Stargate SG-1/Atlantis/Universe

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First of all, all the races except the Replicators maybe, would love to do an underhanded trick like that. Second of all, why would the LA do that? What could they possibly have to profit? And they're not ones for suicide missions either way. The Lucians were always a squabbling bunch of mercenaries and thugs who were not really into empire building but more into profit.

Suddenly they are a major threat to earth with its fleet (at least 5) of Daedalus class ships with Asgard technology, Atlantis and the Antarctic weapons platform. Plus Earth is allied with the Jaffa, who control most of the ships and hardware the System Lords left AND the Ori.

Of course, we can't have a Stargate show without Earth facing some kind of threat, even when it's millions of light years away. Nevermind that it's a threat based on collective amnesia, since we shouldn't remember that at this point in time humans can pretty much kick the ass of anything of almost Ascension high power levels.

I think the difference is that the LA are humans fighting against humans, and it's not as simple an enemy that wants to destroy Earth/exterminate humans. (I could be wrong.)
They seem to represent more of a threat like that of a political threat, kind of like a glorified Universe-spanning version of the role the NID played in SG1.

LA members could be on Earth, imbedded in government and society, no way to tell them apart from any other threat, no blood test... etc.
 
I really wish they could have kept Destiny's mission a secret until the third season. Or at least the second season finale, and played up the mystery a lot more than they did. One of the problems with Atlantis is that they got reinforcements from Earth way too early. That would have been much better saved until the end of the second season, with supplies and ammunition running out, the Wrath literally in the base, and then the cavalry arrives through the gate.

Atlantis is cutoff from earth oh no! oh wait here comes SEASON 2. Although I could understand that it would have become Voyager 2.0 if they were cut off for five seasons
 
*cracks knucles*

Wanna try and take care of all these in one go. ;)



This is probably the only real plot point in the episode for me. And I'm hoping we see it get addressed in the next episode by a rather pissed of Rush and Eli. My guess, some idiot IOC interrogators did get the information pretty quickly, but figured there was no issue since 'what harm could he really do on Desitny?' I don't think the attack was immanent, so, instead of doing what the military would have done, they kept the information for themselves, thinking they would call Simeon down next. We've seen plenty of times how the IOC doesn't like to share information.




The G'ould, Replicators (classic style), and Ori were a different class of baddie altogether. They all believed themselves to be unbeatable. And for the longest time they were. Even with all the fancy tech the SGC had, the Ori were kicking their asses. The G'ould and Ori were too full of themselves to believe they were in real danger and needed anything other than an outright attack (although the Ori did get a bit sneaky and force convert worlds). The classic Replicators just didn't think in that way, and the Nanocators had the same issue as the G'ould and Ori.

The LA si completely different. The analogy to being terrorists, or at least operating like terrorists, is a good one. They're incredibly difficult to beat because there's no one place to attack them. Any attack just takes out a small cell. And, of course, since Earth is always getting in the way and taking down the cells, it becomes a natural target. Sure, the Earth/Jaffa alliance may have technological superiority, but the LA has numbers on its side (taking up all the G'ould tech the free Jaffa couldn't grab up) and stealth. The United States has military superiority too. And look how well that's working out. ;)



It's more than just an intellectual exercise. Destiny might be on track to figure out what/how the universe was created. Possibly the purpose of everything. Before discovering Ascension (which I believe provides ultimate knowledge?) this was the most important thing to the Ancients.

As for the crew being useful for that purpose? Most of the crew aren't useful now with regards to getting the crew home other than guard duty (which was the same way it was on the original Icarus project). And they still can't just go home, even if they now have total control of the systems. To use the gate, they still need a sufficient power source to dial Earth, which they don't have. Although Eli has an idea.

And they can't just fly home. First off, they don't know where home is in relation to where they are, and could end up going in the wrong direction. Secondly, they're billions of light years away. Doing some quick math, and assuming they can travel the distance of a galaxy in roughly 6 hours (a gate can dial the length of a galaxy, and 4 hours of travel keeps them in range of a gate), and a galaxy is on average about 100,000 light years long (like the Milky Way)...

...It would take them about 27 years to get home. And that's if they never stop for power/food/water/whatever. And that's if they don't go in the wrong direction.

So they might as well continue on Destiny's original mission while working on ideas for getting back to Earth. It's not like they have much else to do, and who know what the payoff from what they find out along the way.




We don't know what form the attack on Earth may be. Like someone said, it could consist of parking a cloaked naquida filled ship over Washington DC or Stargate Command, and pressing the big red button. It's not necessarily going to be an all out attack on Earth. One description of the LA is that they're former smuggles and gangsters. So I keep getting this mental picture of Al Capone's mob (the LA) vs the Feds and police (SGC). The attack on Earth may be analogous to a drive-by shooting. Except, the LA version of a tommy gun uses high explosives and starships.

Now, sending someone with Simeon's knowledge to Destiny is admittedly another potential plot point that needs cleared up. Although, I get the impression the LA knew things about Destiny the crew doesn't, so maybe it's part of their planned attack somehow? Or they were hoping to find tech that would help with the attack? Until it's cleared up, this is a dangling point.

I'm not sure why Simeon (or the LA in general) valuing his own life over the cause really matters. Knowing he couldn't stay on Destiny anymore because they'd want his information, he tried escaping and finding his way back to his people. And only when he had a gun to his face and critical injuries did he decide to beg for his life. That's pretty committed to the cause.

You said it a lot better than I could have.
 
I really wish they could have kept Destiny's mission a secret until the third season. Or at least the second season finale, and played up the mystery a lot more than they did. One of the problems with Atlantis is that they got reinforcements from Earth way too early. That would have been much better saved until the end of the second season, with supplies and ammunition running out, the Wrath literally in the base, and then the cavalry arrives through the gate.


Agreed.
And, I know it's a tangent, but was it me, or were a lot of the relationships among the SG:A crew off shoots or derived from the original SG1 characters' relationships?

Jack & Daniel = John & McKay
Jack & Teal'C = John & Ronin
Daniel & Teal'C = McKay & Ronin
Irritated Jack & Techie Sam = John & McKay
etc...
 
Another great episode. I loved the exchanges between Greer and Scott, between Greer and Chloe, Rush and Kane, and in general between the crew. I got a chuckle out of the playful bickering about quotes and scifi knowledge.

I'm not sure what the point of returning those people back to Destiny to say goodbye is. It's not they were that close to everybody there and why would aliens care about such things anyway. Also, why fix the shuttle to such perfection? What does it mean for TJ's baby?
 
Atlantis is cutoff from earth oh no! oh wait here comes SEASON 2. Although I could understand that it would have become Voyager 2.0 if they were cut off for five seasons

heh. Come on, Voyager wasn't that bad. Not all of it...

I know the timing of events between the way season 1 of Atlantis and season 7 of SG1 were perfectly done, and they weren't sure about SG1 coming back. But the season 1 finale should really have been the season 2 finale.

Season 1: sets everything up.
Season 2: **** gets real, supplies get short, ammunition is running out
Season 3: Calvary arrives in the nick of time. The show continues on much as it did.
 
Another great episode. I loved the exchanges between Greer and Scott, between Greer and Chloe, Rush and Kane, and in general between the crew. I got a chuckle out of the playful bickering about quotes and scifi knowledge.

I'm not sure what the point of returning those people back to Destiny to say goodbye is. It's not they were that close to everybody there and why would aliens care about such things anyway. Also, why fix the shuttle to such perfection? What does it mean for TJ's baby?

Slow episode, but good. And after the intensity of the last one, I understand the change of pace.

Not a lot gets done this episode, but it's obviously a setup episode to deepen the mystery with the god-aliens, and expand on the crew's fears of Chloe and what's going to happen to her. And why the aliens did things to her, but not to Rush.
 
Slow episode, but good. And after the intensity of the last one, I understand the change of pace.

Not a lot gets done this episode, but it's obviously a setup episode to deepen the mystery with the god-aliens, and expand on the crew's fears of Chloe and what's going to happen to her. And why the aliens did things to her, but not to Rush.

because as a character, she'd have been useless, or redundant.

I really liked the last episode. I'm all for slow, as long as it is good. As long as we don't go back to earth, I'm generally happy with the episodes.
 
I just wonder now....where's the baby?
 
Were we ever introduced to any alien races that are capable of doing what the aliens in this episode did?

Seems pretty godly. First they bring these people back to life sans souls, fix up the ship to perfection and somehow teleport the ship to the Destiny while they were in different galaxies and traveling at FTL speed.
 
Were we ever introduced to any alien races that are capable of doing what the aliens in this episode did?

Seems pretty godly. First they bring these people back to life sans souls, fix up the ship to perfection and somehow teleport the ship to the Destiny while they were in different galaxies and traveling at FTL speed.

It's the FURLINGS!!!


Sorry, someone had to say it. :p
 
Some good news on the ratings front. At one point this season, SGU was below 1 million views. The last three episodes have been on the good side of that number. And while last week's Malice was a hair off of The Greater Good's numbers, yesterday's episode was up 14% with 1.17 million viewers. It also bumped up a tenth in the 18-49 demo.

Hopefully next week's midseason finale can pick it up even more. But with Dancing with the Stars gone, No Ordinary Family will be moving against SGU.
 
Were we ever introduced to any alien races that are capable of doing what the aliens in this episode did?

Seems pretty godly. First they bring these people back to life sans souls, fix up the ship to perfection and somehow teleport the ship to the Destiny while they were in different galaxies and traveling at FTL speed.

Anyone think there's gonna be a huge correlation to the God-Aliens' planet + this episode's crew 'coming back' + the transmission from beginning of existence?
I just keep thinking that the Ancients built Stargates (right?) then ascended, and are essentially God-like in terms of being omniscient (but choose not to get involved)... so what if this transmission was/is what caused the first ever ascension in the Ancients? Or has that already been explored?

I mean, it just seems too coincidental.
Transmission from before existence implying an intelligent hand in the creation of the universe.
God-Aliens that can build planets and bring people back to life without a soul.
Anyone see where they might go with this...?
 
It might not be a transmission from before all of existence, just before this one.

I'm wondering if the writers are going with the multiple Big Bang route. Basically, every Big Bang is followed by a Big Crunch, then another Big Bang. Some intelligence or species (maybe ascended) from the prior universe sent this message into our universe. Maybe they were ensuring that our universe evolved like theirs did. Or maybe they were just trying to say hi.
 
It might not be a transmission from before all of existence, just before this one.

I'm wondering if the writers are going with the multiple Big Bang route. Basically, every Big Bang is followed by a Big Crunch, then another Big Bang. Some intelligence or species (maybe ascended) from the prior universe sent this message into our universe. Maybe they were ensuring that our universe evolved like theirs did. Or maybe they were just trying to say hi.

Maybe the message in the background is a time capsule of all of the knowledge that the beings who existed in the past universe left for the people in this universe. Maybe the aliens who built the planet and brought those people back to Destiny discovered how to interpret it. Just a thought.
 
Sort of like the anti-Asgard. :p

It might very well be something like that. I could see that being Rush's argument to young and the IOC.


Or, seeing as how he survived the Big Bang, it could signal the coming of Galactus. :)
 
Stargate Universe is a Five Year Story

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2010/11/mallozzi-stargate-universe-is-a-5-year-story/

The producers of Stargate Universe hope that the show will live on for five full seasons, according to executive producer Joseph Mallozzi. He told fans at his blog that the writers have five years’ worth of story, building up to the final pay-off and conclusion of SGU.

“There are a number of arcs and elements that will figure into the ultimate finale we have planned,” Mallozzi said. “Ideally, we’d get five years to tell the entire story in satisfactory fashion but, if it came down to it, we could pay it off over the course of a single season.”

It would be great if SG:U can make it five seasons. Five's been a magical number for Stargate series

Stargate SG-1

Showtime 1-5
Scifi-6-10

Atlantis- 1-5
 
That last episode was great. Hope the newest one is just as good.
Though I still firmly believe that Stargate Atlantis was the best in the franchise.
 
i'm sticking with the original SG-1 as the best series tbh...
 
i'm sticking with the original SG-1 as the best series tbh...

Same here, SGA never lived up to its potential, for me anyway, I already enjoy SGU more than I did SGA.
 
Same here, SGA never lived up to its potential, for me anyway, I already enjoy SGU more than I did SGA.

don't get me wrong, Atlantis is awesome.... as is Universe.... but we'd never have gotten either of them if it wasn't for SG-1...
 
I love the characters more than the other two series. I only like a couple characters in SGU. The others seem a bit bland.
 
SG-1 is definitely the best series imo though I also really liked Atlantis. Universe so far has been a bit disappointing, the action has been sub-par and the characters for the most part have just been uninteresting and sometimes down right unlikeable. Fortunately for Universe it seems to be improving as the latest episode finally delivered something interesting.
 
i do hope...

that Telford's seeder ship survives...

Wonder what Chloe did?
 
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