Stargate SG-1/Atlantis/Universe

[Asgard]

It was the end of Air THIS season that had one of the ships disconnecting from Destiny

I see. I knew I wasnt imagining it.

He's not the only one. The Asian chick is starting to piss me off.

Yeah, Wray needs to get off of Col Young's case.

 

[Dugath]

Lt. James aka ****. She's over Scott by now. She's probably crying over the those injured by the attack. Or she's really lonely.



He's not the only one. The Asian chick is starting to piss me off.

She can not be pissing you off too much if you can not even refer to her by name. (Considering there are two "Asian Chicks" on the show).

Though I will assume you are referring to Ming-Na who plays the Character Camile Wray.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I think James was crying because she thinks she blew her chance with the person she was genuinely attracted to. I doubt it's just because she's generally lonely--a woman who looks like that could certainly find someone who's interested, I'm sure.

Rush and Wray are a little annoying. Not because they're plotting against Young--that's the be expected--but because that last scene made it so campy. They might as well have spontaneously grown mustaches to twirl menacingly.

Overall, a fair episode. Mostly because we now have something more than just the crew's infighting to focus on.

 

[X-Ray]

She can not be pissing you off too much if you can not even refer to her by name. (Considering there are two "Asian Chicks" on the show).

Though I will assume you are referring to Ming-Na who plays the Character Camile Wray.

Yeah her. The chick who played Chung Li.

 

[Maximus One]

I actually liked last nites ep. Thought it was a good solid return. Those aliens were freaky lookin to man! They creeped me the hell out for some reason. Gotta say though that part with Young finding Rush I was sitting there saying to myself the whole time "Its gonna be Rush Its gonna be Rush" Lol. Im just still pissed the fat man gets no love on this show. They try to tease about it just like Lost did with Hurley. Its like the only fat man you'll ever see with a chick in a movie or show is John Favreau or something

 

[wiegeabo]

I also liked how we're starting to see the women (at least TJ) without makeup, and Young's hair was growing out. Also the need for socks. It's little touches like that that'll make the passage of time feel more organic.

 

[Asgard]

They might as well have spontaneously grown mustaches to twirl menacingly.

 

[acedrake]

I really cant stand Col Young or that black sargent. Young doesnt give me the feeling that he cares for people only for his command and giving orders. The sargent is a plain kooky idiot that is too gung ho for his or anyone elses good. Young was carrying on an affair with that blonde doc and yet was all pissed off when his wife was having a liason with Lou Diamond. Hate that Young *******. And so is that chubby hacker. God what a buncha moroons

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

I can't stand that Col. Young. He talks like a robot...with no emotion. It could just be the actor...but besides Eli...there's no "characters" in this show. SGI...and even Atlantis had quirky, interesting characters with some charm to them.... I'm not getting that with this show yet.

 

[Dugath]

I can't stand that Col. Young. He talks like a robot...with no emotion. It could just be the actor...but besides Eli...there's no "characters" in this show. SGI...and even Atlantis had quirky, interesting characters with some charm to them.... I'm not getting that with this show yet.

How many Colonel's do you know? In my opinion he plays it pretty good. He is playing a leader who has to show what he says is the law, he can get all emotional, or excited, cry, get super angry or show weakness. He is in a situation where he has to control both him military personnel and civilians.

I also think you cant have off the wall characters in this show as they are trying to be more "serious" so having a Mckay or A leader who goofs around and makes smart ass comments wouldn't fit the show.

I liked this episode, what I do not like though it seems no one in this mutiny gets punished at all.

"Okay, you all can go back to your lives as usual, I will forget you just took over the ship and probably can do it again at some point."

 

[LadyVader]

I liked this episode, what I do not like though it seems no one in this mutiny gets punished at all.

Oh yeah, they should all be left abandoned on a planet to die. That'll teach 'em!

The fact that Young chose to end the conflict peacefully is one decision of his that I fully support. Both sides were right in this. The fact is that military control WILL NOT get these people home. The military can't threaten the ship into working. Would Eli have listened to Young and tried to get the weapons online they would've been dead. Furthermore I was shocked to see TJ's reaction in this. She was all "you started a war, and that's what we're good at". Are you kidding me!? You are a handful of people having a problem in communication, this AIN'T a war. Her faith in Young is incredible, given they have a history.

 

[LadyVader]

I liked this episode, what I do not like though it seems no one in this mutiny gets punished at all.

Oh yeah, they should all be left abandoned on a planet to die. That'll teach 'em!

The fact that Young chose to end the conflict peacefully is one decision of his that I fully support. Both sides were right in this. The fact is that military control WILL NOT get these people home. The military can't threaten the ship into working. Would Eli have listened to Young and tried to get the weapons online they would've been dead. Furthermore I was shocked to see TJ's reaction in this. She was all "you started a war, and that's what we're good at". Are you kidding me!? You are a handful of people having a problem in communication, this AIN'T a war. Her faith in Young is incredible, given they have a history.

 

[Wyrminarrd]

My thoughts on the latest episode:

Spoiler

I´d have to side with the military in this situation, the civilians don't have the experience nor the discipline needed to keep the situation under control.

The civilians argument that all armed forces ultimately answer to civilian control struck me as incredibly self serving and stupid since the crew of the destiny can hardly be considered its own nation. Young still answers to the President of the United States and would no doubt step down from command if ordered to do so by his legal superiors.

I can't really understand how the civi's thought this could ever work for long? Did they really think that the military personal wouldn't hold a grudge after being threatened with death by dehydration??? And what about the next time the crew of Destiny had to go to a dangerous planet,were the civilians planning on providing the armed protection?

 

[LadyVader]

the civilians don't have the experience nor the discipline needed to keep the situation under control.

And the military don't have the technical know-how to make informed decisions based on what the ship can do. Young ordered Eli to charge the weapons and attack although Rush told them that would be a bad f**cking idea.

Young always looks to Eli or Rush to "get" something done and save lives. In fact, Rush and Eli (civilians) have saved more lives than all the military put together.

 

[Superfreak]

anyone get the vibe that what is happening on SGU,,, is an improved version of what they intended to do with Atlantis? It's just all to similar right now.

 

[Superfreak]

anyone get the vibe that what is happening on SGU,,, is an improved version of what they intended to do with Atlantis? It's just all to similar right now.

 

[Siby]

And the military don't have the technical know-how to make informed decisions based on what the ship can do. Young ordered Eli to charge the weapons and attack although Rush told them that would be a bad f**cking idea.

Young always looks to Eli or Rush to "get" something done and save lives. In fact, Rush and Eli (civilians) have saved more lives than all the military put together.

The fact that Rush told them is just grounds to question that course of action. Rush may know more than others about the ship but his intentions are definitely not aligned with the rest of the crew. He has made this clear in previous episodes also. His general attitude towards everyone is of annoyance, like "why are they on MY ship".

Young asking Rush or Eli to "get stuff done" is what leaders do. Young has to be the sole and absolute leader on the ship. Why? Because all the civilians were under government and military contract to work on that other planet and therefore under the commanding officer's authority.

These civilians aren't like the civilians in Battlestar Galactica where they were the last of an entire race and they had government officials on board. The civilians on Destiny have no authority whatsoever. The one obligation they have is to listen to the commander, even if he is a *****ebag, and do what is required of them. As just recourse for the uprising Young should take Camile and have her shot in front of everybody.

 

[LadyVader]

Nobody is looking at this from the point of view of the civilians. Say I'm Joe Regular on board the Destiny. Who do I trust with MY LIFE? There's the military who have the ability to fight for me if the situation comes down to it but who CAN'T operate the ship. Know nothing about the ship and based on a decision made my their commanding officer, could very well get me killed.

On the other hand is Rush who knows most about the ship but can't be trusted because of his own hidden motives. However that makes it's highly unlikely Rush to ever do something that makes Destiny go haywire and kill everybody on board since that will also get HIM killed.

What shocked me about this particular episode is that nobody realised that BOTH of the sides are right. So far we had Young abandoning Rush on a deserted planet which was a bad decision. Sure you can find reasons for and against, but overall it left the people on board feeling uneasy about their leader. Camille and Rush instigated a coup d'etat which was also a bad idea because civilians are not prepared to defeat military forces.

Both of these courses of action resulted in disastrous consequences. It's further proof, that was unneeded that these people need to work together. But nobody pointed that out. Not even freaking TJ who a couple of episodes wanted to act as a councelor for the rest of the people. Instead of realizing that the very act of people with no military training would pick up a gun out of fear means that Young's leadership is faulty, she chose to shut down completely.

"You are wrong. Young will resume leadership and that's that."

F**k you in essence.

I say side with aliens at this point.

 

[Arbiter]

Well with this past episode I stick to my theory that the IOA only hires completely incompetent dumbasses lol

so when is the Eli cocktease getting killed off. I absolutely CANNOT STAND her!!!

 

[Siby]

Nobody is looking at this from the point of view of the civilians. Say I'm Joe Regular on board the Destiny. Who do I trust with MY LIFE? There's the military who have the ability to fight for me if the situation comes down to it but who CAN'T operate the ship. Know nothing about the ship and based on a decision made my their commanding officer, could very well get me killed.

On the other hand is Rush who knows most about the ship but can't be trusted because of his own hidden motives. However that makes it's highly unlikely Rush to ever do something that makes Destiny go haywire and kill everybody on board since that will also get HIM killed.

What shocked me about this particular episode is that nobody realised that BOTH of the sides are right. So far we had Young abandoning Rush on a deserted planet which was a bad decision. Sure you can find reasons for and against, but overall it left the people on board feeling uneasy about their leader. Camille and Rush instigated a coup d'etat which was also a bad idea because civilians are not prepared to defeat military forces.

Both of these courses of action resulted in disastrous consequences. It's further proof, that was unneeded that these people need to work together. But nobody pointed that out. Not even freaking TJ who a couple of episodes wanted to act as a councelor for the rest of the people. Instead of realizing that the very act of people with no military training would pick up a gun out of fear means that Young's leadership is faulty, she chose to shut down completely.

"You are wrong. Young will resume leadership and that's that."

F**k you in essence.

I say side with aliens at this point.

I agree with the sentiment of your thoughts. I wasn't surprised by TJ's reaction to the revolt because I figured her to act like a soldier and she did. She may have been the more moderate voice but when push came to shove she rightfully stood with her brothers in arms.

I really like the social tension they have developed on the show but I'm not sure the powers behind the show have what it takes to take the show down a dark and dramatic path. I think this show could be a very good dramatic show but it needs to be gritty and not go down the "everything is easily resolved at the end of the episode and everybody is happy path".

If I were the aliens I would just leave the ship alone and come back in a few months when the stowaways have killed themselves.

 

[Sam Fisher]

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[Dugath]

Oh yeah, they should all be left abandoned on a planet to die. That'll teach 'em!

The fact that Young chose to end the conflict peacefully is one decision of his that I fully support. Both sides were right in this. The fact is that military control WILL NOT get these people home. The military can't threaten the ship into working. Would Eli have listened to Young and tried to get the weapons online they would've been dead. Furthermore I was shocked to see TJ's reaction in this. She was all "you started a war, and that's what we're good at". Are you kidding me!? You are a handful of people having a problem in communication, this AIN'T a war. Her faith in Young is incredible, given they have a history.

You would make a real bad leader

Think about it.. You are in charge, you are responsible for all the lives on the ship. Which means when you give orders they need to be followed. You can not be second guessed, you can not be disobeyed.

1:This mutiny has undermined Young's authority
2:The ring leader can obviously do it again since he has the know how.

"okay, everyone back to business as usual" is NOT something that would just happen.

I am not saying strand everyone on a planet, in fact I never even said that at all. But Something had to be done, even if was a "talking to" with Rush.

How could Young ever even consider leaving the ship now with knowing at any moment it could happen again.

Or perhaps how could he even go to sleep? He and most other military personal could wake up locked in their rooms.. there was no resolution to this situation, which I am hoping takes place in the next episode.

 

[LadyVader]

Wake up locked in their rooms!? The people that Young is responsible for were simply acting out of fear and he recognized this. They are not a bunch of anarchists waiting for every opportunity to overthrow the government. These are still rational beings who've simply seen their leader make a bunch of very bad decisions. They have every right to express their displeasure, albeit maybe they shouldn't have taken such extreme measures. They were practically coerced into it anyway.

Being responsible for somebody's life does not give you claim over that life. If Young ordered everybody on the ship to take their lives because they have no way of getting home, would they be obligated to follow that order? Of course not!

 

[Dugath]

Wake up locked in their rooms!? The people that Young is responsible for were simply acting out of fear and he recognized this. They are not a bunch of anarchists waiting for every opportunity to overthrow the government. These are still rational beings who've simply seen their leader make a bunch of very bad decisions. They have every right to express their displeasure, albeit maybe they shouldn't have taken such extreme measures. They were practically coerced into it anyway.

Being responsible for somebody's life does not give you claim over that life. If Young ordered everybody on the ship to take their lives because they have no way of getting home, would they be obligated to follow that order? Of course not!

LOL that is just stupid. If your going to argue at least make reasonable points.
Obviously you do not understand anything about command, or structured order.

Now my point was very valid.. a group of people tried to take over (they wanted to be in command).. Young beat them back.. then said okay, everyone back to business as usual. They could still very well wake up one day and Rush has locked most military people in their rooms, to gain control from the military yet again, whats to stop him? No agreement was met, no punishment was handed out.

You seem to believe anyone can do anything, forget and forgive with no trust or loyalty lost. Does not work that way.

Not really going to argue this anymore

 

[LadyVader]

People just wanted Young to NOT be in command because they perceived him to be a less than adequate leader. Since the rest of the military have Young's back no matter what, they were targeted as well. And please don't put words in my mouth. I don't think anybody can do anything. All I'm saying is that this is not a black and white situation. Young knows that. Yes I would've liked to see people actually TALK about their problems and their fears instead of resorting to blackmail, threats and violence but obviously that would not make for very good television.

But I'm happy we're not arguing this anymore. :P