that.

Yeah, I'd say that was true also. But, it doesn't change the fact that KOTCS does not measure up to the previous 3 entries when it comes to memorable exciting action, and we should all be hoping that the makers of that film are honest with themselves and recognise that too.
 
Yeah, I'd say that was true also. But, it doesn't change the fact that KOTCS does not measure up to the previous 3 entries when it comes to memorable exciting action, and we should all be hoping that the makers of that film recognise that too.
Sorry, but that's ur opinion. I personally think it measures just fine. It's a little different in terms of setting it in the 50's and that changed some aspects of it, but to me the essence of Indy is still there. I personally think that the motorcycle sequence is awesome (and typical Indy), the cemetery scene, even the jungle scene had me going. And the ending sequence with the flying saucer still blows my mind.

Erzengel: i'd get Obi-Wan's for sure! wow those look cool :woot:

BTW, Happy bday to Luke Skywalker aka Mark Hammill, who celebrates his 58th bday today :yay:
 
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Sorry, but that's ur opinion. I personally think it measures just fine. It's a little different in terms of setting it in the 50's and that changed some aspects of it, but to me the essence of Indy is still there. I personally think that the motorcycle sequence is awesome (and typical Indy), the cemetery scene, even the jungle scene had me going. And the ending sequence with the flying saucer still blows my mind.

Yeah, you enjoyed them, so did I when I watched the movie, but were any of them truly highlights of the series?
I think Indy is still there, Harrison ford was the best thing about the movie.
And the ufo scene is a visual, a good one, but the fact is(not opinion in this case) that there is no action sequences in the last act of the movie when they get to the lost city.
We go through the whole movie wanting to get to this place and are served up with nothing for Indy to do and nothing much for the audience to see.

The ufo was nice, but I've seen that kind of thing before in movies, it just happened to have Indy Jone standing there.
Compare that to the opening of the Ark for a final visual, I'd never seen anything like that in a movie, and still haven't seen anything like that to compare it to.

Ok, I can understand someone thinking the bike chase is as good as the one in Last Crusade, I don't think it is, my opinion. But, I don't think either of those bike chases were highlights of the series.
But I'd have a hard time understanding that someone got anywhere near as as much of a kick out of the Jungle chase in CS as they did with the one in Raiders.

I'm not saying i didn't enjoy watching a new Indy Jones movie, this is just my opinion on why it doesn't measure up to teh previous entries.
 
david icke: the thing for me though is that when i watch an Indy movie, i dont sit around comparing it to the other one. When i watched TOD for the first time i didnt compare it to Raiders. In that sense, i'm able to enjoy each movie for what they are. And i wouldnt want the movies to be carbon copies of each other, i dont think they are. They each bring something that adds to the franchise in my book. And for me yeah, KOTCS has some memorable sequences, more so than some of the other movies. So it's just a matter of personal preference in the end i think.

Erzengel: i might be tempted to walk around wearing it if i ever bought myself a cloak :hehe:
 
david icke: the thing for me though is that when i watch an Indy movie, i dont sit around comparing it to the other one. When i watched TOD for the first time i didnt compare it to Raiders. In that sense, i'm able to enjoy each movie for what they are. And i wouldnt want the movies to be carbon copies of each other, i dont think they are. They each bring something that adds to the franchise in my book. And for me yeah, KOTCS has some memorable sequences, more so than some of the other movies. So it's just a matter of personal preference in the end i think.

Ok, fair enough.
don't get me wrong, I didn't sit analytically analysing KOTCS when I watched it. It was only afterwards when I knew I didn't get the thrill I did out of the other movies that I tried to figure out why and came up with some conclusions.
I saw ToD first, at the cinema, blew me away. then I saw Raiders on tv, blew me even more away. When Last Crusade came out, I was honestly prepared for a movie that wasn't that good, I didn't think they'd be able to sustain that level of excitement and intrigue. But they did, to my surprise.
Unfortunately I didn't feel this way about CS, there are moments I really liked,(the opening sequence including fridge escape, starting the fight in the greaser bar, the bike chase esp skidding into the library on the motorbike), but on the whole I found it underwhelming. I was very glad that Harrison Ford's performance still measured up though in my estimation.
anyway, Star Wars thread, as you said , Happy Birthday Mark Hamill.
 
There were alot of memorable moments in KOTCS. Love it or hate it, you will always remember the fridge scene. It's awesome. Classic INdy getting out of tight situations and at the last second improvising in a funny and clever way. The diner/motorcycle chase was great too. Real stunts.

And Indy blowing the dart back into the dude's face was classic Indy. Probably the most unpredictable thing he's ever done.
 
There were alot of memorable moments in KOTCS. Love it or hate it, you will always remember the fridge scene. It's awesome. Classic INdy getting out of tight situations and at the last second improvising in a funny and clever way. The diner/motorcycle chase was great too. Real stunts.

And Indy blowing the dart back into the dude's face was classic Indy. Probably the most unpredictable thing he's ever done.

The UFO destroying Akator is epic. So many people complained about the elements they didn't like in the film, they forgot about the good things inside.
 
I like the scene. It may be a bit too much for me though. I would of kept the alien more ambiguous, shrouded in mist only it's eyes you could really see.

But thank God we didn't see the flying saucer fly away. I could of done without the flying saucer to be honest.
 
Lucky for me I've never really been an Indy fan... saves me the trouble of being disappointed with KOTCS. All I ever hear is how cheesy it is.
 
1. ... You haven't seen it?

2. Why the hell AREN'T you in Indy fan???
 
And Indy blowing the dart back into the dude's face was classic Indy. Probably the most unpredictable thing he's ever done.

Yeah, I liked that moment, although I wouldn't say it was his most unpredictable thing. I think that award has to go to blowing the swordsman away in Raiders.
Any time I recall having sat with someone and it's their first time watching Raiders they don't expect that one.
They were supposed to do a big intricate action set piece with that guy for that scene, but something happened and they couldn't do it, so I think it was Harrison Ford who suggested just to shoot him.
Ford's full of the great suggestions that end up being memorable. It was his idea to go with the 'I know.' response to Leia's 'I love you.'
I'm glad they didn't go with his suggestion to kill off solo in ROTJ, that would have been a tad depressing, and it would have been a trifle disturbing to see Chewbacca's reaction. If he tears legs and arms off when he loses at chess, who knows what he would have been like, movie would've probably had to be moved up to a 15 if he got his hands on any Stormtroopers.
 
Indy blowing the swordsman away.. LMFAO! One of the most classic scenes in cinema. EVER.
 
I'm waiting for there to be something made about what happens after Return of the Jedi. Lucas cannot say that's the end of the story when he's commissioned everything in the expanded universe.
 
I had a change of heart about the PT, I loved it once, then I watched them again, and realized they sucked.


Anyway, any news about Boba Fett? He's the only character that can still be saved....and the best in the saga.
 
Yeah, I liked that moment, although I wouldn't say it was his most unpredictable thing. I think that award has to go to blowing the swordsman away in Raiders.
Any time I recall having sat with someone and it's their first time watching Raiders they don't expect that one.
They were supposed to do a big intricate action set piece with that guy for that scene, but something happened and they couldn't do it, so I think it was Harrison Ford who suggested just to shoot him.
Ford's full of the great suggestions that end up being memorable. It was his idea to go with the 'I know.' response to Leia's 'I love you.'
I'm glad they didn't go with his suggestion to kill off solo in ROTJ, that would have been a tad depressing, and it would have been a trifle disturbing to see Chewbacca's reaction. If he tears legs and arms off when he loses at chess, who knows what he would have been like, movie would've probably had to be moved up to a 15 if he got his hands on any Stormtroopers.

****, I forgot about that moment. :o Second most unpredictable thing he's ever done.
 
I had a change of heart about the PT, I loved it once, then I watched them again, and realized they sucked.


Anyway, any news about Boba Fett? He's the only character that can still be saved....and the best in the saga.

The prequels don't make chronological sense at all. Has anyone ever tried to rewrite or remake them?

There are Mandalorians in the second season of The Clone Wars, so he will appear for sure.
 
Personally, i dont want anyone remaking the PT... to me that's just as bad as someone saying they want to remake the OT :doh:

There are Mandalorians in the second season of The Clone Wars, so he will appear for sure.
Is it confirmed that Boba appears though? i would think he's still a bit young at this point to be in full mandalorian armor...
 
Is it confirmed that Boba appears though? i would think he's still a bit young at this point to be in full mandalorian armor...

read the EU novels....kids start wearing armor at about 8 or 9
 
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