Guardians of the Galaxy Starlord's Pops

[Brian Braddock]

Skimming through a page of posts I'd have to highlight that its has been mentioned before on here that the Mar-vell as Quill's dad thing doesnt make sense as Quill would be easily identified as being half-Kree if that was the case.

 

[cph9fa]

Not sure if this has been seen. Now there's speculation Quill's father may somehow show up before GotG2.

[Gunn] was asked to clarify if Star-Lord’s father would be in Guardians Of The Galaxy 2? Gunn replied, “He’ll… be showing up pretty soon”.

On another note, apparently in Nicole Perlman's draft of the script, Peter's father was J'Son, and there is even Spartax concept art floating around. So this is something that Gunn specifically changed for his version of the script.

Finally, I have to admit, the Starhawk theory is starting to grow on me. Mainly because of Gunn's apparent lack of interest in using Thanos in GotG2.

 

[Nokio]

None us know what's really going to happen. I would hate if Quill turns out to be Thanos's son. That's so Star Wars. Marvel should just leave his father's identity as it is in the comics and not Gunn's version. But then again Marvel can always retcon it in the comics. The good thing about making a change to who his father is is that Starlord isn't a strong character with a rich and established history so I don't think it would bother the comic fans at all. Of course their will be some who gripe but i can't imagine why. Starlord just isn't on par with the likes of Superman, Thor, Cap and so forth. He will be now after the movie but we'll have to see if the success of the movie translate into strong comic sales and increased popularity.

 

[Nokio]

Not sure if this has been seen. Now there's speculation Quill's father may somehow show up before GotG2.
On another note, apparently in Nicole Perlman's draft of the script, Peter's father was J'Son, and there is even Spartax concept art floating around. So this is something that Gunn specifically changed for his version of the script.

Finally, I have to admit, the Starhawk theory is starting to grow on me. Mainly because of Gunn's apparent lack of interest in using Thanos in GotG2.

Starhawk??? He's not known by anyone outside of comics. It would seem to me that they are going to go for a big character to be his father. either someone known like Thanos(hope not) or another big name that hasn't shown up yet. Sorry but Starhawk just isn't popular. I've heard of the character but I'm not sure of his origins or his actual power. I do remember reading issues where Starhawk was a woman and her power came from the Hawkgod cosmic entity.
I assume they are connected, I just don't feel like looking him up but I will get around to it.

 

[Lilbaz]

None us know what's really going to happen. I would hate if Quill turns out to be Thanos's son. That's so Star Wars. Marvel should just leave his father's identity as it is in the comics and not Gunn's version. But then again Marvel can always retcon it in the comics. The good thing about making a change to who his father is is that Starlord isn't a strong character with a rich and established history so I don't think it would bother the comic fans at all. Of course their will be some who gripe but i can't imagine why. Starlord just isn't on par with the likes of Superman, Thor, Cap and so forth. He will be now after the movie but we'll have to see if the success of the movie translate into strong comic sales and increased popularity.

Can just imagine it.
- I am your father, you know it is true. Did you never wonder why your penis is purple?
- I just thought I played with it too much.

 

[Super Jim]

Finally, I have to admit, the Starhawk theory is starting to grow on me. Mainly because of Gunn's apparent lack of interest in using Thanos in GotG2.

All this really means is that Thanos won't be the main villain in GotG2. I don't think any of us thought he would be. He's likely who all of this is building up to and is being saved for Avengers 3.

That means that we need to find another, what, three stones between now and then?

Likely, GotG2 will focus on one more Infinity Stone (Terregan Mist?) and will focus on Starlord's pops. If the two were tied together all the better.

For them to do Starhawk they would likely need to rewrite the character, a lot. The whole Hawk God and dual (male/female) characters occupying the same physical space would likely not work in the movies. His lineage of Quasar and Kismet would likely have to be rewritten, and even his being from the future would need to be reconn'd. In fact, for Starhawk to work, all he could really be is Starhawk in look, powers (to a degree) and name; everything else would have to be different. And if that is the case then why choose Starhawk?

Although Starhawk is a cool character, it just seems there are many other choices that would tie into the bigger picture much better!

 

[cph9fa]

For them to do Starhawk they would likely need to rewrite the character, a lot. The whole Hawk God and dual (male/female) characters occupying the same physical space would likely not work in the movies. His lineage of Quasar and Kismet would likely have to be rewritten, and even his being from the future would need to be reconn'd. In fact, for Starhawk to work, all he could really be is Starhawk in look, powers (to a degree) and name; everything else would have to be different. And if that is the case then why choose Starhawk?

Although Starhawk is a cool character, it just seems there are many other choices that would tie into the bigger picture much better!

To the later point first: many of the other choices (Mar-Vell, Quasar, Nova) are human or Kree, and wouldn't necessarily go unrecognized by the Xandarian scans. But I do still agree that an Eternal (probably Starfox) seems the most likely choice. I'm just not dismissing Starhawk quite as easily as I did before (I still don't think its the best choice). I know almost nothing about the character, but the Marvel wiki does say at one point he's composed of light.

To the first point, I believe Yondu was also seriously different from his comic character, so it's not like they can't change things. For all we know, (WILD SPECULATION ALERT) perhaps Yondu and Starhawk really are refugees from a dystopian future, and they got sent back to the present using the Time Gem, to prevent the destruction of the universe that occurs when Thanos gets all the gems. But they went back too early, and ended up parting ways. Yondu considers Starhawk a jerk, so he decides to abandon the mission, and falls in with the Ravagers instead. But he's proud at the end of GotG, when he realizes that Starlord didn't hand over an infinity gem to the Ravagers. Yeah, I know, its crazy... (after all, GotG2 is more likely to be about Warlock...)

But yeah, I still think it's probably Starfox.

 

[Super Jim]

To the later point first: many of the other choices (Mar-Vell, Quasar, Nova) are human or Kree, and wouldn't necessarily go unrecognized by the Xandarian scans.).

Right, but they could easily explain that away by saying that (whichever's) power source were not known to NOVA and affected Star Lord's pysiology.

Effectively, if it was Mar-Vel, even though he was nothing more than a Kree, the radiation that he was exposed to, that allows him to absorb solar energy; or the Nega-Bands themselves, are unknown to NOVA.

If it was Quasar, even though he is nothing more than a human, the Quantum-Bands that give him his Quantum Energy powers are unknown to NOVA.

If it was Nova, even though he is nothing more than a human, it's the force that gives him his powers that are unknown. Of course, in the comics, it's actually the NOVA Force, so that would likely be known to the NOVA Corps, but they could make it where Nova got his powers from something else, if they wanted. I do agree that Nova is less likely than many of the other options. I actually included Nova only because of his connections to the NOVA Corps, and because I would love to see things develop to the point where we have the New Warriors.

Just imagine this...

In GOTG2, Xandar is attacked and Nova Prime gives a mission to Rhomann Dey to take something and protect it. He takes off in a NOVA Corps ship and commands the crew to go. They become attacked by say... Nebula. Damaged and about to be destroyed, they are able to go into hyper space and end up near Terra.

If this story plays into the full movie, then they follow him down to Earth. If not then it could be an after credit scene. Let's go with the first one as I would love to see Nova involved in the storyline.

With the NOVA ship and crew destroyed, with the exception of Dey (maybe he's protected by the energy source of what he is protecting), he crashes to Earth. He lands in Hempstead, Long Island and is found by a kid named Rich. Rich is given/exposed to the energy of the item that Dey had. Maybe Dey dies (which would be too bad as I liked him in GOTG).

Richard Ryder becomes Nova and dons the suit given to him by Dey (or the energy source gives him the suit). Anyway, we now have Nova. Maybe Nebula comes after the power and/or something calls him to Xandar. He gets caught up in the whole battle against Nebula or whatever bad dude the Guardians will be up against in #2. At the end he wants to go home and be a kid. He has to give up his powers to the NOVA Corps and he's sent home.

Post Credits scene:

Locaton: Earth. Hempstead, Long Island. An alley, outside of the kitchen entrance of a small diner.

Time: Late evening. Closing time. The alley is dark.

Richard Ryder opens the door carrying a bag of trash. He locks the door and turns toward the dumpster.

Suddenly a metal grapnel line comes out of nowhere and wraps around his feet. He is taken from his feet, the trash bag falling to the ground as he finds himself being pulled upward.

At the top of the five floor building Nova comes face to face with his attacker, a main dressed in some sort of black colored battle suit, wearing a black helmet with red accents.

As the man grabs Richard by the neck, hoisting him upright, the grapling line retracts into the assailant's guantlets. The black-armored clad figure continues to hold Ryder over the edge of the building, lifting him so they are face to face.

"So you're the Human Rocket, huh?" states the dark figure, in a deep, vibrato voice.

He suddenly opens his hand and Richard Ryder finds himself falling.

The camera follows him as he falls, focusing on his look of terror. Suddenly Richard Ryder's eyes start to emanate a blue energy and Richard smiles.

Fade to black.

Actually, the New Warriors could make a pretty good tv show, if done right.

To the later point first: many of the other choices (Mar-Vell, Quasar, Nova) are human or Kree, and wouldn't necessarily go unrecognized by the Xandarian scans.
To the first point, I believe Yondu was also seriously different from his comic character, so it's not like they can't change things. For all we know, (WILD SPECULATION ALERT) perhaps Yondu and Starhawk really are refugees from a dystopian future, and they got sent back to the present using the Time Gem, to prevent the destruction of the universe that occurs when Thanos gets all the gems. But they went back too early, and ended up parting ways. Yondu considers Starhawk a jerk, so he decides to abandon the mission, and falls in with the Ravagers instead. But he's proud at the end of GotG, when he realizes that Starlord didn't hand over an infinity gem to the Ravagers. Yeah, I know, its crazy... (after all, GotG2 is more likely to be about Warlock...)
But yeah, I still think it's probably Starfox.

Actually, I kind of like this idea of yours. By going with a future storyline like this, where both Starhawk and Yondu originated, you could include other future characters like:

Vance Astro (could lead to Marvelboy as a member of the New Warriors)
Captain Charlie 27
Martinex T'Naga
Niki

 

[Lilbaz]

I voted Inhuman. They could then introduce them in GotG 2. Also Starlord could be related to Sky. Which would tie in AoS.

Although would make the Inhumans out to be the worst parents in the galaxy.

 

[supraman]

I didn't read all the other pages but what about Balder? Isn't he the god of light? Starlord half asgardian?

 

[Jochimus]

Lastly, think about the comment that his mother made about how Peter looks just like his father. If you look at it like I have there is only one that matches well enough, especially based on the hair color they gave Star Lord:

So all I can say, based on all of the evidence, is Kevin Bacon for Starfox please!!!!!

This would be both hilarious AND awesome.

 

[BarryAllen]

All this really means is that Thanos won't be the main villain in GotG2. I don't think any of us thought he would be. He's likely who all of this is building up to and is being saved for Avengers 3.

That means that we need to find another, what, three stones between now and then?

Likely, GotG2 will focus on one more Infinity Stone (Terregan Mist?) and will focus on Starlord's pops. If the two were tied together all the better.

For them to do Starhawk they would likely need to rewrite the character, a lot. The whole Hawk God and dual (male/female) characters occupying the same physical space would likely not work in the movies. His lineage of Quasar and Kismet would likely have to be rewritten, and even his being from the future would need to be reconn'd. In fact, for Starhawk to work, all he could really be is Starhawk in look, powers (to a degree) and name; everything else would have to be different. And if that is the case then why choose Starhawk?

Although Starhawk is a cool character, it just seems there are many other choices that would tie into the bigger picture much better!

Like how they re-wrote Yondu's character to fit the narrative of the movie? Marvel isn't above doing that characters (see Jasper Sitwell, Alexander Pierce, etc). Starhawk would be an awesome choice for Peter Quill's father.

 

[Super Jim]

No argument that they could make major changes of any character, similar to what they did for the ones you mention. At the same time I think it fair to say that Jasper Sitwell was not a primary character by any means. Nor was Alexander Pierce.

Your point about Yondu has some merit though...

IMO they did this in order to create a character (that fit the story) specifically for Michael Rooker. I think it's well known that Gunn likes Rooker (as do I), which is likely why I (and many others) are ok with this deviation from canon.

In the comics Yondu had the following background/abilities:

- He's from the future.
And in the movies, maybe he is. At this point we don't know.

- He was one of the original members of the Guardians (formed in the future to fight the Badoon).
Ok, this is not likely.

- He has a massive fin on his head that looked like a mohawk.
Yup, no fin but the mohawk is there. Likely easier and better for the movie.

- Could control his arrows through whistles.
In the movie it appears to only be one arrow, but the ability is there.

- His people worshipped a deity names Anthos.
Was this a mix-up of the name Thanos?

Truth be told, I don't think the changes to Yondu hurt the movie in any way.

So I get it... you really like Starhawk. Fine...

But Starhawk's main thing is the Hawk God and the dual characters (male/female) occupying the same space concepts. This just won't work in the movieverse. So, like I stated before, if they want Starhawk then they would need to change his character so much he would only be Starhawk in name.

You think Starhawk would be an "awesome choice for Peter Quill's father". Better than say Star Fox?

Really?

So you're saying it would be better for the general audience if some obscure character that the GA doesn't know (Starhawk), that only pertains to the stories as the offspring of Quasar and Kismet (which would have to be retconn'd), and whose interesting qualities (Hawk God and two people occupying one space - which again, would likely need to be retconn'd), to be Peter's father than Star Fox, Thanos' Brother and fellow Titan?

 

[SlamAdams]

So you're saying it would be better for the general audience if some obscure character that the GA doesn't know (Starhawk), that only pertains to the stories as the offspring of Quasar and Kismet (which would have to be retconn'd), and whose interesting qualities (Hawk God and two people occupying one space - which again, would likely need to be retconn'd), to be Peter's father than Star Fox, Thanos' Brother and fellow Titan?

I don't think either would be "better" for the general audience. Reading back Starfox seems to be on quite the pedestal.

 

[Super Jim]

I'm just saying that for the general audience a story where Peter Quill turns out to be the son of the Mad Titan's brother makes a lot of sense. It's something that the GA can understand and it will connect Starlord to Thanos (Nephew to Uncle). In other words, there is a connection between Star Fox and Thanos that would make a lot of sense for this story, while there is no connection between a character like Starhawk.

 

[SlamAdams]

I don't think the general audiences care. One cosmic entity would make just as much sense as another

 

[Super Jim]

The brother of Thanos makes much more sense for the story than some non-related cosmic entity.

Guess we can just agree to disagree.

 

[SlamAdams]

Because he connects to 2 characters instead of just 1? That's convenient, but hardly proof

 

[Super Jim]

^ Because it would connect the primary protagonist to the primary antagonist.

This is comic book stories we're talking about, of course it's "convenient"!

 

[SlamAdams]

^ Because it would connect the primary protagonist to the primary antagonist.

This is comic book stories we're talking about, of course it's "convenient"!

I didn't mean it begrudgingly. I meant it agreeably like "yea, that would keep things nice and streamlined,' I just still don't think it carries that big of a benefit as opposed to other options. Or that other options are immediately nonsensical because Starfox happens to be Thanos' brother.

 

[BarryAllen]

Someone should move this thread to the GotG 2 forum section.

And I think Starhawk will be Peter's dad. He fits almost all the descriptions, Gunn likes him and it would be a cool character to see on screen.

 

[Lilbaz]

I like the Star Fox idea. Would provide the audience with a chance to learn more about Thanos. Would introduce the Eternals/Titans/Deviants/their difference to the greek gods and expand on the role of the Celestials and their interferance with earths history.
It also brings a lot of characters for the MCU to play with.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

J'Son Eros, codename Starfox. Emperor of whats left of the Spartoi Empire

They need to just combine the backstories. Neither is so crucial to the story that it can't be consolidated. Still, I love the idea of Starfox as Peter's dad.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

The brother of Thanos makes much more sense for the story than some non-related cosmic entity.

Guess we can just agree to disagree.

I agree I think Star-Fox is a lock and it makes Star-Lord and Gamora's relationship complicated. Also explains why Star-Lord is so good with the ladies. Also why his mom was so smitten even on her death bed.

 

[tbg]

Casting my vote not for Star Fox, but rather his grandfather, Kronos. He's a being of energy, not physical. Would fit the power description, and would bring the Eternals and Thanos into the mix. Star Fox is not ruled out though as well.