Stargate SG-1/Atlantis/Universe

[Dr Lee]

the one reason i would blame Syfy for the demise of SGU is the horrendous timeslot change...

Cloverdale was actually a very good episode... if you take a moment to think first (THAT IS NOT A DIG AT ANYONE BTW)

 

[Siby]

the one reason i would blame Syfy for the demise of SGU is the horrendous timeslot change...

Cloverdale was actually a very good episode... if you take a moment to think first (THAT IS NOT A DIG AT ANYONE BTW)

This is a genuine request and nothing else, so that maybe I could understand something that I might have missed. Could you shed some light on the elements of this episode that made it "very good"?

Granted it's one episode and not that big of a deal but if it was important to the continuing narrative of the show, I want to know what I missed.

 

[GL1]

Oh for crying out loud. How can you blame people who have kept you on the air for 10 years plus!?

He's blaming people that quote "deliberately hurt" them, who also happen to be fans. It's like being mad at your mom if she stabs you in the neck. Yeah, she's your mom, but she stabbed you in the neck!

I also agree Cloverdale was a great episode. One of the better "It's a Wonderful Life"/"Alternate-ish reality" episodes I've seen, ever. It was fun seeing the cast twisted a bit, a lot of fun, actually. And, it developed the little bit of real on-ship drama, Chloe's mutation, as well.

And I'm a fan of Greer, and he got some long-overdue burn time in this episode. In general, it had entertainment (people playing a twist on their characters, action and SFX (the plants got iffy a couple times though), mythology (chloe's mutation advances) and drama (Chloe being defiant and right, finally, and breaking Eli's heart, as opposed to slowly crushing it with neglect). There's not much more to ask for, and MANY episodes have been lacking in at least one of these departments.

 

[carrrnuttt]

Cloverdale actually gave us a lot of insight on how Lt. Scott sees the main characters he interacts with. He sees the Colonel as a dad. He sees Greer as a brother-in-arms. He sees the way Chloe sees Eli (as a brother). He sees Rush as creepy and foreboding, but a facilitator. What happened with Chloe and him in the dream is him knowing that he loves her, while at the same time afraid of what she's turning into.

 

[LadyVader]

He's blaming people that quote "deliberately hurt" them, who also happen to be fans. It's like being mad at your mom if she stabs you in the neck. Yeah, she's your mom, but she stabbed you in the neck!

Who has complete control of SGU? Brad Wright and those people like him. He himself said before the show ever came out, if the show is good, people will watch, if not then not! They have the power to produce a good show, which in plenty of people's minds they didn't. I didn't see an anti-SGU campagin anywhere, nobody ever told me on this website or any of the other I frequent "DON'T WATCH THE SHOW!". I have seen plenty of people stating their opinion, in more or less colored therms, which they are fully entitled to do.

Going by your analogy, the mom hardly stabbed this kid in the neck. But she did shake her head in disapproval.

Cloverdale actually gave us a lot of insight on how Lt. Scott sees the main characters he interacts with. He sees the Colonel as a dad. He sees Greer as a brother-in-arms. He sees the way Chloe sees Eli (as a brother). He sees Rush as creepy and foreboding, but a facilitator.

That is not insight. Half that stuff was obvious from the pilot episode, the other half became obvious by the end of season 1.

What happened with Chloe and him in the dream is him knowing that he loves her, while at the same time afraid of what she's turning into.

Yes, that bit might've been relevant, but it was hardly worth devoting an entire episode to. It could've been translated to screen with ONE SCENE, heck, WITH ONE LINE.

The show's ratings are slipping, it's obvious the show is not well liked enough... and you give us an episode like Cloverdale!? That is not even half as good as Changeling who only had the audacity to exist after 6 seasons of character development. This is the time when you're supposed to KILL IT. Not just once a month (because I liked the episode after Cloverdale). Every single month. Kiss the ass of your audience like you never kissed it before if you want to survive.

But for pity's sake don't point a finger and blame the "fans" who've been with you for more than a decade, buying your **** and clapping for your actors at conventions, if you're not capable of making a show that MORE people might actually be interested to watch compared to the previous Stargate series.

 

[GhostPoet]

While I liked Cloverdale, I feel the writers in general don't really seem to know where to go with the characters...but this last episode and tonights episode I think may be a turning point. It's no longer a story of "survival" but of accomplishing a mission...the PROBLEM is that it took far too long to get tot his point. It's like we are just now, in the middle of season 2 getting the story of the series.

 

[GL1]

Who has complete control of SGU? Brad Wright and those people like him. He himself said before the show ever came out, if the show is good, people will watch, if not then not! They have the power to produce a good show, which in plenty of people's minds they didn't. I didn't see an anti-SGU campagin anywhere, nobody ever told me on this website or any of the other I frequent "DON'T WATCH THE SHOW!". I have seen plenty of people stating their opinion, in more or less colored therms, which they are fully entitled to do.

Going by your analogy, the mom hardly stabbed this kid in the neck. But she did shake her head in disapproval.

You haven't seen it, I accept that, but are we sure that he hasn't? The comment was pretty vague, and I don't know the guy, perhaps he's the type to grasp straws when trying to point blame. Maybe he is referring to something we're not aware of. Regardless of whether or not his claim is accurate, whether or not these "evil" fans exist, there's absolutely no reason to be indignant about his comment as though it was directed at all fans as opposed to a vocal minority. I thought the comment was at least pretty clear on that point.

 

[LadyVader]

I am pissed off by the comment not necessarily as a fan but as a person that has enormous respect for people that OWN up to their responsibilities and has disdain for people who play a blame game, which is what Brad Wright is doing. Excuses are like a$$holes, everybody has one and they all stink.

And as a Stargate fan, I find it pretty sad that we went from episodes like Stargate SG1's 200th episode that was entirely fan service to a situation like this where SGU's problems are blamed on at least a portion of Stargate's fanbase.

 

[RetroNaz]

A show should never blame it's fanbase for anything.

The customer is always right - and this applies anywhere.

If fans are saying the show isn't good, well maybe it isn't good.

 

[wiegeabo]

A show should never blame it's fanbase for anything.

The customer is always right - and this applies anywhere.

If fans are saying the show isn't good, well maybe it isn't good.

That's bull

 

[Siby]

What an awesome episode last night. Destiny's mission sounds awesome, everybody knows about the bridge (and it looked as great as I had pictured it with others sitting at the different stations. Makes me giddy.) I'm really glad (hopeful) Rush and Young have settled their differences and can have a productive relationship.

I was happy to see Eli step up and be "the brain" that he was brought on to be. I hope we see more of that from him. I guess getting laid helped him not focus on Chloe and actually get some work done. lol

It was great to not have Chloe and Scott drama bogging down the episode. Wow, that ending was intense, but got ruined by the stupid promo for next week. Poor Eli!

 

[Dr Lee]

Retro, at least half of the 'fanbase' who say it's not good aren't bothering to watch the show, just ***** about it because of how Atlantis was killed off to let this be made...

Yes, the show has it's faults... but i think they are now starting to move past most of them...

'The Greater Good' actually took out the main problem i had with this season so far, we now have something to actually move towards, rather than the seemingly aimless few episodes this season.

Universe... now the show really starts to live up to it's name with the ship looking for the source (God?) of a radio signal in the noise of space.....

Perry.... God she is stunning.... shame i think we're about to see the last of her Same with Guinn

LOL'd at Matt's reaction to the bridge.... and the whole Backseat driving moment

 

[Siby]

Retro, at least half of the 'fanbase' who say it's not good aren't bothering to watch the show, just ***** about it because of how Atlantis was killed off to let this be made...

Yes, the show has it's faults... but i think they are now starting to move past most of them...

'The Greater Good' actually took out the main problem i had with this season so far, we now have something to actually move towards, rather than the seemingly aimless few episodes this season.

Universe... now the show really starts to live up to it's name with the ship looking for the source (God?) of a radio signal in the noise of space.....

Perry.... God she is stunning.... shame i think we're about to see the last of her Same with Guinn

LOL'd at Matt's reaction to the bridge.... and the whole Backseat driving moment

So do both people die when one of the bodies is killed?

lol, the backseat driving was hilarious and I agree Scott's reaction to the bridge was great.

I wonder if that random planet, with TJ's baby, is linked with the object at the Big Bang?

 

[Asgard]

Destiny's real mission sounds dope.

Traveling to the beginning of the Big Bang because of some sort of intelligent signal or something? Sweet.

Too bad they killed Ginn. T-Bag is gonna be T-Bag whether on Earth or an Ancient spaceship. Its time the people at SGC learn this lesson. Greer better watch his back.

 

[RetroNaz]

That's bull

It's an old adage that must be followed when you have people paying for your product.

 

[RetroNaz]

Retro, at least half of the 'fanbase' who say it's not good aren't bothering to watch the show, just ***** about it because of how Atlantis was killed off to let this be made...

Yes, the show has it's faults... but i think they are now starting to move past most of them...

'The Greater Good' actually took out the main problem i had with this season so far, we now have something to actually move towards, rather than the seemingly aimless few episodes this season.

Universe... now the show really starts to live up to it's name with the ship looking for the source (God?) of a radio signal in the noise of space.....

Perry.... God she is stunning.... shame i think we're about to see the last of her Same with Guinn

LOL'd at Matt's reaction to the bridge.... and the whole Backseat driving moment

I'm not saying Universe is bad, as I still watch it.

All I'm saying is that they should never blame fans for anything. They should take it on board.

They are well within their rights to not actually listen to the fans, but they should not be flat out saying the fans are wrong.

 

[LadyVader]

Exactly. What pisses me off most about what Brad Wright is saying and recently what David Blue is saying, is that it turns out that when people are saying: "oh, the fans are great, everything we do is for the fans, the fans brought us here" it's all bulls@#t! And I can't believe that people representing the Stargate franchise, of all franchises, is adopting the stance. Yeah sure, the fans are everything when you get big ratings. But when the show is doing poorly all of the sudden it's not because of the people making the show. Heaven forbid. It's because fans are carrying a grudge and hurting it.

Given the bad ratings of this last episode which was supposed to be a game changer (yet averaged only 1 mil viewers and a bit) I think SGU is circling the drain. I don't want it to be cancelled (paradoxically, I don't hold a grudge) but if it will get canceled I hope they don't go out like a bunch of spineless cry babies.

Fans don't owe you anything, powers that be. You owe the fans.

 

[RetroNaz]

A good example of how to go out with class is the team behind the Sarah Connor Chronicles.

They didn't ***** and moan about the lack of fans, or how people were saying the movies were better than the TV show. They just knuckled down on creating their vision and when all was said and done moved on by thanking the fans they had that stuck around.

That was important to a dedicated viewer like me.

It's also important that as a viewer I'm not blamed for SGU's weaknesses.

 

[LadyVader]

Oh, Josh Friedman *****ed and moaned. Didn't you read his blog post on the matter?

I had this little scary robot show and for whatever reason couldn't convince enough people that it was a) scary enough b) robot enough or c) in English. Add that dim sum combo of factors to a red bean paste of non-monetizable early adopters dvring the show like mother****ers and now I'm unemployed.

But... Josh Friedman was really speaking from his heart and I'll cut him some slack. Brad Wright is just worried about his own ass.

 

[wiegeabo]

It's an old adage that must be followed when you have people paying for your product.

No, I know from personal, and professional, experience, that it does not always have to be followed.

Just a couple of reasons why

I've really come to hate that phrase. What started out as a motto to promote good customer service, has become an excuse for customers to bully and harass employees and companies.


Now, I'm not saying that applies with SGU. It's just that that phrase really grates on my nerves.

 

[RetroNaz]

No, I know from personal, and professional, experience, that it does not always have to be followed.

Just a couple of reasons why

I've really come to hate that phrase. What started out as a motto to promote good customer service, has become an excuse for customers to bully and harass employees and companies.


Now, I'm not saying that applies with SGU. It's just that that phrase really grates on my nerves.

Apologies for bringing up bad memories then my friend.

 

[RetroNaz]

Oh, Josh Friedman *****ed and moaned. Didn't you read his blog post on the matter?



But... Josh Friedman was really speaking from his heart and I'll cut him some slack. Brad Wright is just worried about his own ass.

hahaha I never followed the whole thing up, but he seemed to go out with relative finesse. Wow, this is golden though.

 

[LadyVader]

Yeah, I even said it's one of the best things I've read last year. I love the bit where he's talking about Chuck Lorre sizing up his office to take it over.

"Damn right you can. You're Chuck f**king Lorre and you own my ass."

But I think even his post is way more classier a reaction than Brad Wright's or David Blue's.

 

[RetroNaz]

Yeah I guess getting back to our original point is that you don't tell your fans they are to blame.

If I go out busking and only make 2 bucks, I don't suddenly scream at every passer by and say IT'S YOUR FAULT I CAN'T EVEN BUY A HAPPY MEAL!

 

[GhostPoet]

Well, well. What a great episode! The mission behind Destiny sounds fantastic. The next episode looks great too...though I think we might be seeing the end of good ol' T-Bag sooner than I thought. But this show is finally hitting it's stride...I just hope it's not too late.