Stargate SG-1/Atlantis/Universe

[RetroNaz]

Yeah I was a little suprised that last weeks episode wasn't continued. I was like "oh crap, I've missed an ep?"

Honestly, I don't mind the earth stuff. And it's good to see some of the other characters getting some juicier material to work with.

 

[Superfreak]

Yeah I was a little suprised that last weeks episode wasn't continued. I was like "oh crap, I've missed an ep?"

Honestly, I don't mind the earth stuff. And it's good to see some of the other characters getting some juicier material to work with.

I just don't find the Earth stuff interesting. Mostly because most of it really has nothing to do with the narrative. I really don't care about the home lives of most of the characters: unless they are important to the plot of the episode/season/series.

I mean Ok, I get that these people are stranded, and are dealing with issues caught up in that. But the whole Camille and Scott exposition, just seemed useless to me... atleast the amount they gave us(so Camille is a lesbian, and Scott is a dead beat dad who doesn't know it: I don't really care).

I feel like it could have been 10% the length, with more concentration of narrative focus on something a little more important. Or atleast make the earth bound melodrama be important to the narrative developments on the ship, within the episode (ala Lost: when a character on lost is the focus, the flashbacks usually justify the course of action they choose on the Island.) There's none of that here.

Just feels like we're getting a peak at these people's homelives, not because it's important to the story, but just because they want to. Feels like no real purpose is being served with the trips back to earth(90% of them atleast)

 

[GL1]

I don't know if this has been talked about, but isn't the body switching utterly disturbing? I understand communication, but people are going about having VERY physical relationships in other people's bodies... that's... an invasion of personal space? Do these people get debriefed on what was done with their bodies while they were out, or is it just 'in service of our country?'

 

[C. Lee]

I don't know if this has been talking about, but isn't the body switching utterly disturbing? I understand communication, but people are going about having VERY physical relationships in other people's bodies... that's... an invasion of personal space? Do these people get debriefed on what was done with their bodies while they were out, or is it just 'in service of our country?'

I think they're being pretty cavalier about it too. I mean, how do you explain to your partner that you caught a STD because someone trapped on an alien spaceship a million light years away was using your body to screw thier girlfriend.

 

[GL1]

I think they're being pretty cavalier about it too. I mean, how do you explain to your partner that you caught a STD because someone trapped on an alien spaceship a million light years away was using your body to screw thier girlfriend.

That's what I'm saying! I mean, how would you feel if you had a baby with your wife and it came out looking Lou Diamond Phillips? But it's yours, right? Right?

 

[Superfreak]

That's what I'm saying! I mean, how would you feel if you had a baby with your wife and it came out looking Lou Diamond Phillips? But it's yours, right? Right?

nope, It's still LDPs child. There is no genetic information from you, but rather the body you borrowed, it's not your child... your mind allowed for the child to be produced.

 

[ChickenScratch]

My friend and I were discussing the ethics of the body switching the other day. It's a really tricky subject. A person could loose their job because you used their body and did a whole pile of coke. You could get an STD or even have some sort of sexual relation the person would not do, maybe the person's married or straight. Or it could be as simple as drinking alcohol and eating meat if the person is averse to that.

They are being a little too cavalier with other people's bodies.

 

[RetroNaz]

To be honest, I never really thought of it until you guys brought it up in here.

It's now going to annoy me each time there is a body swap!

 

[ChickenScratch]

Imagine that episode when Telfer for a moment was back in his own body during the swap and was having sex with that dude's wife. How crazy would it have been if Telfer came back and was having sex ... but it was with another dude!

Or how that chick went out to a concert and got drunk with another person's body! Personally, I'm a musician and I always have my earplugs with me because if my hearing goes, so does my work.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It's the military, guys. I'm certain they have some kind of screening process and disclosure protocol so everyone who's involved in the body switching knows exactly what they're in for. I'm sure mistakes might get made now and then, but I would be incredibly shocked to learn that there's not some kind of protocol in place to minimize risks like the ones you're describing as much as possible. It'd be an astronomical oversight on the military's part.

Now, if we're just talking about how weird it would be, yeah, it's totally freaky.

Anyway, I loved the episode. A nice, quiet episode to deal with all the interpersonal and just-plain-personal stuff that would naturally affect people stuck on a ship in the middle of nowhere. The showrunners have been very upfront about the fact that the show would be very character-driven so, frankly, if these kinds of episodes seem pointless to you, I kind of have to wonder why you're watching the show at all. Just my two cents.

 

[C. Lee]

It's the military, guys. I'm certain they have some kind of screening process and disclosure protocol so everyone who's involved in the body switching knows exactly what they're in for. I'm sure mistakes might get made now and then, but I would be incredibly shocked to learn that there's not some kind of protocol in place to minimize risks like the ones you're describing as much as possible. It'd be an astronomical oversight on the military's part.

Like at the end of the episode where Stargate command thought one of the scientists was inhabiting the body but it was really Colonel Young coming down to kick Telford's butt?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Like I said, mistakes can always be made. But at the very least, we can be reasonably sure that that airman Young commandeered in the scientist's stead doesn't have any STDs or anything like that.

 

[RetroNaz]

It's the military, guys. I'm certain they have some kind of screening process and disclosure protocol so everyone who's involved in the body switching knows exactly what they're in for. I'm sure mistakes might get made now and then, but I would be incredibly shocked to learn that there's not some kind of protocol in place to minimize risks like the ones you're describing as much as possible. It'd be an astronomical oversight on the military's part.

Now, if we're just talking about how weird it would be, yeah, it's totally freaky.

Anyway, I loved the episode. A nice, quiet episode to deal with all the interpersonal and just-plain-personal stuff that would naturally affect people stuck on a ship in the middle of nowhere. The showrunners have been very upfront about the fact that the show would be very character-driven so, frankly, if these kinds of episodes seem pointless to you, I kind of have to wonder why you're watching the show at all. Just my two cents.

Thank you!

 

[RetroNaz]

Like at the end of the episode where Stargate command thought one of the scientists was inhabiting the body but it was really Colonel Young coming down to kick Telford's butt?

I'm assuming Young will get into some kind of trouble for what he did.

Is it just me or did anyone else side more with Telford than Young?

I just don't find Young all that very likable.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I find Young to be the most likable character on the show. Cheating on the missus is a big strike against him, but he's still a better man than Telford. We've seen Telford try to outright usurp Young's command when he's been on the Destiny already; it'd be naive to think he doesn't have some kind of ulterior motive in getting so close to Young's wife.

 

[C. Lee]

I find Young to be the most likable character on the show. Cheating on the missus is a big strike against him, but he's still a better man than Telford. We've seen Telford try to outright usurp Young's command when he's been on the Destiny already; it'd be naive to think he doesn't have some kind of ulterior motive in getting so close to Young's wife.

That's my feelings too. Telford had no reason to go to Young's wifes house except to try and seduce her. He even told her some dark secret (presumely that Young cheated on her) that he had no right or reaon to do except in an attempt to make her mad at Young.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh yeah, that was an outright lie as far as we know now. Telford must've been the one who put that thought into Young's wife's head, given that she and Young seemed to have moved past his infidelity and be happy again during Young's last visit.

Granted, they could always show a previously unrevealed flashback to Young banging someone on Destiny, which would force us to re-evaluate the Young/Mrs. Young/Telford dynamic.

 

[wiegeabo]

Like I said, mistakes can always be made. But at the very least, we can be reasonably sure that that airman Young commandeered in the scientist's stead doesn't have any STDs or anything like that.

Agreed.

Although the only thing that I'm wondering about is the soldier Ming Na was in. What if she wasn't gay? And if she was, it's not like she could tell her superiors because of Don't Ask Don't Tell (unless SGC/IOC made some kind of exception). And if she's straight, how would she feel about the way her body was used?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No clue. But she must've signed some kind of agreement that noted personal visits with significant others would be part of the deal. I'm sure anyone could use their imagination and realize that sex is inevitably going to be an issue at some point, and the SGC personnel all must've agreed.

 

[RetroNaz]

I find Young to be the most likable character on the show. Cheating on the missus is a big strike against him, but he's still a better man than Telford. We've seen Telford try to outright usurp Young's command when he's been on the Destiny already; it'd be naive to think he doesn't have some kind of ulterior motive in getting so close to Young's wife.

I don't disagree with any of that, I just can't find hime likable. I don't know what it is.

Then again, I don't have any Chloe hate, so maybe I'm not normal. LOL.

 

[SsM]

I don't disagree with any of that, I just can't find hime likable. I don't know what it is.

Then again, I don't have any Chloe hate, so maybe I'm not normal. LOL.

I find Rush the most likable. I must be crazy..

 

[Maximus One]

I like Eli the most. Hes the most down to earth and real person on the show I think. Plus hes good comic relief hes like Hiro in season 1 of Heroes but better imo

 

[Superfreak]

It's the military, guys. I'm certain they have some kind of screening process and disclosure protocol so everyone who's involved in the body switching knows exactly what they're in for. I'm sure mistakes might get made now and then, but I would be incredibly shocked to learn that there's not some kind of protocol in place to minimize risks like the ones you're describing as much as possible. It'd be an astronomical oversight on the military's part.

Now, if we're just talking about how weird it would be, yeah, it's totally freaky.

Anyway, I loved the episode. A nice, quiet episode to deal with all the interpersonal and just-plain-personal stuff that would naturally affect people stuck on a ship in the middle of nowhere. The showrunners have been very upfront about the fact that the show would be very character-driven so, frankly, if these kinds of episodes seem pointless to you, I kind of have to wonder why you're watching the show at all. Just my two cents.

It just doesn't feel like the characters are driving anything at this point, is what I'm saying.



and I just know Chloe is going to sit in the chair

 

[RetroNaz]

Yep, I'm the same. Eli is the likable guy.

He calls a spade a spade, but doesn't take his issues out on anyone like most of the other characters do.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It just doesn't feel like the characters are driving anything at this point, is what I'm saying.



and I just know Chloe is going to sit in the chair

They don't have to drive anything. The point of the episode (and the show itself, to some extent) is to build the characters and make them three-dimensional instead of archetypes. I think they're doing a decent job of that. The show's part soap opera, basically, and they're not ashamed of it.